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agdlp Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:46 PM
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Hillary is the Democrat to Beat McCain by Mark Penn
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 07:51 PM by agdlp
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/blog/

If John McCain becomes the Republican nominee, Hillary is the Democrat who can beat him -- because she has the strength and experience a president needs to get America on the right course and to defend it against future threats. She is the hands-on leader that America needs as we slip into a worsening economic crisis. Her ability to be both a strong commander-in-chief and steward of the economy are what make her the favorite against Sen. McCain.

Sen. Obama has been telling voters that he is the one to beat Sen. McCain because he gave a speech against the war in 2002 and because he is currently attracting independent voters. But those arguments don't hold up to current polling, to history or to what is likely to happen in a general election.

First, there is no support to Sen. Obama's assertion that his 2002 speech makes him a stronger choice in a general election. Recent history shows that voters look to who they believe can end a war and protect us against future wars. If Hillary had been president she would not have started the war. In fact, Hillary is backed by prominent anti-war leaders because they believe she is uniquely able to end the war responsibly.

Based on recent polls, there is nothing to support Sen. Obama's arguments about his prospective performance against Sen. McCain - both Sen. Obama and Hillary start off within the margin of error against Sen. McCain. Yesterday's Fox poll showed both in a statistical tie with Sen. McCain. And Hillary's negatives are fully factored in, whereas the same cannot be said of Sen. Obama because he is - by his own admission - not as well known.

Sen. Obama's support among independents comes from Democratic-leaning independents, voters who are likely to back the eventual Democratic nominee. He has no overall advantage in the polls against Sen. McCain. But such voters have very little information about Sen. Obama. And once the Republican machine begins to methodically attack him, he will lose independent support.

So in a head to head against Sen. McCain, Sen. Obama has no advantage with swing voters. The 2004 election was determined by two key groups - women concerned about security and Latinos - and against Sen. McCain those groups could again prove decisive. President Bush won 40 percent of the Latino vote in 2004 and Sen. McCain, unlike other Republicans, has been supportive of immigration reform. These are two groups that enthusiastically support Hillary.

As voters look to the future, they will be looking at who can put the country on the right path and who can defend it against future threats. While Hillary is seen as strong on defense and has served on the Armed Services Committee, Sen. Obama has limited experience on these national security issues that would again be front and center.

So if Sen. McCain is the nominee, Hillary is the one well-positioned to beat him. Already well vetted, she is ready to stand up to Sen. McCain on national security and put together a winning coalition of voters that will take back the White House
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:48 PM
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1. By Mark Penn ??? - Plus, LINK ??? - And, Whatever You're Smokin ???
:wtf:
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:49 PM
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15. Mark Penn ...
... meets http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2289714&mesg_id=2289714">hash house.

This little tidbit marks the beginning of the end of my support for his client.

- Dave
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:48 PM
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2. Whistling Past the Graveyard, Mark Penn?
Very foolish of him to point out and highlight his candidate's biggest weakness like that.

Hillary can't take McCain, and everybody knows it.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:52 AM
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11. Wonder how he's feeling today...
... knowing that the savvier, more experienced political types (who see right through him) will have waited for the last news cycle?

- Dave
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:48 PM
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3. Obama can beat McCain - by David Axelrod.
:rofl:
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:42 PM
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18. But *THAT* would be a "fairy tale," right?
:rofl:

- Dave
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:49 PM
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4. Mark, is that you? Are those sweat beads still glistening on your upper lip, sweetums??
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:10 PM
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19. Help
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:50 PM
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5. Hillary could go a long way towards putting me in her camp by firing that piece of shit. n/t
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:28 PM
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20. .
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:50 PM
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6. "By Mark Penn"
Oh, an unbiased source, I see.

:rofl:
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:39 PM
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10. Consider the source, indeed.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:51 PM
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7. Mark Penn is a completely trustworthy character, of course.
I'm serious, really.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:33 PM
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14. Unbelievable. Now they are resorting to Mark Penn for their cheerleading? Desperation.
:rofl:
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:32 PM
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22. yeah, a big corpor shilling for the The Hill. that's like...
Bela Lugosi doing a PSA for Vampire rights.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:52 PM
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8. Hey Mark, doesn't Haliburton have enough for you to do?
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:18 PM
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16. Blackwater n/t
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:20 PM
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9. Mark Penn: Turning a Win into a Draw
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&as_qdr=all&q=mark+penn+win+draw+site%3Adlc.org">Funny, how he's still viewed as loyal, in some quarters.

- Dave
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:53 AM
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12. Ann Coulter agrees
Hillary can out-republican McCain
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:31 PM
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13. Anorexic Annie cinched it for me.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:20 PM
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17. If both of them will follow the flow of jobs, forget them both.
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 07:20 PM by HypnoToad
If we are electing them to run America, then it's only right they work on American jobs as well as any others.

Or should our economy just be destroyed, as on the current path it's not going to matter in a small handful of years?

I'm going to see if my other thread got any responses; the one asking what any candidate will do about the jobs situation. We need America stable as much as we have a vested interest in improving the world, which we are obviously doing or else neither of them would be so popular; particularly Hillary.
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:31 PM
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21. Let's see who Mark Penn is.....
"Mark J. Penn is worldwide CEO of the public relations firm Burson-Marsteller and president of the polling firm Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates. <1> In September 2007, he released a book titled Microtrends: The Small Forces Behind Tomorrow's Big Changes, which examines and illuminates small trends sweeping the world.<2> He serves as Hillary Rodham Clinton's chief strategist for her 2008 presidential campaign.<3>"

source

So another big corporatist for Hillary, who also works on her campaign.

IMAGINE THAT!
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:33 PM
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23. You mean Mark Penn, the piece of shit who defends Blackwater?
You mean this guy?

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?bid=45&pid=250988

My colleague Ari Berman has done more than any journalist to shine some light on how pollster-strategist Mark Penn, head honcho at PR giant Burson-Marsteller, and perhaps the most important figure in Hillary Clinton's campaign, poses a real dilemma for the candidate. Penn heads a firm that has represented everyone from union busters to big tobacco, and more recently Blackwater.
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