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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:28 AM
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How will Obama enforce mandates on children?
:shrug:
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:34 AM
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1. What? Why are Obamatons avoiding this like the plague?
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Donkeykick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:39 AM
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2. Because all Obama is doing is...
making a mistake by placing a carrot out in front of a horse to make the horse go faster.

We don't need fancy talk, we need experience in the White House!:eyes:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:59 AM
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18. what president are we going to re- elect ?
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:40 AM
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3. six minutes and nobody waded in to answer a nonsense unintelligible question
"avoiding it like the plague"

gfy
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:42 AM
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4. If you don't understand the question, then you really shouldn't post on a political forum
I think that posters are generally expected to understand the basic platform of the candidates.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:43 AM
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8. Maybe you should read
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:46 AM
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10. How ironic. "After 17 debates, Clinton still has not revealed how she would enforce this mandate"
Yet it doesn't go on to explain how Obama would enforce HIS mandate on children.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:31 AM
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20. see my post on "Issues"
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:39 AM
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22. Hardly. I answered below. n/t
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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:43 AM
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6. Cause they're too busy chanting Obama RULZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!
Cause they don't care about the finer points of the respective healthcare plans?

Cause they're going to live forever, & therefore why should they pay for anyone else's healthcare?

Cause all us old fossils should just slink away & die, and quit pissing in their punchbowl?

Cause--did I mention?-- OBAMA RULZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:43 AM
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5. from Obama's Policy papers
Q. How will the mandate that children be covered affect me?
A. When children are born, their parents will be assisted in signing them up for
affordable, high quality coverage, either through their own employer-sponsored insurance
plans, through Medicaid or SCHIP, or through options established by the Obama plan.
We will continue to make sure that children are covered, which may include verification
when parents sign them up for daycare or school. Obama’s plan will help parents make
sure their children get the care they need, at the time they need it.


FAQ's
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/Obama08_HealthcareFAQ.pdf

The entire plan
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/HealthCareFullPlan.pdf
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:44 AM
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9. The question is how will he /enforce/ the mandates
In other words, if a parent refuses to get his or her child health insurance, what will Obama do then? I ask this, because Obama supporters are angry about the fact that Clinton will garnish wages to enforce her mandate, yet they don't seem to know their own candidate will do to enforce his mandate on children.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:46 AM
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11. verification when they sign up for school
continue to make sure that children are covered, which may include verification
when parents sign them up for daycare or school.

If they are not covered, then they will be enrolled in a plan
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:51 AM
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13. We all know that when you say "then they will be enrolled in a plan"...
you don't mean that they will suddenly be given health insurance free of charge. Obviously it will be the job of the parent to enrol them in a plan. So what happens if a parent refuses? Will they go to prison? Will they pay a fine? What will happen?

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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:53 AM
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14. Once again I quote his papers
if they are not enrolled "parents will be assisted in signing them up for
affordable, high quality coverage, either through their own employer-sponsored insurance
plans, through Medicaid or SCHIP"

There will be no prison, or a fine, but they will be assisted in getting the child into a plan.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:58 AM
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17. When it comes down it, there are going to be people who CAN'T get healthcare for their children
And then it's going to come time for someone to enforce that mandate. Too bad Obama doesn't explain how that /mandate/ will be enforced.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:55 AM
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15. Seems to me that there will be different levels of coverage based on income.
And some people won't be able to afford insurance.

Shouldn't there be insurance for the parents too? How are the parents going to be able to care for their children if they are sick?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:43 AM
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7. How would any of them?
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 09:44 AM by rucky
:shrug:

I do appreciate the substanitive question, BTW.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:47 AM
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12. Clinton has said that she will take the money out of peoples' wages
I can't imagine Obama doing anything different than that, so I'm kinda confused about his supporters being angry at Clinton's plan to enforce her mandate.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:56 AM
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16. Yep.. when it comes to health insurance they both have it wrong.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:30 AM
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19. Don't like either plan
But Obama is talking out of two sides of his mouth for sure. In the debate this week he was asked about the alleged lack of mandated purchase in his plan. Wouldn't people just wait until they need something to sign up? Obama's answer was that it was not mandatory, but everyone would voluntarily sign up. Then he characterized those who don't sign up until they have pressing need as 'gaming the system' and said they might be fined or forced to pay back premiums. So he is saying it is voluntary, but if you don't volunteer you are 'gaming the system' and will be punished. That is not voluntary, that is in fact a mandate. Just a mandate with a delay feature. Fines, back premiums and 'gaming the system' for those who don't 'volunteer'? Yet it is voluntary? Voluntray like income tax, which one can also pay late with fines and such.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:35 AM
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21. An expansion of SCHIP.
It will start when the child is born; free if necessary according to income. It can be done like vaccinations, where children will not be permitted into daycare or public schools without proving coverage.

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