Zogby needs to be investigated by the Federal Elections Commission

[ruggerson]

James Zogby is a superdelegate with Obama's campaign and the family polling outfit puts out a full week's worth of crooked polls designed to create an impression of fake momentum that Sludge then splashes on his anti-Hillary website.

Polls that turn out to be 25-30% off!!!

Something is very, very rotten here.

http://mydd.com/story/2008/2/5/114235/8328

[ursi]

1. polling is guessing, how is that an FEC violation?

and people are not always 100% truthful in polls or they change their minds! Imagine that! HAHA!

[ruggerson]

2. Because it was obviously manipulated

pollsters make 3, 5, even 10 point mistakes.

But 25 - 30??

[Hoof Hearted]

11. Polling is guessing? How many years of education do you need for that?

Really?

[ruggerson]

16. ...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. You Can Also Bet On The Results At Intrade

He moved the numbers by about thirty points or dollars with his poll...

[ruggerson]

5. that's a good point

I wonder if anyone in his family bought "puts" on Obama after the poll came out.

[depakid]

4. Not that much worse than most of the others

Almost ALL of the American polls (particualty the cheap media polls) have agendas. The polling agencies know what their buyers want to hear- and as often as not, they're happy to five it to them.

The key point to remember is that in America, these sorts of polls are meant to INFLUENCE public opinion and not to objectively reflect it.

Not that DU'ers and others won't keep jumping to their tune... been around too long to think that'll ever change.

[bridgit]

6. Nobody ever, eh-ver, EH_VERRR listens to me and I'm beginning to find some solace in that...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4400404&mesg_id=4401071

[ruggerson]

8. You called it

but that still doesn't account for a 30 point swing

[bridgit]

9. A fair point though at 1st & goal all bets are off...

;)

[Quixote1818]

7. If this were the General election and Bush had won then we would be saying

Bush should be investigated. Why are things now turned around?

[incapsulated]

10. I agree, it's pretty outrageous. n/t

[RoyGBiv]

12. Interesting ...

I didn't know he was a superdelegate. I was all ready to poo-poo this based on the notion that pollsters don't have any direct link to the mechanism of the election itself until I read that part of it.

There's at least enough there to ask questions.

I wonder though, in all seriousness, whether any pollster can really be blamed for coming up with bizarre results this particular election cycle. I've not seen this kind of rapid shifting before in my memory, and with Edwards's exit, things shifted in ways no one could really predict. As a former Edwards supporter myself who was inclined to Hillary, I still hadn't fully made up my mind until a couple days ago. I'd be willing to bet a significant number of people didn't make up their minds until they made their mark.

[ruggerson]

14. I agree it's fluid

but not 30 points worth. And with Sludge trumpeting each successive poll: the first poll which shows Obama within striking distance, then the next day, Obama's ahead by 2, then the next day ahead by 6 and then TODAY the big headline is SHOCK POLL: Obama up by 13 in CA.

All fed to him by an Obama superdelegate.

[RoyGBiv]

15. Yeah, that's more than odd ...

Being just dead wrong I might overlook. (Zogby's polling methods are, at best, controversial.) But that kind of margin combined with him being a superdelegate looks ... well, bad.

[Justice Is Comin]

13. Zobgy got his lunch handed to him

in the presidential 04 too. He was on some talk show saying how sure he was that Kerry was the new president.

Even including the margin of error and flipped votes, he was still off.