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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:08 PM
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EMAIL exchange between Clinton Campaign and David Shuster!!! Have a read:
If you want to know why Shuster was suspended, baby, this is it.

The title of this post says it all: "The Mess at MSNBC."

Politico.com has put up the entire email exchange between the Clinton campaign and David Shuster. It's also been in the comments here, as well as being passed around via email. One can hardly find a more ignorant move from Shuster than this. Putting your spin into text. Not only did he defend the indefensible, but digging in your heels on something like this is just plain stupid. As I said originally, he's built up a lot of reserve for his reporting, especially on Libby and other matters, but it's clear he doesn't understand the double standard towards Chelsea Clinton, especially when compared to the kids of the other candidates. Romney's sons all campaigned for their dad, but in the middle of a war he supports, has one reporter asked them why they haven't served their country? Are they being "pimped out?" If Shuster had made this comment about Obama's kids, the furor we're witnessing right now would pale in comparison to the shouts for Shuster's head. As a radio person and on air commentator, I'm not calling for that at all. If you talk for hours extemporaneously, you're always one sentence away from saying something stupid. But what made matters worse for Shuster was his disgraceful non-apology on "Morning Joe."

The truth about Shuster is that he never intended to apologize; didn't want to; was made to. The exchange below reveals it. It's also why he ended up getting suspended. Imagine this attitude being displayed while his bosses were getting besieged by phone calls, emails, as well as irate MS/NBC female employees. Shuster's cluelessness is one thing, his unprofessionalism is another. But in this day and age putting your idiocy in text form is just dumb. It's also arrogant and gets to the heart of the problem. MSNBC has obviously sent a message, whether through Chris Matthews or their continual genuflection to all things Obama, that all things Clinton are fair game. It's important that everyone see the evidence. Mess at MSNBC, indeed.

Original Message-----

From: Philippe Reines
To: David Shuster
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 7:14 p.m.

David - how hard is it for someone, anyone, in the vast MS/NBC universe to contact any one of us at the campaign for comment about Chelsea before going on air and saying that she is being "pimped out" ? It's absurdly offensive. And what the hell does that even mean?

I just don't get MSNBC - does GE not allow you to make toll calls? What's the problem.

Philippe Reines
Press Secretary
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton

-----Original Message-----
From: David Shuster
To: Philippe Reines
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 8:51 p.m.

Nice to hear from you, philippe.

It is a fact that chelsea has made calls to superdelegates, as your campaign colleagues have acknowledged. It is also a fact that the campaign has reacted quite harshly to any media who have sought to interview chelsea. That was the point. By slamming any reporter who seeks to chat with chelsea while simultaneously having chelsea do campaign tasks such as trying to convince super delegates to support her mom, that's the reference.

Chelsea is polite and does a fine job of saying "I don't want to talk.". But for campaign staff to then jump down the throat of a reporter who seeks to talk to chelsea...that's an issue.

--------------------------
Sent using BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Philippe Reines
To: David Shuster
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 9:00 p.m.

Since you guys asked for the transcript - here specifically is what David said on air:

SHUSTER: "But doesn't it seem like she's being--but doesn't it seem as if Chelsea is sort of being pimped out in some weird sort of way?"

I have a hunch that such offensive and unacceptable language was never used on MSNBC's air about Karenna Gore, the Bush twins, Venessa & Alex Kerry, Kate Edwards, the Romney sons - or any other adult offspring who chose to campaign on behalf of a parent.

-----Original Message-----
From: Philippe Reines
To: David Shuster
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 9:16: p.m.

David - I want to make sure I'm crystal clear here - you're saying that because she doesn't grant interviews and makes calls on behalf of her mother, you are right to say that she is being pimped out?

I don't need to read a the whole transcript for context, you were way out of line. Nobody's jumping down your throat about asking for an interview or talking about calls she made. And you know it.

There is simply no excuse for being so offensive.

By actually rationalizing your behavior rather than accepting responsibility and apologizing, you become the poster child for everything wrong with tv journalism, and it's a shame your NBC colleagues have to be associated with this (expletive).

-----Original Message-----
From: David Shuster
To: Philippe Reines
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 9:29 p.m.

No. That's not what I'm saying. And if you bothered to look at the transcript and saw all of the glowing things I said about chelsea and the way she was raised, you would know that.

The issue is not her making calls. As + said on the air, I have no problems with that what so ever. The issue is not her refusing interviews. The issue is that the campaign has come down hard on reporters who merely sought to ask chelsea questions. You can't have it both ways. Reporters have long respected the clintons desire that we avoid chelsea and let her have her space. But to get angry at reporters seeking to talk to her now is patently unfair. And you know that.

--------------------------
Sent using BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Philippe Reines
To: David Shuster
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 9:49 p.m.

I think we've each said what we have to say on this matter. Based on this email exchange, we're assuming two things:

1) You are not disputing that you said on air: "But doesn't it seem like she's being--but doesn't it seem as if Chelsea is sort of being pimped out in some weird sort of way?"

2) You have no intention of apologizing for the above.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/david-shusters-emails_b_85837.html
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IrishBloodEngHeart Donating Member (815 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:11 PM
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1. I think Schuster makes valid points re: the Chelsea double standard
She is a 20 something year old adult who campaigns for her mom, calls superdelegates, yet isn't allowed to be interviewed? WTF is that about?
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:17 PM
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6. maybe the point is valid
I don't know. Are journalists entitled to interviews with children of candidates who call superdelegates?

But that point, valid or not, has nothing to do with saying they're pimping Chelsea out.
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IrishBloodEngHeart Donating Member (815 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #6
11. She is not a child, she is an adult who campaigns for Senator Clinton
She campaigns on her behalf, so I think it is fair that journalists should be able to talk to her

However, that doesn't justify using the word pimp. I do think the whole thing is being overblown at this point.
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #11
33. Not only are adults "pimped" but children have been know to be pimped
By parents for a dollar or political advantage.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #11
38. She is the child of a candidate, and jounalists are not "entitled" to talk with anyone.
Big freakin' heads they have.

Schuster could have gotten by with little more than a minor scratch on this one but instead he just decided he's rather run straight into the buzz saw.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #11
43. SHE doesn't WANT TO talk to them. Why is that so hard to understand?
Just because Shuster thinks he should be able to talk to her, doesn't mean he can if she doesn't want to!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #11
50. you got it--the pimp word is the breaker!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #11
63. Do you know anything about the strong Mother-Daughter bond that exitst between these two?
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #6
81. so whats bill doing to all the super delegates hes
"convincing" to vote for his wife? mind you these are people that he helped in the past, endorsed, nominated, maybe contributed to their campaigns.

may not be pimping but they are calling in all favors to get as many super delegates as possible.
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #81
83. LOL! It's called politics. Welcome to the real world.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #83
84. then don't get offended for someone calling the kettle black.
bad use of wordage, but what they are doing is the equivelent of "pimping her out" same as bill
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #84
87. Barack is pimping out Michelle.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #87
88. and you dont see me getting upset at your description
of barracks campaign style do you?
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #88
91. I don't hear the fair and balanced MSM saying it, either.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #83
89. It's called undue influence. Especially when Bill does it.
It means he is using his influence and arm-twisting, calling favors, etc. to be sure that he has more impact than the citizen voters. And if that doesn't work, then they make their DAUGHTER do it. Disgusting. This whole superdelegate thing is a pile of crap.

Imagine the outrage if Malia or even Cate Edwards had been making calls to superdelegates saying, "Please vote for my daddy." Ugh. Why is it better if Chelsea gets to do it - and why should Chelsea have more influence than you or me?

You call it politics, I call it politics as usual - and unprogressive and undemocratic.

I have no horse in this race -- both horses reek to my nose.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #1
12. If she doesn't want to do interviews or answer questions then I see nothing wrong with it.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #1
17. Absolutely, a double standard.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #1
23. Poor little Schuster.
:nopity:

Hope your resume is in order. Jackass. Since he's "hip" now, maybe he can go report for E!
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #1
41. Yes but THE point of the outrage is
the term 'pimping out'.......You, a reporter or anyone else can ask the questions needing to be asked without throwing BLATENT sexist and emeaning insults at the person in question.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #1
54. How could you possibly suggest that "being pimped out" is in any way accurate --- !!! !!!!
Yeah -- say the press may feel there is a "double standard" ---
fine ---
don't think anyone would argue with that ---

BUT, there should be no defense for this vulgar and aggressive attack on Chelsea
and the Clintons.

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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #1
60. wait a minute. You are suggesting that because Schuster is pissed
off that he cannot get an interview, he is allowed to use his power to attack Clinton--just because he is pissed? With no relationship between the attack and the fact that he can't interview her?

That is unacceptable.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #1
92. What's that got to do with implying her parents are pimps?
I mean, really.

None of his justifications have anything remotely to do with what he said.

I wouldn't have objected in the slightest if he'd commented that though Chelsea has been working on her mother's campaign, she refuses to speak to reporters about it. No problem.

But the name calling? The nasty implication? Totally off-topic, totally unnecessary, totally unprofessional.

(And I'm an Obama supporter, BTW)
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:13 PM
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2. I guess they are going to milk this for all its worth and then some
Interesting strategy.

How does this help people find jobs or get their children a better education?

Just askin'
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #2
13. So, you're OK with Shuster saying that Obama's children
are being pimped out when Obama has cute picutures of them on campaign lit?

Of course not!

Using the term pimped out is inappropriate and should be grounds for firing IMO.

Just because you are anti-Hillary does not justify the language.

Not standing up for what's right when it's applied to Hillary's daughter will lessen our impact when object to the same kind of language against any Dem candidate.
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #13
31. YES, I'm ok with that
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #31
55. You should be ashamed of yourself!
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #31
96. and you are a fucking joke
jsut because you have no problem wallowing in the gutter does not mean the rest of us have to.

i'm sure if all this had come up about michelle, BEFORE it was applied to chelsea, you would have shit your pants in outrage.

but now, you're just fine with michelle being referred to as being whored out.

obama doesn't need your kind or support.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #13
34. Your outrage is noted
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #2
56. Maybe it would help us get some control over this vulgar and irrelevant "press" --- ????
Might that be in any way valuable to all of us --- ????


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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #2
93. Because the mainstream media pimps for people who
don't want to help find people jobs or a better education. The media needs to be called out on their distortions. Then we can get some people who do care elected.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:14 PM
Response to Original message
3. Wow. It looks like a DU exchange.
This perfectly displays why I think he should be FIRED.
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IrishBloodEngHeart Donating Member (815 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. what does he say in that email that you find offensive
especially offensive enough to be fired?
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. That he refuses to take responsibility for his vulgar comment -
and DOES NOT want to apologize.
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IrishBloodEngHeart Donating Member (815 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #7
16. read the thread,
Schuster is being criticized for not contacting the campaing before talking about Chelsea, he is not being criticized for the content of his comment.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #16
19. I have read it (3) times.
Shuster, and the rest of the frat boys on MSNBC need to be fired.
End. Of. Story.
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #16
85. You are comprehension-impaired. He is being criticized for the content of his comment.
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 09:02 PM by Yossariant
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #7
37. What is vulgar is for a Child or Adult to be pimped
For money or political advantage; he called it right "pimped."
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. No one is being "pimped" out. You are absolutely nasty - and going on my ignore
list.
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #39
46. Cool
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #37
86. So Barack is pimping out Michelle?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #4
18. He's just pissed off because the Clinton's STILL forbid the MSM to talk to Chelsea. If Chelsea
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 05:33 PM by in_cog_ni_to
wanted to talk to the press, I'm sure she would, but she must not WANT to. He has no right to pass judgment on that! Just because he wants to talk to her and thinks he should be able to talk to her, isn't good enough! SHE DOESN'T WANT TO TALK TO REPORTERS and that doesn't give him the right to insult her on National teevee.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #4
64. that, because he is upset that he did not get an interview--he attacks
Chelsea and her family. That is what is so offensive. Further, that the attack had nothing to do with his issue. He used his power to attack her because he did not get his way.

If that is not offensive, then we are in trouble in America.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:16 PM
Response to Original message
5. In other words, he wants the right to interrupt her while she's working.
He wants to break her stride. And then since she talked to him, that opens the door for all the other reporters to come and talk to her, otherwise she's being unfairly selective.

Then they'll want to know the content of the conversations, how much luck is she having, does she think her mom's campaign is going okay? Oh, and by the way, Chelsea, what did you think of your father's comments about Jesse Jackson?

If Shuster is so adamant about talking to Chelsea, let them grant her a press conference. You can bet everyone would be tuned in.

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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:19 PM
Response to Original message
8. Notice Shuster doesn't capitalize Philippe or Chelsea.
Clear lack of respect or sheer laziness.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #8
21. All he has to do is hold the key for a second on his Blackberry to force a cap too
That is extremely lazy - I would never send such sloppy emails - even from my Blackberry.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #21
36. Especially to a Presidential candidate's campaign.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:19 PM
Response to Original message
9. As for the scheduled MSNBC debate, Hillary says she's going to see "how this plays out."
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 05:20 PM by flpoljunkie
Now what do you suppose she means by that?
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IrishBloodEngHeart Donating Member (815 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #9
26. It means she is down with Faux News, but not MSNBC
But I guess that's why Rupert Murdoch hosted a fund raiser for her.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #26
57. AND . . . he didn't hurl insults at her daughter --- !!!
Do we really think that MSNBC hasn't let these people off the leash to do crap like
this --- ???

GE know who they hire and who they invite on the shows ---
it's very controlled ---

This doesn't happen by accident ---

This was a planted landmine waiting to happen ---

to embarrass Chelsea and the Clintons ---

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #26
70. That's a pretty ignorant and biased comment
Why are you being just a jerk?
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IrishBloodEngHeart Donating Member (815 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #70
79. Sorry, but saying you will debate on Faux News, and not on MSNBC
and having rupert murdoch hold a fund raiser for you doesn't show enough fight for me. sorry if those facts bother you.
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DougieZero Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:20 PM
Response to Original message
10. Clinton people leak e-mail exchange... *milk* *milk*
*squeeze* *squeeze*.... Let's get this udder dry.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #10
24. Inappropriate commentary
Unless you think calling Chelsea a whore is OK?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #24
44. TOTALLY inappropriate commentary!
:grr:
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #44
51. Yeah, seems as though Dougie "hit and run" is truly a Zero
Stunningly stupid commentary by some people here.
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DougieZero Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #24
66. Hillary is still a politician...
and the campaign knows this will bring sympathy... why continue to force the story with press releases, conference calls and comments from the HRC campaign.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #66
69. This post is based on a blog
I don't care what you think - this story has legs because people here can't stop talking about it.

Do NOT blame the Clinton's for Schuster's asinine comment!
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #66
94. It also might finally set a needed precedent
That journalists can't get away with libeling the Clintons at will.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #10
59. MSNBC/GE - Schuster supplied the cow, the milk, and the vulgarity ---
and now their defenders want to complain that life's unfair --- ?
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:21 PM
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14. I think it's incredibly ugly and I'm offended too.
What is it about Chelsea, this lovely, accomplished, articulate, brilliant young woman, that makes some people feel like airing their own misogynistic hatred? Pimping her out means Chelsea is being a whore. Take a look in the mirror on that one, Schuster. This is just so ugly and sad.

On the bright side, it's encouraging to know that the tv pundits can be held accountable for the terrible job they're doing. With Rush, Hannity, and all the hideous and very harmful things they've said, it seemed like there was no consequence. I began to think you could yell fire in a crowded theater and it would be ok. Schuster, McCain, all of them who've attacked Chelsea should be ashamed of themselves. Cowards and scumbags.
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #14
28. Aren't we all "whores" for a paycheck?
So why can't a child be a whore for a parent? Politically speaking.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #28
42. Sexist!!!!- Ageist!!! Obamaroid!!! Cultist!!!
how dare you question this!!!

I want my cake, and I want to eat it too!


:sarcasm:


:shrug:
Chelsea is not a CHILD- she is the daughter of Hillary, but not a child. I was a mother 2times over by her age.
If she can't deal with the media, then she shouldn't be playing the game. That doesn't mean the comment is in good taste, or that it isn't rude and insulting. But Chelsea is a 'big-girl' now. And she is making an adult choice to participate in this campaign. It is far different than when she was an innocent child, whose parents made the decision to bring her into the political world of the White House.

Your comment is right on- we all sell ourselves for money or power in some way. But I don't think many people like to acknowledge this.- So, don't be surprised if you don't get much agreement.

this entire campaign is beyond absurd.

peace~
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #42
47. Well, you are a sexist then
If you don't understand why his comment was most disgusting due to it's sexist nature, they you are an idiot.

Hows that for sarcasm?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:07 PM
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #28
75. How can you possibly believe that?
Are you saying you can't earn an honest living? Speak for yourself.
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:22 PM
Response to Original message
15. Maybe the question should be
Was, Karenna Gore, the Bush twins, Venessa & Alex Kerry, Kate Edwards, the Romney sons - or any other adult offspring who chose to campaign on behalf of a parent, being "pimped" out?
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:24 PM
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20. More double standards.
Not just from Schuster but from posters above me.
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #20
45. Just imagine
If a network anchor said Barak was pimping out Michelle.
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:26 PM
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22. Can a grown adult be "pimped" out
Chelsea is over 18 and and not a child. She maybe the "child" to Hil but she is an adult and to refer to a adult as being "pimped" is fair game IMHO.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #22
29. good point
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 05:30 PM by Enrique
adult women should not take offense when a journalist calls them a whore on TV.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #29
48. lol
Yep, there is nothing degrading or sexist about such comments!

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #22
30. Yes. What do you think the phrase means? n/t
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:28 PM
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25. Dense David gets mad at the Clinton staff and
takes it out on a third person - Chelsea. Calls her a whore.

The really sad thing - David is probably one of the more evolved men at MSNBC/NBC. What a bunch of boorish assholes.

Stupid me - I thought it was the 21st century. Guess I got confused - got to go find my corset.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:29 PM
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27. Oh yay, the Clintons have got their favorite surrogate yip-dog in the fight.
:eyes:

Proving once again there is no offense too disgusting for the Clintons to cynically use to their advantage. Now they actually ARE pimping out their daughter. Nice one!

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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #27
32. You are not well. n/t
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. Perhaps you're right. I do feel like puking
A bad case of "Clinton Pox".
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #32
40. That seems to happen when they jump from Edwards to Obama.
Obama mocks their candidate's compassion for the poor, but now they support him. Kind of like McCain clinging to bush despite the whispering campaign in South Carolina. Same song, different verse.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #40
49. Those that do not see the rampant gender bias of today
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 05:58 PM by DURHAM D
are the direct political descendants of the people in the first half of the last century that claimed there was no race bias.

On edit - let me make that the entire last century.

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #49
58. It's both -- there is gender bias AND the Clintons are playing it to the hilt
YOU may care about ending sexism, but Hillary certainly doesn't. She's having too much fun playing the victim.

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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #58
65. She is not "playing victim" . That term has been "applied" to her
by people such as yourself who feel superior.

Congrats to you - hope that clinging doesn't rip off your fingernails.

On second thought - I hope it does.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #65
100. So, you're saying she's the VICTIM of people who say she's playing the victim?
Interesting...

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #58
67. BS: The Clintons didn't ask for anyone to suggest that their daughter was being PIMPED OUT
by them ---

Those are cards played by a sexist network and a sexist commentator ---

GE knows who they hire ---

This kind of r-w crap is laying there waiting to ozze out ---

and it has --

What's really revealing, however, is how far DU'ers who dislike Hillary will go
to join in the disgusting game playing --- !!!!


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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #67
71. And if they actually cared about protecting Chelsea they'd try to resolve the issue privately
They had their public blowup, they got their news cycle. Now they're just trying to extend the story because they don't want the next four days to be about Obama beating them in primaries.


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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #71
80. Really? That's what you'd do --- have a digusting PUBLIC comment made ...
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 08:44 PM by defendandprotect
about your daughter and not respond publickly --- ???

You'd look like a total jerk to the public ---

It would be difficult to see your comments in any light but totally biased on this issue
evidently because of strong anti-Hillary feelings.



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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #40
52. BAM!! what a crack-up!! luv it!!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #40
61. Or maybe we just know that Obama's the last shot the Dems have at the White House this year
But please, keep pushing your unelectable candidate. You're doing the country soooo much good.

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VarnettaTuckpocket Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #40
74. "Obama mocks their candidate's compassion for the poor"
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 06:41 PM by VarnettaTuckpocket
I hate to ask for a quote or a link, but I'm dying to know more about Obama trashing Edwards for his compassion for the poor. It probably makes me more sad than angry, like seeing videos of poor helpless animals being abused, while sadists giggle at their suffering.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #74
78. Part of Obamas stump speech for a while was to mock Edwards for his answer in his last debate to a Q
about what they each thought they're greatest weakness was.

Obama's answer:
"I ask my staff never to hand me paper until 2 seconds before I need it, because I will lose it. My desk doesn't look good...that's not trivial."

Edwards answer:
"I sometimes have very powerful emotional responses to pain that I see around me...I feel that in personal way and in a very emotional way."


Obama later used this in his stump:
"Because I'm an ordinary person, I thought that they meant, 'What's your biggest weakness?'" Obama said to laughter from a packed house at Rancho High School. "If I had gone last I would have known what the game was. And then I could have said, 'Well, ya know, I like to help old ladies across the street. Sometimes they don't want to be helped. It's terrible.'"

You can google any of it to verify. Hope this helps.
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VarnettaTuckpocket Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #78
98. Thanks, I'd heard Obama's joke, but I didn't know what Edwards had said
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 10:04 PM by VarnettaTuckpocket
He's very obnoxious isn't he, similar to the "likable enough" comment. Which he even denied was a joke, he claimed he was sincerely trying to defend her!
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #98
99. He has a bit of a "tin ear" sometimes, it's because he's still very green.
All political candidates are arrogant and driven, they have to be to get as far as they do. Most of them have more mechanisms for keeping it in check by the time they get far enough to run for President.

And yeah, it can be obnoxious.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #27
53. and who are a Yip-dog for??--oh.......let ........me...........guess
Oh yay, the Clintons have got their favorite surrogate yip-dog in the fight.

:eyes:

Proving once again there is no offense too disgusting for the Clintons to cynically use to their advantage. Now they actually ARE pimping out their daughter. Nice one!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:30 PM
Response to Reply #53
73. Thanks for copying my post verbatim... not sure what your point is.
:shrug:
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #27
95. That was a pathetic comment
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:13 PM
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68. I love David Schuster's straight reporting, but his opinions too often come off puerile and off-base
He's such a great reporter that they were grooming him for promotion to an anchor or pundit spot by putting him in as an anchor substitute and soliciting his opinions. Unfortunately, his commentary has too often struck me as juvenile and silly. I'm a strong Obama supporter, but saying that Chelsea was "pimped out" and then refusing to apologize is grounds for a long-term suspension. And if the Clintons push it, MSNBC will probably be forced to fire him. His excellence as a straight journalist will land him another job, but probably not before the Conventions. It's a shame, but his benhavior in this mess is totally unacceptable, inappropriate and unprofessional. How old is he, anyway?
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 08:49 PM
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82. Schuster is 41 years old
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 08:52 PM by spooky3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Schuster

Time to grow up, but maybe his long stint at Faux News before joining MSNBC is the problem.

I find it interesting also that the Clinton campaign disputes the factual basis for Schuster's excuse. He claims that they "jump down journalists' throats" for attempting to talk to Chelsea but Philippe said that wasn't true. Schuster did not respond with any specifics or evidence to back up his claim. Mediamatters also documented Schuster's making a false statement in his first "apology." This makes me really suspicious that Schuster was just grasping at straws to justify his bad behavior and that there was little or no truth to the notion that he had been treated badly by the Clintons. No wonder the Clintons were so offended and no wonder this was not resolved quietly. The blame lies squarely with MSNBC and its management.
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #68
90. I love you.
:blush:
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:27 PM
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72. According to Schuster
He just wanted to talk to her, and he couldn't, so he called her a whore. That's how he justifies himself.

What a nasty, arrogant man.

And to the posters on this thread, I wonder why are you fighting with each other over this? It makes me sad.

This is about the denigration of women, whether it is Schuster (and others) talking about Chelsea, or Joe Scarborough making a nasty sexist comment about Fred Thompson's wife.

Look at these cable news channels and note how the "opinion" roles are still dominated by men, and how women almost always play a contributor/sidekick "submissive" role, or are relegated to the sensational. The media is still a boy's club, and so they feel comfortable using locker room language.

This is misogyny, pure and simple and in your face. To reduce it to the level of campaign tactics is to miss an opportunity. To those of you who think there is some systematic bias at MSNBC against Hillary, I would suggest that perhaps it is just what the boys club does, even without a directive.

I don't really agree with Hillary, and don't want her to win, but I don't want her to lose because she is a woman, and because our media is still a Neanderthal freak show.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 07:11 PM
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76. Oh, for the love of God,
ENOUGH! This is so petty and ridiculous! :crazy:

It's been addressed and now it needs to go the f*** away! There are more pressing issues.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 07:16 PM
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77. So, it wasn't "pimp my ride" meaning - he meant to attack her, not to say her parents
boasted about her. he is angry:

"The issue is that the campaign has come down hard on reporters who merely sought to ask chelsea questions. You can't have it both ways. Reporters have long respected the clintons desire that we avoid chelsea and let her have her space. But to get angry at reporters seeking to talk to her now is patently unfair. And you know that."
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:55 PM
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97. He deserves to get his butt kicked for that remark
I've never been a Clinton fan, but it made my blood boil when Chelsea was just a child in the White House and RW a**holes made disparaging remarks about her. It was cruel and completely out of line. And now she's doing a job for her mom and they're miffed because she won't talk to them so Shuster thinks it's o.k. to start that crap up again? If it were my child and some idiot made innuendoes about pimping her out I'd raise some holy hell, too. Good for Hillary.
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