Do you still percieve Obama as "the black" candidate

[Perky]

Poll question: Do you still percieve Obama as "the black" candidate

or is his base proving to be far larger?

[NightWatcher]

1. I wish we could get past the days of "the black" and "the woman"

and look at the CANDIDATES

[Perky]

3. I honest;y think we have...the argument has moved in the last month

to who can beat the GOP in the Fall and race and gender have become a non issue.


except for a few people here apparently whjo suggest that Obama wil not when but he has now sucessgull supplanted Jackson and Sharpton at the head of the race.



AAAARRGGGH

[liberal N proud]

20. Democrats have for the most part

If you look at all the banter on this forum, none of it is gender or race based. It all about who one side or the other thinks will make the best candidate against the neocons.

The media and the republicons have not got past either race or gender, they have been bred to the bias that only a white male should hold the highest office in the land, no intelligence required.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

2. I've never really seen him as "the black" candidate...

...any more than I've seen Hillary as "the female candidate" or Edwards as "the rich candidate." Quite frankly, I'm surprised that he's doing as well as he is in that demographic, given the Clintons' long-standing ties to the African-American community.

[LostinVA]

7. Exactly -- irritating there isn't that choice

[Perky]

13. Thanks for pointing that out.... I added the option

this oll was prompted by someone who insitesd that all Obam had accomplishes was to supplant Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as the leaders of the AA community.


Arrrggh.

[Perky]

14. Thanks for pointing that out.... I added the option

this oll was prompted by someone who insitesd that all Obam had accomplishes was to supplant Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as the leaders of the AA community.


Arrrggh.

[stahbrett]

15. Exactly - I've never seen him as "the black candidate" (eom)

[bowens43]

4. I never did.......

[Yael]

5. The same ones who can't get past race/sex are the same ones

who long for the return of the "idealistic" 1990s.

Even under a Hillary administration -- that isn't going to happen.

Reality bites.

[w13rd0]

6. WHOA!

Wait a second.

Barack Obama is black?

[onehandle]

8. Doesn't matter. All the MSM saw was the black candidate and the woman.

Their physical difference from the usual white guy was the story.

The MSM set this race up and are reaping the benefits.

[Adelante]

9. I never did nt

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

11. Exactly.

[Tindalos]

10. No

I don't define people in terms of race or gender.

[newmajority]

12. I percieve Barack Obama as the next President of the United States

The level of Melanin in his skin is not an issue.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

43. I totally agree

[Perky]

16. Notice how the eight who have said he is the black candidate have not offered any justification

[Lilith Velkor]

17. Didn't answer because the choices are not mutually exclusive

Do politicians always change color depending on who votes for them? Hmm. And here I thought the comparison to chameleons was a metaphor. :shrug:

[cgrindley]

18. I have always perceived him as the upper middle class candidate

Hillary is the blue collar candidate. I'm upper middle class, so my family is going Obama.

[moobu2]

19. Barack Hussein Obama Can be whoever or whatever you want him to be

But he’ll be the black candidate in the GE if he wins the primary. Repubs will make sure of that.

[Perky]

21. so tell is us why the inclusion of his middle name?

[moobu2]

23. Why do you ask?

[Perky]

24. seemed like you were trying to make a point

[bridgit]

27. I think it is Barack that makes the point by *not* using it

[Forkboy]

31. I don't know anyone in person who uses their middle name.

:shrug:

[bridgit]

32. hahaha, well pleased to meet'ja, i have two and use them routinely...

But that's not the point now is it, the other day they splashed McCain's name across the screen...do you know what it is, cause i do it's

John Sydney McCain III, they will soon be telling you, "Now THAT'S an American name!!" sadly we know bush's middle name and both of his dad's, Reagan's, Bill Clinton's, you know Hillary's...you're just being silly

There's a reason they don't put either his middle name, or certain components of his positions out there it's cause you ain't supposed to be vote'n on that stuff anyhow; you're vote'n "hope" and that should be enough ;)

[ElsewheresDaughter]

22. I believe most of his black supporters absolutely are voting strictly on color

[Perky]

25. That really was not the question.,

[fishwax]

30. why do you think that?

[bridgit]

26. Sure he's "Still the Black Candidate", that flat response presumes an onus; the shocker is that...

so many DUer's seem not able to perceive him as black, at least by their vote; which I think is instead able to be seen as a frame of mind driven off the cliff. The response may-should have been, "Does it matter?" or the like. But the responses have codified forms of blindness. Ones they are my hope it is; we do not pay for before the item has arrived parcel post/sight unseen...so as to say.

We have a 1/2 black granddaughter, we do not ignore her culture, we exult it. My dance partner at UCLA was a gay black man, similar perspective. At the time, back in the day, I was the only little white girl interning at Alvin Ailey...my sense is that the many that voted they've never seen him as black...may have seldom withered beneath a multi-cultural gaze.

They're seeking a way to be, or become human beings is not a lost endeavor to some. But it reminds me of what was done to Native Americans, when all they were thought of were recipients of tin coffee cups, and whiskey. Seldom who they really were....are. We're doing it to people in the Middle East right now. So prideful of our blinders.

I think there's a better way. But I don't think it involves looking the other way.

[cd3dem]

29. We shamefully judge whites to be racist not based on their character but by the color of their skin.

Anti-white racism vs Reverse racism: What we have is a man with very little experience who has gained popularity by not allowing anyone to criticize his credentials... and any criticism is immediately classified as racism and insensitive. The white candidates must not question the black candidate or they will by default be a racist.

MLK "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

We shamefully judge whites to be racist not based on their character but by the color of their skin.

http://www.racismeantiblanc.bizland.com/005/08-02.htm

[fishwax]

33. well, that's a nice right-wing web site you've linked to there

It's simply not the case that any and all criticism of Obama has been immediately classified as racist or insensitive. Nor is it true that "we" "shamefully judge whites to be racist by the color of their skin." The latter has been a common claim of racists for years now. The former has been around a while too, of course, but has been specially adapted for this election.

[cd3dem]

36. I am tired of the racism in America which allows discrimination not only against whites but blacks

our system is making a bunch of whiners who use racism as an excuse to screw around... I am so tired of it I need to find a job where race is not a factor... it drives me nuts... we allow whites to be treated poorly and black children and adults are not served by it!

we need to judge by a person's character as MLK said... not by color... and we don't do that!

[cd3dem]

37. I am tired of the racism in America which allows discrimination not only against whites but blacks

our system is making a bunch of whiners who use racism as an excuse to screw around... I am so tired of it I need to find a job where race is not a factor... it drives me nuts... we allow whites to be treated poorly and black children and adults are not served by it!

we need to judge by a person's character as MLK said... not by color... and we don't do that!

[fishwax]

38. "we allow whites to be treated poorly"

:crazy:

"our system is making a bunch of whiners who use racism as an excuse to screw around"
:puke:

[cd3dem]

39. that is right... the inner city schools are a mess... they let kids act out and hide from racism

but to allow kids to act out b/c one is afraid to be called a aracist is racism... try sitting in an inner city school that has a high drop out rate and you will see what I mean!

the kids act out and call their teacher racists if they hold them accountable... yes I am white, but I hear the same thing from black teachers so get real!

[cd3dem]

40. and there is nothing right-wing about the site.. it is a site hosting site... you are an example

of exactly what I speak!

[fishwax]

49. huh? are the two mutually exclusive somehow?

a "site hosting site" can't be right-wing? The site that you linked to contains all kinds of rants about the "hunting of white people" or "racist rapes" perpetrated on whites, etc. It's the same kind of shit you hear the CofCC talk about or find links to on stormfront forums.

"you are an example / of exactly what I speak!"

That doesn't make any sense. I'm an example of treating white people badly because they're white? I didn't assume anyone was racist. I didn't accuse anybody of being racist.

I simply said that those two arguments (a) "any criticism of a minority will be shouted down as racist" and (b) "whites are assumed to be racist just because they are white" have both been talking points of racists for a very long time, and that neither one of them is accurate.

[cd3dem]

44. listen to your own shit... any white who claims racism is a racist!

no dialog... just call the person a racist... it is a way to throw mud at people and dare them to defend themselves... more of the Obama strategy...

Vote Independent or not at all!!!

[fishwax]

47. what the fuck are you talking about?

I didn't call any person a racist. :shrug:

"Vote Independent or not at all!!!"
:shrug:

[cd3dem]

45. listen to your own shit... any white who claims racism is a racist!

no dialog... just call the person a racist... it is a way to throw mud at people and dare them to defend themselves... more of the Obama strategy...

[cd3dem]

46. listen to your own shit... any white who claims racism is a racist!

no dialog... just call the person a racist... it is a way to throw mud at people and dare them to defend themselves... more of the Obama strategy...

[jillan]

28. The media reminds us of that all of the time.

"the first African-American"
"the black...."

blah blah blah.... today msnbc asked some Obama supporter if they are worried if race will became an issue in the GE.

They don't let us forget the color of his skin.
I think they mention it more than they mention his platform.

[stillcool]

34. I percieve him as the 'best'

candidate...of course, everyone's perception is different. I don't watch the talk shows, so maybe that has something to do with it.

[B Calm]

35. I thought he had a white mother... I never have thought of him as black.

[Quixote1818]

41. His being black never even crosses my mind. nt

[Moh96]

42. nice poll

[Catherine Vincent]

48. Yes. And I still perceive Hillary as the "woman" candidate. nt