Outrage du jour: Clinton's "Plagiarism" Charge falls flat

[fedupinBushcountry]

Clinton's "Plagiarism" Charge Falls Flat
By Oliver Willis on February 18, 2008 7:08 PM

When I saw the Clinton campaign http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8570.html">claiming that Sen. Obama had committed "plagiarism" for echoing a few words from another politician's speech, I thought "are they serious"? This is the sort of useless charge that seems to once again show the fingerprints of an inept Mark Penn operation. By this standard, every time a politician said "ask not", he or she would have to provide a stackful of footnotes attributing the phrase to President Kennedy. For a change, the nightly news broadcasts on ABC and NBC noted how trite this accusation is (nobody tell the ODS-infected pro-Clinton sites, it's the http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=27038">outrage du jour).

http://www.oliverwillis.com/archives/2008/02/18/clintons-plagiarism-charge-fal/">Watch

[ProSense]

1. Thinking of a word...

nailed!

[GarbagemanLB]

2. That's hilarious. The Hillary camp was just made fools of.

:rofl:

[FrenchieCat]

36. Again!

[snooper2]

39. I hope she brings it up in the debate Thursday :)

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Scurrilous]

3. Thanks for posting this.

K & R :thumbsup:

[blocker]

4. Thats certainly the concensus in the MSM tonight!

This is gonna backfire on them! Wow never taught i would be saying bad things about her! but she had it coming!

[KittyWampus]

5. yeah Olberman had the Blockbuster line from Edwards.

[blocker]

6. Guys click on the link posted in the first post

And make your own judgement, "intelligent" judgement!

[tandem5]

7. I don't know if plagiarism is the right charge, but

the irony isn't lost on me that in response to Clinton's original challenge about words vs. action he uses a speech about the power of words using another's words.

[rodeodance]

8. Obama apologized today---end of discussion.

[GarbagemanLB]

9. Yeah, he actually OWNED UP to something. It's nice to see a candidate do that.

[rodeodance]

16. yes. he did. and that was the right thing to do. I am proud he said what he did.

[ProSense]

23. Are you proud that Hillary launched a bogus and disingenuous attack, and that her campaign spent the

day fanning the flames? Are you proud that when it was pointed out that she lifts language from everyone, including Obama, they shrugged it off as those standards don't apply to Hillary?

[scheming daemons]

10. Nothing "ends the discussion" with you Clinton supporters and your fake outrages.....

....you'll start it all up again tomorrow.... with a new fake outrage.


We've seen this game too many times now.


Your candidate's campaign is going down in flames... they know it... and yet they keep pouring gasoline on their own funeral pyre.

[rodeodance]

14. pardon..seems to me lots of OBama folks have keep this alive tonight. The indent

of post was to say----lets all drop it.

[ProSense]

18. "lets all drop it." Why, Hillary brought it up! She can't throw s***, and then when it hits the fan,

hope it disappears!

[rodeodance]

31. I said it was my sense that obama wanted to put this rest. maybe I am wrong.

[scheming daemons]

19. Of course "let's all drop it" comes after it has begun to blow up in Clinton's face....

...

We get it.

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

32. see my post just obove. thanks.

[ginnyinWI]

33. the problem is they always try to make a mountain out of a molehill

And they end up making only themselves look bad. Petty and foolish.

You'd thing they'd get a clue and stop digging themselves deeper each time it backfires on them.

This is a perfect example of politics as usual--and the people are good and sick of it.

[fedupinBushcountry]

11. Has Hillary, yet? n/t

[ProSense]

13. She should have to make a public retraction of her phony charges. n/t

[ProSense]

12. Yeah, he said it wasn't a big deal, and that Hillary copies from him. n/t

[rodeodance]

17. yes. I read what he said ==my TV news said he "apologized"--I think Obama wants to

put this to an end. just saying.

[Alexander]

28. So you believe everything the MSM tells you?

Just because your TV news said he "apologized" doesn't make it so.

If you're that gullible, no wonder you're a member of Team Clinton.

[rodeodance]

30. I merely am telling you what the TV said--So, do not ASSume what I believe.

[WinkyDink]

43. For what, if he did nothing wrong? Hmmmm?

[NJSecularist]

15. Who is to say the charges fell flat?

We will have to wait until tommorow to find that out. It's up to debate whether these accusations will stick or not. They don't have to be true to stick. Remember the Rethugs Swiftboat ad in 2004 about Kerry? There wasn't much truth in that, but it stuck.

We shall see tommorow what happens. If Hillary wins the state, the charges certainly won't have fell flat because she would have accomplished what she tried to do.

[GarbagemanLB]

21. Kerry didn't respond quickly. Obama responded within hours. He is on the ball, and that is more

evidence of what a great campaign he has run.

[NJSecularist]

24. What if the undecideds only catched the early news cycle?

And not the late news cycle where this was debunked?

In a close race like this, you never know. Undecides could go overwhelming to Hillary tommorow, and that would give her the state....

[fedupinBushcountry]

25. Kerry won the primary

FYI, the swiftboaters came out during the primaries and he hit them back. So lets not trash Kerry who is an outspoken Obama advocate. OK?

[TexasObserver]

20. Hillary has plagiarized Rove's entire playbook.

[ORDem]

22. I have respect for Hillary, I really, really do, but watching her

campaing implode like this is just friggin' sad, sad, sad.

:popcorn:

[poomie123]

26. To you they fall flat, BUT

To many, the charges ring indisputably true. When a speaker uses another person's uniquely, created or coined phrases, fails to credit that person, and gives the impression the words are his own, that's being disingenuous. It's a reflection on the speaker's character and trustworthiness.

And trustworthiness is something in which our nominee's opponent, John McCain, stands tall.

Downplay Obama's goof all you want, but it will redound negatively on him. A lot of us are now having second thoughts about him. Is he really what we have been thinking he is?

His misstep shows we still don't know enough about about him.

And if he ends up our nominee, how much more will the republicans dig out? What's next?

Bottom line: Nominating someone we have such a thin file on, could put us at high risk for a third-consecutive defeat in November.

We have to remember the forest: We want to win the White House.

[ProSense]

27. BS! No one other than the desperate folks in Hillary's camp buys this crap. It should stay

alive long enough for everyone to she how foolish this move was and how much of a hypocrite she is.

[fedupinBushcountry]

29. Did you watch the video?

I think not, for you wish to see only through rose colored glasses.

[johnnydrama]

34. so what

even for the few people that the charges ring true, first of all they'll think about it for 5 seconds and give it up, and secondly they'll see she's done it many more times than he has, and without the approval.

Most bystanders will look at the fact that his friend gave him those lines to say and will say, that seems ok.

Most innocent bystanders will not think that all those people she cribbed from gave her permission.

So it ends up a negative for her.

[cottonseed]

38. There's a big world out there poomie

And DU : Primaries isn't it. Today's news cycle will be filled with concrete things, such as primaries, and delegates, which is something Clinton's campaign has lost sight of a long time ago.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

41. There are suckers born every minute.

There are suckers who believe the plagiarism story.

There are suckers who think explosives were planted in the WTC.

There are suckers who think bigfoot causes chemtrails.

Just because there are suckers who believe it, it doesn't mean the charges haven't fallen flat.

[Bok_Tukalo]

35. The weird thing is, people on the right are pushing this stuff

To a certain degree, I can understand the general election thing because it is a McCain shot (weird that Clinton is conceding the election almost by criticizing Obama's general election financing position) but to see die hard Republicans on other sites throwing out the other charge today was strange. Since when were they Clinton fans willing to do her viral campaign dirty work?

[ProSense]

37. The right wing see this as killing two opponents with one stone, which

was provided by Hillary. It's something she, despite the claims of having been through it before, fails to grasp.

[Araxen]

40. Lou Dobbs has egg on his face

That's what he gets for trying to be a left wing O'Reilly.

[TexasObserver]

42. Next for Team Clinton: Charges of Jaywalking against Obama.