I guess now we know why Obama is afraid to debate

[Seeker30]

Kind of hard to use someone elses thoughts on the fly.

[BeyondGeography]

1. That's why he was hiding under the table during the first 18 debates

[jackson_dem]

5. He sucked in those debates and he decided to run from debates long ago

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/08/enoughs_enough_obama_will_limi_1.php

[Quixote1818]

17. Actually a lot of the Pundits thought Obama won several of those debates. nt

[jackson_dem]

19. Of course the msm did. The people and Obama's puppetmaster and staff didn't

[Quixote1818]

23. He did fine. Actually Edwards won most of the debates and Hillary and Obama

were both a distant tie for third.

[calmblueocean]

31. By what bizarre standard does engaging in 18 debates mean running from them?

Bill Clinton didn't even engage in *half* as many when he was running in 1992. Only 7!

But don't let the facts get in the way.

[BeyondGeography]

32. Oh, really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nKHBSFSosY

[casus belli]

47. Yeah, he totally sucked. The delegate count totally proves that. n/t

[ElsewheresDaughter]

13. correction there has been only ONE Hillary and Barack debate....just one 1 on 1 debate NOT 18

[BeyondGeography]

33. Right...the one that preceded Super Tuesday

which netted him more delegates and more states than Hillary.

A damaging affair that was.

[rodeodance]

38. broad brushing is an honor to them

[shadowknows69]

49. And it was still nearly identical to the 17 before it.

[cooolandrew]

2. It sure is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rweVOO-fhug

[jackson_dem]

12. That is the same as copying an entire campaign?

There is no "politics of hope", "movement for change", no "changing politics as usual", no "unity". It is all part of a marketing gimmick by Axlerod. What is left with Obama once you strip the gimmickry away?

[CatnHat]

34. Go Figure

Obama speech writers were probably getting "writer's cramp" and reverted to recycling; :rofl: after all, the guy isn't a straight-forward, off the cuff talker. Saw excepts of his "speech" today on local news, he was stuttering and fumbling all over the place. What's up, the news media even cut into it almost immediately.

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[Moochy]

someone at hillaryis44.org

should clue these dolts in that it only takes 5 dollars to get a star.

but they are not upper class so we should not expect them to have any spare income, just plenty of spare time to post the alloted 3 posts here with zero substantial replies.

Sad, innit?

[Seeker30]

16. So paying $5 makes you an elitist? You must be very proud

[Moochy]

20. apparently its out of your price range

Latte hating blue-collar thugs for hillary!

step 1) Encode the racist hate speech
step 2) spam 3 times a day, the prevalent lie that hillary's republican campaign advisors have dreamed up
step 3) repeat until tombstoned

[Seeker30]

28. What in the world does latte's have to do with Obama's fear of debating?

And I'm a racist too? Are you this dillusional in all areas of your life?

[Moochy]

30. Here's to the healing power of truth!

the first step is admitting you have the problem. kudos!

[Seeker30]

36. Typical, call someone a racist who doesnt agree with you

You ready to mention Clintons penis next?

[Moochy]

40. Hillary has a penis?

Talk about the buried lede! Oh you mean Clenis?

[Seeker30]

43. Would you like her to have a penis?

Maybe you can buy her one with your $5 star :rofl:

[A-Schwarzenegger]

52. Dillusional is when your in an pickel.

[emilyg]

39. Dumb post.

[woolldog]

18. So you discriminate against those of us

who don't have stars? :scared:

[Moochy]

27. Sounds like a case for the NAACP!

[woolldog]

35. I'm on the phone with them as I type this

;-)

[boppers]

50. Sneetches, man.

Sneetches.

[blocker]

4. desperate argument.

No wonder i got ticket off for good this week about everything associated to the clinton.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.

Now go away or I shall taunt you again.

[CyberPieHole]

7. I already knew that...

Maybe "Machine gun" Obama doesn't want us to see him stutter and stammer during the debates?

[avrdream]

8. Reasonable thought.

It is definitely his weakest area.

How did McCain do in debates previously? I didn't watch much but he seems pretty boring so BO could probably do just fine against him off the cuff.

Against Hillary is another story.

[jkshaw]

9. Obama is AFRAID to debate?

Got a link?

[jackson_dem]

15. Here. He decided to run from debates in July. Anything big happen in a debate in July or something?

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/08/enoughs_enough_obama_will_limi_1.php

[KittyWampus]

10. Obama supporters, please consider the red-x option

[BuyingThyme]

11. Umm, has any Dem presidential primary candidate in the history of the Party debated more than Obama?

[LadyVT]

14. Bingo

There was an article about his inability to articulate well when not using a teleprompter. A reporter spoke of his stack of 3x5 cards, his hesitancy, his gaffs when speaking off the cuff.

Of course he doesn't want to debate.

[tabatha]

21. Or maybe he does not want Clinton to copy him.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/

Polly want a cracker?

[Buve]

29. We've have ONE 1 v 1 debate

ONE!

The 17 pile on against hillary debates don't count.

[Beausoir]

22. Ouch. He's an empty suit who relies on the words of others to state his case.

[MadBadger]

25. Okay 21%

[flordehinojos]

54. empty suit plagiarist ... you got that right!

he is also like a 12 year old living in an adult body. very much like GWB. can't stand up on his own and always has something or someone to hide behind, whether its words, or whether its people like his friend Deval Patrick covering up his *ss for him on television this morning.

edited to add, hillary pointed some of this out in one of the debates when she said she wanted to debated him but he always backed away from he said, either excusing it by saying he meant to say something other than ... or ... somehow always an excuse. he can hillary under water from a stump stage but he can't do it in a debate and he knows it.

and if he as much gives her a below the belt punch during these two debates i hope hillary won't sit there out of breath and dumbfounded, i hope he punches right back at him in all her splendour.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

24. you got it!

[The_Casual_Observer]

26. He isn't copying, he's following a narrative that was scripted by others.

It just happens to be the same script given to Patrick.

[rodeodance]

37. Bingo---Bush got his script from the neocons.

[donheld]

41. He's already done like a hundred

Debates, what idiots!

[islandmkl]

42. how's the country fared as a result of the debate winners the past...

i don't know...40 years or so? The people will decide, one way or the other. State YOUR case, make YOUR points, and see how the votes tally. General Giap (Viet Nam) won only one major battle in 30 years of fighting all his adversaries...yet won every war he fought.

[pointsoflight]

44. You're making a fool of yourself. These themes and statements were started by Obama in 2004.

Patrick, with a similar political perspective as Obama, then used them in 2006. Now Obama continues those messages in 2008.

Oh, and Patrick is one of Obama's national campaign co-chairs.

Are we now going to attack every politician who has a speech writer that they don't cite? 'cause that's what you guys seem to be suggesting around here. The Clinton campaign better look in the mirror, in that case, 'cause I've never seen her cite one of her speech writers or campaign chairs for her messages.

Get real people. Seriously.

[JustinL]

45. they're debating on Thursday in Texas

link

Were you not aware of this, or are you just dishonest?

[AtomicKitten]

46. With the 19th debate this week, you get egg roll.

[Guava Jelly]

48. Normally the candidate behind in a race demands more debates

And the candidate ahead demands less debates.
Nothing wimpy about it.
It is a cover your own ass kind of thing.
If Clinton was 100 delegates ahead Obama would be demanding more debates.

[Perry Logan]

51. He should get an earpiece, like GWB.

[Political Heretic]

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[Vinca]

55. I wish Obama would pull out of the MSNBC debate.

MSNBC is all but washing Hillary's feet to atone for the David Schuster comment. I'm thoroughly disgusted with them. MSNBC has turned into the Obama bashing network.

[Iceburg]

56. Bush couldn't debate either ...hmmmm/nt

[Medusa]

57. They're debating on Thursday

I guess that means he's "hiding" in Hillspeak huh?