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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 08:56 AM
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ABC news: Michelle Obama: "For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I'm Really Proud of My Country"
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 08:56 AM by Iceburg
ABC News"
Michelle Obama: "For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I'm Really Proud of My Country"

Speaking in Wisconsin today, would-be First Lady Michelle Obama said, "For the first time in my adult lifetime I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change."

(Watch the video HERE.)

Comments:


Reading this compelled me to go straight to the comment secetion for my comment. Without reading anyone's comments before mine. But here I go: Ms. Obama, your comments are nothing short of unpatriotic, racist and downright shameful. I have never wished ill on someone for their comments/remarks and I will not stoop to that level now. But, you madam, have gone too far with that remark and you will suffer IF, and that is a big IF, anyone is listening and sees the true mean of the hateful words from you mouth.
Makes me want to vomit to know that you and others like you are in the same mix of people I sacrificed some of my life and physical abilities for in the name of freedom and for the love of MY COUNTRY! Shame on you and your media snatching husband.

An American Disabled Veteran
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It's an unpleasant thing to say, particularly in public, prefaced by "and let me tell you something," which is what people say when they are speaking from the heart.

I expect and encourage the Obamas to have specific criticisms of US policies, but to not have an abiding pride in America - well they've lost my support forever.

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The only thing more offensive to me than Michele Obama being the First Lady is for her husband to be the President.

Let's hope this is a sign the media is going to stop this "free ride" that they have been given. Can you even imagine what demands the lovely Obama's would be making if Hillary had said & done these same things? Please, she would have been told to leave the planet for offending them & their crazy cult.

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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 08:58 AM
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1. Omg, so what? You didn't even post the whole comment she made and instead are posting
gibberish CONSERVATIVE comments others have said about the comment she made.

The whole Michelle Obama comment:

"For the first time in my adult lifetime I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change."

The whole quote in context is: "What we've learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. It is making a comeback and let me tell you something, for the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made me proud. And I feel privileged to be a part of even witnessing this, traveling around states all over this country and being reminded that there is more that unites us than divides us.."
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:03 AM
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11. I gave you the text link & the the video link ... do you want to mime it to you too/nt
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:06 AM
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18. I just thought it odd you'd rather copy/paste entire wing nut comments about her statement
rather than pasting her entire statement for everyone to judge. You're more transparent than you think.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:58 AM
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50. When did Michelle Obama become an adult"? Yesterday?
So her husband's run for President is the only thing she has ever been proud of America for? That sounds quite self-centered and arrogant! How did this amazingly accomplished woman miss so much and right under her nose? Our country provides more global and humanitarian aid which literally keeps third world countries afloat and she doesn’t know this? We provide more AIDs relief to Africa than any other country and so on. I started a list but then saw an NRO reader summed it up nicely:

What about sending billions to ease the plight of millions of AIDS sufferers in Africa? What about the nation’s selflessness in stopping genocide in the Balkans when it had no immediate security interest in the region? What about our ability to produce hundreds of thousands of brave men and women who will risk life and limb to liberate two countries from despotic regimes right out of the Dark Ages? Doesn’t the Herculean Tsunami Relief effort generate a flicker of national pride?

I find it hard to believe someone with the opportunities Michelle Obama has had wouldn’t be proud of her country.It really comes down to this. If she’s never been proud of this great nation despite all the monumental things we’ve done, what exactly is it that I can expect she and her husband will do if they win? If they don’t like what’s made us great, why on earth should be trust them at all?



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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:34 AM
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68. Those pivotal points in America's recent history don't count if you
have spent your entire adult life in a small but lucrative world of corporate law.

The comment was completely self-serving and underscores how out of touch she is with most Americans.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:46 AM
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69. Did you know she quit the attorney position so she could work in the public sector?
yes, she actually quit her high paying position and went to a radically lower paying position because she felt unfulfilled being an attorney.
Wiki is your friend...
"Following law school, she was an associate at the Chicago office of the law firm Sidley Austin where she first met her husband. At the firm, she worked on marketing and intellectual property.<2> Subsequently, she held public sector positions in the Chicago city government as an Assistant to the Mayor and Assistant Commissioner of Planning and Development. In 1993, she became Executive Director for the Chicago office of Public Allies, a non-profit organization encouraging young people to work on social issues in nonprofit groups and government agencies.<6>"

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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:06 AM
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73. this is really retarded - what is the difference between "Really Proud" and "Proud"?
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 11:06 AM by bushmeat
really now, really.
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:57 AM
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86. She quit Treehouse Foods because Obama was running for Pres
cuz it wouldn't look good. She resigned from Treehouse Foods(whose largest client is Walmart) in May 2007.

According to TreeHouse's financial filings, Wal-Mart accounted for 16.1 percent of its sales last year, a 37 percent increase from 2005, making the Bentonville, Arkansas retailer TreeHouse's biggest customer by a long shot.

Meanwhile, Senator Obama openly criticizes Wal-Mart for its anti-union labor practices, including at a recent event in Trenton, New Jersey where he answered an audience member's question about Wal-Mart by responding: "I won't shop there."

Understandably, this conflict of interest has drawn criticism. So let's be realistic about this: Mrs. Obama needs to sever ties with TreeHouse before this becomes a bigger issue.
http://blogobama08.blogspot.com/2007/05/michelle-obama-leaves-treehouse-board.html">link

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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:10 PM
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97. wow so you can read Michelle's mind now? Great!
And how do you feel about Hillary actually being on the board of Walmart back then? we can go back and forth all day but you don't really want to have a rational discussion do you? You're hell bent on tearing Michelle down. Maybe you should look at your candidates hypocrisies before you judge.

"Clinton was the first female member on Wal-Mart's board, added when chairman Sam Walton was pressured to name one and was silent about the company's famously anti-labor union practices" Wiki
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #50
91. You see there was the time "Before Obama" which we all know was shit.
Then there was the annunciation, and then Obama appeared when he beat a republican kinky sex freak in an election. THEN HOPE ARRIVED!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:14 PM
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123. OMG!!!!
:spray:
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:05 AM
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72. What has been her adult life...about 25 years? Since Reagan...well, I'm with her.
Since Reagan, I haven't been particularly "proud" to be an American, and haven't been proud of our country. Clinton years? There were some good financial times, but the social network was being torn down, and passing NAFTA, further deregulating the media, and letting the NEOCON republicans take over the media & congress was his legacy.

I haven't been particularly thrilled for the past 25 years. Nope.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #72
75. I don't let the president define my patriotism. nt
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 08:59 AM
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2. That's not the first offensive racist comment she's made....
in this campaign but it will be glossed over because after all, she is untouchable by the adoring media.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:00 AM
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:36 AM
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42. Which part of being proud of her country was racist?
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:42 AM
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43. yes yes
CLEARLY Michelle Obama is a raging racist.

You've absolutely convinced me that I should take nebulous and off the cuff comments as clear signs of being a complete racist.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 08:59 AM
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3. Yea, we had some topics about this last night
Once again, Michelle Obama firmly plants her foot in her mouth. Just like the "I would have to think about it" response to whether she would support a Clinton campaign of her husband loses the primary.

Truly a Not Ready For Prime-Time Player.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 08:59 AM
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4. Why don't you people try parsing McBush's speeches
Michelle Obama was referring to seeing the turnout and support for her husband's presidential campaign. The fact that everyone seems to be coming together and putting past differences aside to rally for a better America.

If people would take the time to read the entire TRANSCRIPT in context, it is clear that what is inferred, is not what she said nor meant.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:04 AM
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14. Clinton, or anyone else would not be givne the courtesy
of reading the entire transcript in context- those mere words, which you must admit can be inflammatory (at least, if spoken by someone other than an Obama) would be scrolling on the bottom of CNN's screen all day. Context hell. FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE???? Then why the hell would you have supported your husband's running for president of a country you were not proud of?
Personal ambition? Oh never.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:09 AM
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20. Why is every spoken word all of a sudden "inflammatory"?
Do you really think that veteran who was quoted (in the O)P would have EVER voted for Obama in the first place? It was probably some freeper.

I am not following your logic anyhow. What do you mean?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 08:59 AM
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5. Ugh. Racists and crazies and I haven't even had my morning coffee yet...
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 09:56 AM by Kristi1696
Not nice. ;)

And this is also the first time in my adult life that I too am REALLY proud of my country. I agree with her on that one.


Edited: to fix embarrassing typo (I wasn't lying about that cup of coffee)
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:02 AM
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9. Yeah me too, when I heard Obama was running for president
I never thought he'd get elected, I thought the Clintons would trounce him in Iowa. But I was so moved and touched that people were able to look beyond race and vote for the possiblity of a black president. I am really proud of that, and it would be the first time I am proud that we can for one moment look beyond the racial divide that has so affected us for as long as this country has been built.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:10 AM
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23. Ditto for me. For the reasons you (eloquently) mentioned!
:hi:
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:26 AM
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37. thanks!
:hi:
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aasleka Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:15 AM
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29. yup
I completely agree Angie, Obama picked me up in 04 when he spoke at the DNC and his inspiration was actually the reason I initially went to register people to vote for the first time for Kerry and came here to DU and started being a part of the Democratic party.

What really gets me is that Obama sees that he can't do it his way and must include a variety of people, groups and ideas to make change. We have to start somewhere and this as good as place as any.

I am saving my pride for next January and will for the first time celebrate an inauguration.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:45 AM
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81. Thank you! Michelle has felt the swell of support.....maybe for the
first time in her life. I don't think we can call her out on being honest about her emotions.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:32 AM
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40. Then that is truly shameful. n/t
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:52 AM
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45. Oh, I'll not have you call me unpatriotic...
There is a difference between being proud and REALLY proud. I'm proud of this country every day. But the journey this country is on the verge of taking has shown me what it means to be "REALLY proud". I've never been more proud.

And there is nothing wrong with that.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:45 PM
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117. Journey? What journey?
I certainly hope you are not supporting a candidate just because of their race or gender. That's what it sounds like.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:07 AM
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58. The shame lies with the country which has consciously earned our disrespect
Seems to me that the shame lies with a country which has consciously earned our disrespect. The victory lies with those who finally feel there is something to proud of.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:59 PM
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112. Hear, hear. The response to this just shows how "really proud" Hillary supporters are of Reaganism
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 01:59 PM by Leopolds Ghost
Which has become the national religion of this country since before and after Bill took office.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:53 AM
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46. Me too.
I guess that makes me a racist.

And I haven't had my first cup yet, either.

It's going to be a long day.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:00 AM
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7. Go, Michelle! I'm SO hungry for change! She's witnessed
our country going to hell in a handbasket, and is as disgusted as I've been. Too bad there are so many people who continued to hide their heads in the sand.
The respondents are probably people who'd vote for the dim one again if they could. :eyes:
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:02 AM
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8. You're right- if it were Clinton saying that
the FoxNews pundits would be on it like a pit bull.
But this story will go nowhere. He's a media darling.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:04 AM
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15. also DU board would crash in outrage
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:10 AM
Response to Reply #8
22. Why no profile?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #8
27. The media sells what sells.
They make their decisions based on ratings and profits. Period.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:02 AM
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10. Michelle Obama is right. She turned 21 during the Reagan administration.
We seem to be turning away from the ME ME ME theme for the first time since Reagan took office.

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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:05 AM
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16. SHE'S IN HER FORTIES NOW!!!!!
Maybe it's just a jab at the Bill Clinton administration?
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:09 AM
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21. Bill was not a change from that theme of ME ME ME
I always supported him because he was from our party, but I have no illusions about him and his presidency. He was the same, just less, as the 12 years that preceeded him.

Bill never made me proud to be an American or a Democrat. Bill and Hillary have always been the Bill and Hill Show, and it's always about them. We are seeing again their lack of devotion to the party.
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:13 AM
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26. She has spent her entire adult life in corporate law serving her self
no wonder she is experiencing a momentary epiphany of pride.

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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:10 AM
Response to Reply #16
62. Maybe. Maybe not.
Maybe its a jab at the problems in this country that's never addressed by our 'leaders'. Like poverty, health care, racism, etc.
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adabfree Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:03 AM
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12. big F'n deal...
I've said similar things in my life...

As a black woman, I'm not always proud of this country either...haven't always been proud, and will not always be proud of it...it doesn't mean, I don't love America, doesn't mean I wouldn't die for it, either. But I feel quite proud of it at this moment too and will even more so, if this historic race comes to fruition with a black man, actually being sworn in as President of this great nation.

I'm sure many women would feel the same, if it is Hillary Clinton, and I'm willing to bet Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans etc., would feel the same. Catholics felt the same when JFK was elected and Mormons would have felt the same if Romney was elected; I bet many Mormons were simply proud that Romney actually ran and made inroads and strides before dropping out.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:04 AM
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13. Freepers are all over those comment sections.
Why start taking them seriously now? Because they're criticizing Michelle Obama? Schadenfreud much?
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:09 AM
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19. Freepers, Independents, Republicans and Patriotic Dems are Americans too
Mrs. Obama has spent her entire adult life in corporate law raking in the dole on the backs of middle America no wonder she couldn't think of one instance in her adult life where she was proud of America.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:10 AM
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24. ahhh and all of a sudden your agenda becomes fully exposed
I was right to begin with. Thanks for verifying.:puke:
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:11 AM
Response to Reply #19
25. Lemme guess, you are sour grapes because Gore isn't running
:eyes:
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:16 AM
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30. Unlike you, I question NOBODY'S Patriotism. That's a Freeper thing to do.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:27 AM
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38. Put it in context and use your intelligence.
Anyone with a teaspoonful of brains can understand that she is talking about feeling a fresh sense pride and optimism in the political behavior of THE PEOPLE of America who are putting aside differences to rally around her husband's message of unity, and that given the divisions we have seen for so long she is very inspired by it. She is talking about the contrast between the llllllllllong days of division over these last decades and the new signs of a chance for national unity. She obviously did not mean she didn't like or didn't respect her country before this campaign. She obviously was not trying to insult her country. She is simply expressing that she is experiencing a renewed feeling of national unity and optimism which is very satisfying. If you use your intelligence and put it in context this is plain as day. So now here we go again with people parsing, taking things out of context, and misinterpreting what someone who gives hundreds of speeches has said. And I'm sure Mrs. Obama will issue a statement "clarifying" what she meant for all those who are misunderstanding her.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #19
49. Oh please.
You're going to sing "I'm Proud To Be An American" now? Don't be a hypocrite.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:23 AM
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64. Would you have been happier if she wasn't successful?
Maybe she is being attacked because she has not stayed in her place as a woman. Maybe she should consider stepping down from corporate law and let someone more qualified rake in the dough.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:21 PM
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102. see, you need to stop this lie now
It is simply not true that Michelle Obama has spent her 'entire career' in corporate law. verifiably untrue. From what I can tell, she spent 5 years at Sidley Austin before moving to the public sector and finally the University of Chicago. she was also paid to serve on a corporate board (Treehouse Foods) probably because her husband was a rising star politically, and she was wired into the Chicago community through the University and its hospitals.

by the way, she made a salary of roughly $270,000 from the University of Chicago hospitals last year, $120K or so more than Senator Obama made in the Senate (plus her $50K from Treehouse) that's a decent income, but not for a 41 year old corporate lawyer (as you like to call her) if she had stayed at Sidley, Austin, she'd be over a million now.

and, full disclosure, I am a Hillary supporter, but I don't need to see these types of pure, unadulterated falsehoods being sent around.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #19
113. What? I thought we were supposed to hate them b/c they are infiltrating our primaries to vote Obama.
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:06 AM
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17. So now DU is giving right wing "are you a true patriot?" loyalty tests? Give me an f-ing break!
Good lord, I don't even recognize this place nowadays. It's like Free Republic with a better interface.
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:25 PM
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124. Every thread is an open invitation for an attack
It's been going on for some time now.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:15 AM
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28. Look at this from her point of view.
She's a black woman in a country that has been unfriendly and unkind to both. She like many others probably believed that Americans wouldn't vote for a black or female candidate. The fact that many will makes me proud too.
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:17 AM
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31. Mrs. Obama's problem is that she spent her entire adult life in corporate law/nt
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:19 AM
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33. Why do you think she has a problem?
And why is that a problem? Is that also Hillary's problem? And are my comments incorrect?
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:03 AM
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55. Princeton, Harvard...
Yes, this country has kept her down, hasn't it?

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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:09 AM
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61. Did I even suggest that?
And do you disagree with me?
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:24 PM
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103. Yes, you did suggest it.
You said: "She's a black woman in a country that has been unfriendly and unkind to both."

You failed to mention that she's a black woman in a country where she went to Princeton and Harvard. How has the country been unfriendly and unkind to her? You're framing this as though she's speaking from personal experience ("she's a black woman") but her experience, it seems, has been anything but unfriendly and unkind.

:shrug:



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NJObamaWoman Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:52 PM
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106. Correction please. Just because she went to ivy league schools
doesn't mean she had it easy. Read the latest Newsweek article about her. Or listen to her speeches. She dealt with racism at both schools. I know about this because I have family members who went to Princeton and dealt with racism there. Going to those schools don't mean anything. Like she said..people told her that those schools were too high for her. Once she arrived the white students would look past her and think she got their cause of affirmative action. Not because she was smart.

I can relate to her because I had a nice 'burb life but I dealt with racism at stores, from police etc. Being black in America means you are at a disadvantage from the get go.
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:41 PM
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111. I didn't say she "had it easy." That's not even the argument here.
The fact is that she did go to those two schools. Two schools, in fact, that have no doubt turned down others who aren't from the minority community -- which is understandable, they are not easy to get into. You do it on merit. Michelle Obama did it on merit. She is to be credited for it. But exactly how was this country unkind to her?

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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:18 AM
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32. Michelle "Don't I look like Jackie Kennedy in this outfit" Obama has a right to her opinon.
No matter how shallow it shows her to be.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:25 AM
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36. And HIllary looks like an ad for Lane Bryant....
...your point?
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:21 AM
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34. Oh, God, not this stupidity again. I'll say it again: BFD.
Her statement is a non-issue.

Same as every other benign statement by any public figure that gets twisted around, exaggerated, jumped on, and used to generate false outrage and sanctimonious windbaggery from the over reactive, hysterical, mostly right wing crowd.

How about if all of these idiots getting their panties in a bunch over a rather innocuous personal opinion try on for size the fact that how Michele Obama feels about America, proud or not, has nothing to do with their own patriotism, and to even pretend it does is a sad plea for attention?

If they don't like what Michelle Obama said why don't they just ignore it, and concentrate on their own "American Pride"?

What a bunch of whining tools.

I am so sick of this B.S. Isn't there some real news somewhere? Surely there must be an unjust war based on lies going on somewhere which has taken countless lives, with no end in sight.

Oh yeah, there is. But apparently, Michelle Obama's perceived "delayed pride in America" is a far more pressing issue it would seem.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:24 AM
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C'mon, we all know it's just more elitist rhetoric from Michelle. Simmer down.(eom)
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grrr050 Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:00 AM
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52. She could have framed it better
The more pc remark should have been I have never been prouder or (more proud) of my country these days if she really wants to exalt her feelings about how things are going their way. Com'on now , she is running as first woman here not the treasurer of 4-H club. I thought she was a smart woman.
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:12 AM
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63. She was speaking from her heart ...
Michelle has spent her entire adult life in the elite and cut-throat world of corporate law. She has not rubbed shoulders with ordinary Americans.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:52 AM
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70. Michelle's cultural experience in this country isn't too different
from the experiences of many ordinary Americans.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:09 PM
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122. Michelle's not at all politically savvy.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:24 AM
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35. Me too!
Although I am a bit older than her, so I would have been proud up until Jan, 1969. After that, not so much.

I saw her speech yesterday on C-Span yesterday. It was excellent. I agree with what I heard first-hand.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:30 AM
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39. For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime
I'm proud to be selling pickles to Wal Mart.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:35 AM
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41. Michelle Obama and I are the same age...
We turned 20 in 1981...

Ronald Reagan. Star Wars. Ketchup is a Vegetable. Contras.

    I'm swelling with pride

Then there was the Bush interregnum. Tienammen Square. Iran-Contra Pardons.

    I'm singing now: GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!

Then came (finally) the Clinton Years. Newt Gingrich. NAFTA. Welfare Reform.

    We'll give that one half-points. The Big Dawg did his best.

And then came W.

    I'm not even posting a list


You have to admit, from a political perspective, we Progressives haven't had a lot to cheer about

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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:02 AM
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53. ROFL! That's great!
Really puts this into perspective.

Here's my timeline.

Became an adult during Bill's second term.

What shining examples both sides of the aisle set then! Political inspiration? Boy, let me tell you! :eyes:

And then came W.

The hope and pride swelled in 2004, just to be crushed and replaced by the first true doubt I've ever felt for this nation


--So to be REALLY proud of this country? Yeah, it's fair to say this is the first time.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:59 AM
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88. Oh how sad! Do the historians know that time started when you were born?
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:06 PM
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107. Was there some point to that?
During my lifetime, the government of this country has rarely given me something to cheer about. Should I be swooning over the Reagan Administration's failure to publicly acknowledge AIDS until tens of thousands had died? Should I be jumping for joy over the bi-partisan scandal this is campaign financing? Should I be rejoicing over nearly 4,000 GI's dead on a fool's errand?

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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:44 AM
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44. This isn't there first time
she's said something offensive.

I don't understand why the Party Leaders didn't call her to the mat when she said she didn't know if she could support Clinton if she won the nomination.

She also spoke to a group of women saying "If you can't run your own house how you gonna run the White House!?" referring to Bills cheating.That's just downright dirty low nasty.Who the fuck does she think she is talking about another woman like that to a group of women.


Just like their supporters who have thrown ANY Democrat or thing under the bus if they go against The Obama's,so do Barack and Michelle;Hillary and Bill,Women who dare to stay with a cheating man/women in general,the Party with his RayGun remarks and Right wing tactics against Our Own and now the History of the Country.

Personally I don't think Barack isn't just NOT ready for a G.E. much less the Presidency but more importantly I think he and his wife are bad for The Party itself.

And let me just add too that DEMOCRATS are voting for Hillary.Independents and Republicans are good to have but Registered Democrats are voting for Hillary,DEMOCRATS want Hillary - that is so good to know.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:53 AM
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47. What she said is not offensive at all. Given the times we've lived through (and I'm her age)
I would agree with her.


What is offensive is the Clinton campaign's juvenile smear tactics of late. Hopefully the American people will prove much smarter than those who think they can be lead by the nose.

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grrr050 Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:08 AM
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59. She keeps getting away with it...
Or maybe I should blame this on her speechwriters? I dont know why but I think it's time people give their candidate a second look. Who are these people? Egomaniacs, narcissists running on hope and change. Not buying it.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:25 AM
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65. right?
and all the while Disparaging The Party itself by using Right Wing Attacks against our own.They don't even remotely resemble Democrats to me.Not even close.Obamas politics are not my own.This evangalistic preacher man with his talk of unity with the very people who took us to war with lies and who to this day!continue to support bush.

He disgusts me.His wife disgusts me.They are not Democrats,period.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:00 PM
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89. Not that gaffe she won't. That will be on republican ads.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:54 AM
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48. I don't know if someone has made this point, but this is a good opportunity for me
to do so. The United States institutionalized the enslavement of black people. So for a black man to find overwhelming support of his candidacy nationwide to run that same country, 100+ years after slavery was outlawed, that is incredibly inspiring. :) I think she was saying something along those lines, and I totally agree with her.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:33 AM
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67. Of course that is what she meant.
I think they know this. They are simply using this staement as an excuse to discredit Michelle. They will be up in arms with fake outrage for a long time. Keep a handy supply of popcorn.

I supported Kucinich, then Edwards, but I am also proud that Americans are growing up and away from petty differences. :patriot:
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:59 AM
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51. To be fair to Michelle...
Diane Patrick was the one who originally said this.

:rofl:
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:03 AM
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54. Racist, unpatriotic, shameful???
:rofl:
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:04 AM
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56. Just lovely to see a Clinton supporter weighing in on those comments
If Hillary can't win, by god no Democrat will! :eyes:
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:04 AM
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57. Let me offer a fair rephrasing of what she meant.
OK all misunderstanders, here's how she might have phrased it better:

"We are witnessing a new sense of national unity and hope for a better future which I have not seen before in my adult lifetime, and, as a result, I have never been more proud of the American people than I am now. Seeing us beginning to put down our differences and come together is wonderful and inspiring and shows me that hope is on the rise again, that the best part of us is making a new stand, and that a new day in America is coming."

Now, taking what she did say and putting it in context gives us the same message. Let's not nitpick every single thing a person says in every single speech they ever give. For goodness sake KEEP IT IN CONTEXT and look at the whole picture. Mrs. Obama was NOT insulting her country and was NOT saying she didn't like her country before. She was simply expressing a fresh sense of hope and optimism that she sees and has is personally experiencing as well as she campaigns, and that she is very proud of the people as a result. Simple idea.
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Hav Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:47 PM
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120. .
Well said, but sadly wasted. I suppose most here are able to put the quote in context. It's just that some choose to use anything they can get to attack the other side. It's lame, they know they are wrong and still here they are claiming to be so outraged. There is no use in trying to persuade them because the only reason they are oh so outraged about it is that they believe that this could help their candidate. Actually, it's quite pitiful.
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:09 AM
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60. I haven't been proud of my country for years
I guess that means I hate America.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:27 AM
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76. I was proud of the US Navy's assistance after the tsunami. nt
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:39 AM
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79. ahhhh, but you weren't REALLY proud
nt
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:12 PM
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114. I was proud of the US Navy's assistance after Katrina.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:27 AM
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66. racism and sexism is certainly alive and well on this board today
disgusting
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:03 AM
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71. She used to be "proud." Now she's "really proud."
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 11:05 AM by Xap
I'm really offended. :sarcasm:
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:10 AM
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74. In the same speech Michelle shrugs of the need for policy details...
Michelle's America
Mrs. Obama talks about herself and her country.
by Jonathan V. Last
02/19/2008 12:00:00 AM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/764fosie.asp

...Mrs. Obama's remarks were also light on policy--which is understandable. After all, she's not the one standing for office. But she showed something like contempt for even the idea of actual policy talk.
"I know voters like a plan," she said. "What's the details, tell me about your policies. Plans are important, I agree. . . . But a lot of this stuff isn't rocket science."...


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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:32 AM
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77. Who cares?
The media is so moronic. They'll ignore all the real problems w/Obama & instead focus on silly things like Michelle's comment, or Obama's "plaigarism". This is because these stories just require them to push play on a tape & then pontificate. No investigation or journalism required.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:38 PM
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110. Very good observation. Pontification is also cheaper than hard journalism, I guess.
Leading to healthier bottom lines. :sarcasm: :rofl:
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ILovePizza Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:35 AM
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78. As an A.A. adulr woman I have been proud of U. S.
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:42 AM
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80. I guess she missed civil rights, womens rights, and gay rights
What an idiot she is. She's as bad as Bill, but given a free ride because she's not a politician.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:58 AM
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87. No, silly. It's all about her and her hubby. n/t
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:04 PM
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93. Really, get hip with the Obama timeline of history.
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:25 PM
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104. History according to Obama: If it wasn't podcast then it didn't happen /nt
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:14 PM
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100. yes, and those "excessive" 60s and 70s when we got nothing done according to her husband
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 12:14 PM by RestoreGore
How in one breath he could try to imitate MLK and then trash the very time period he lived in shows what a user he is as well. Sorry, not impressed by either of them.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:17 PM
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101. Oh it's that timeline paradox thingy. The kids won't get it, so throw it out there.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:47 AM
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82. I saw the video. Wow. First time huh? Now THAT is inspiration!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:52 AM
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83. Oh good. Another faux controversy.
Everyone who was proud of our country when we invaded Iraq, raise your hand. Everyone who was proud over Abu Ghraib, raise your hand. Everyone who is proud we have 18,000 uninsured people dying every year, raise your hand. Everyone who is proud we have veterans living under bridges, raise your hand. Everyone who is proud George W. Bush is our president, raise your hand. Has free thought and free speech been outlawed by the right wing and the Clinton campaign?
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:12 PM
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99. Hoping to stop Obama, any way possible. nt
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:52 AM
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84. Are you saying it's my country right or wrong? Abiding pride?
I certainly have not been proud of what my country has done in my name....have you? If you say, "yes" then you do have abiding (enduring) pride.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:56 AM
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85. Well your response would mean to say you were proud of Katrina. America is proving it is not that...
...it appeared to be during that disaster. Although still much work to do down there. Michelle is also speaking of being invited to Larry King and being treated just as any other candidate's wife. I found her comments touching as ablack person.
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:08 PM
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96. That your contortionist spin. I've never been more ashamed of Bush -- well yes I have...
but that's beside the point. Bush isn't my country.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:01 PM
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90. Democrats continue to act like Republicans in this primary election cycle
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 12:01 PM by BrentTaylor
Overreacting over such a petty comment.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:04 PM
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92. OOPS ......there it is.......SWIFTBOAT FODDER
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:05 PM
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94. Fodder? That's a buffet.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:12 PM
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98. Indeed it is and more then likely a nine course sit down in a 4 star
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:05 PM
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95. Michelle Obama EXPOSED...
and it's not a PRETTY picture.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:35 PM
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105. PREDICTION. Look for a correction in a speech to be made later
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 12:36 PM by Neshanic
that will have to the effect..."As a proud American all my life," or "I was always optimistic about my country", or " My life as a proud American"....

You know the drill.
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watercolors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:17 PM
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108. First time in my adult life that I am also proud of us.
I'm 73, I am so proud that we our two top candidates for president are a woman and a black! I understand what she is saying, why all the negivtivity? We should be very proud right now! Did you ever expect it to happen? I figured we would always be stuck with dumb males who have not got it right yet!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:28 PM
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109. I'm 40 years old and still waiting.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:34 PM
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115. can't he CONTROL her??! nt
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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:34 PM
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116. MSNBC
Cindy McCain jumped on this saying that she is proud of this country. They are saying that Michelle is not on the ballot and that her political views are really not important. I guess that there are those here who agree with the McCains.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:46 PM
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118. "cult" eh? you're an idiot.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:46 PM
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119. "cult" eh? you're an idiot.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:01 PM
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121. Why wasn't she proud of the nation that allowed her to do this?
Princeton University
Harvard Law
Wife of U.S. Senator
Make $2.6 million in two years
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