Want to help the Clinton campaign pay thier PAST DUE bills? Don't give them the $$ pay these vendors

[Debi]

and inform the campaign it was an 'in kind' contribution.

Here's who the campaing FAILED to pay through January 31st.

I don't think you can help them PAY THEIR TAXES (who doesn't pay their taxes???) but the small hotels and caterers will appreciate it.

I've only listed a few vendors (mostly Iowa vendors) - go to the link for all of them.

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M2/C00431569/D_DEBTS_C00431569.html


Aetna Healthcare 213,085.25 - All Iowa Agricultural Assoc. 990.00 - Alliant Energy 1,455.71 - Alliant Energy Acct 10 1,103.32 - Alliant Energy Acct 17 651.86 - Alliant Energy Acct 18 1,838.10 - Alliant Energy Acct 3 722.95 - Amana Colonies RV Park & OCF 700.00 - Arkansas Dept. of Finance and Administration Withholding 2,928.03 - Artisan Landscape & Irrigation LLC 900.00 - At Risk Protection 59,409.43 -
BGM Community School District 810.00 - Big Ten Rentals, Inc. 2,635.35 - Bow School District 2,471.43 - Boys and Girls Club of Black Hawk County 1,000.00 - Boys Club of Sioux City 625.00 - CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield 299,455.02 - Carter Printing 4,394.23 - Cedar County Fair Association 800.00 - Cesar Chavez High School Attn: Scott Gayman 800.00 - City of Las Vegas - Department of Finance & Business Services 1,852.00 - City of Nashua - FMO 518.69 - City of Peosta 600.00 - Clearview Cinemas 3,008.31 - Clinton Community School Dist. 562.50 -
Colorado Department of Revenue 762.00 - Commissioner of Revenue Svcs. Connecticut Dept. of Revenue 799.00 - Community Co-op Oil 986.67
Community Education 541.00 - Complete Copier Center, Inc. 2,640.36 - COVAD Communications Dept. 33408 539.90 - Cuyahoga Community College Attn: Events Scheduling Office 3,540.00 - Deaf Services Unlimited 1,345.00 - Democratic National Committee 33,750.00 - Depot Deli 615.25
Des Moines Area Community Coll Business Office 525.00 - Des Moines Art Center Restaur. 1,000.00 - Drake Hotel 6,071.66 - Dubuque Community School Dist. Building and Grounds Dept. 2,604.85 - El Mundo Newsapaper 1,000.00 - Elan Office Systems 3,925.34 - Employment Development Dept. 880.38 - Fast Express Courier Service 546.60 - Fisk University Office of the President 1,200.00 - Food Company, LLC 940.00
Franklin County Convention Ctr 625.00 - Gateway Hotel & Conference Center 1,856.45 - Georgia Department of Revenue 1,658.36 - Globe Newspaper Group, LLC 4,920.00 - Grand River Center 2,911.65 - Hellenic Orthodox Community of Saint George 800.00 - Hospitality Staffing Svcs. Inc 2,993.75 - Hotel Ottumwa 2,625.00 - Hy-Vee #1 959.39 -Hy-Vee #1101 997.12 - Hy-Vee #1109 704.09 - Hy-Vee #1192 556.22 - Hy-Vee #1759 1,350.47 - Hy-Vee #1866 1,057.89 - Hy-Vee #1895 1,314.00 - Hy-Vee Food Store 1,452.96 - Hy-Vee, Inc. 716.20 - Iowa Falls Community School District 640.00 - Iowa Farmers Union 575.00 - Iowa State Fair 6,055.00 - Iowa Telecom 6,921.04 - Iowa Workforce Development Attn: Tax Bureau 993.45 - Lebanon Police Department 875.00 - Lexis Nexis 7,272.26 - Manchester Fire Department Attn: Dona Blais 1,164.93 -Mandarin Oriental 4,843.81 - Merrimack Valley High School Attn: Terri Moore 1,085.00 - Metro Media Productions, Inc. 2,000.00 =
MidAmerican Energy Company 1,354.72 - Missouri Dept. of Revenue 628.00 - Missouri Valley Community School District 900.00 - MP Security Services, Inc. 788.38 - Muscatine Community School District 805.81 - National Association of Letter Carriers 1,228.25 - National Cattle Congress 2,964.00 - Nevada Dept. of Employment, Training & Rehabilitation 606.72 - Newton YMCA Attn: Kristin Orl 1,200.00 - North Iowa Fair Association 1,000.00 - North Scott Community School District 630.00 - Parking Systems, LLC 670.00 - Payment Solutions, Inc. 870.00 - Premier Pizza 500.12 - Rockingham County Sheriff's Department 864.00 - Sale & Pepe Fine Foods & Gourmet Pizza 2,492.63 - Salem School District Attn: Accounts Receivable 507.36 - Sioux City Art Center Board of Trustees 3,450.00 - Solon Community School Distr. c/o Cindy Steege 1,984.20 - Souhegan High School Attn: Sally Varanka 1,415.00 - Southern New Hampshire Univ. Athletic Department 9,542.80 - State Historical Society of IA 2,050.00 - State of Michigan MI Department of Treasury 923.98 - State Theatre Regional Arts Center at New Brunswick 1,610.00
Sumter County Exhibition Ctr. 869.30 - Tax Collector, City of Dover 528.00 - Tennessee State University Office of VP, Student Affairs 3,870.00 - The Depot 615.25 - The Progressive Democrats Political Association 3,000.00 - Top Job Services 7,196.00 - Town of Hampton Attn: Finance Department 4,628.96 - Town of Hanover 528.05 - Town of Minden 875.00 - Town of Peterborough 750.00 - Treasurer State of Iowa Iowa Department of Revenue 1,727.80 - Union League Club of Chicago 5,477.72 - United Parcel Service 20,060.57 - University of New Hampshire Central Admin. Bus. Svce. Ctr. 505.68 - Virginia Employment Commission 985.74 - Voter Activation Network 10,050.00 - Waters Catering, Inc. 2,914.64 - Winnacunnet Cooperative School District 4,411.05 - YWCA of Manchester 600.00

[donheld]

1. oh my,

Makes you wonder who they did pay. If they paid anybody.

[Debi]

5. They paid their friends n/t

[Saturday]

16. Bullshit, Anne Lewis is on the list to be paid. n/t

[Debi]

21. There's a zero behind her name

:eyes: just like Wes Clark.

On edit:

Here you go:

<snip>

Lewis, Ann 0.00

<snip>

Wesley K. Clark & Associates 0.00

++++++++++++++++++++++++

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M2/C00431569/D_DEBTS_C00431569.html

[hughee99]

33. I'm sure she'll make sure to pay off her own loan, with interest. n/t

[Debi]

45. Yep, her contributors are now paying her (with interest!) n/t

[Stephanie]

38. These consultants got paid >>>

Well, not all of them.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4726228

[Captain Hilts]

2. It takes winning campaigns YEARS to pay their campaign debts. Standard. nt

[Eurobabe]

4. IIRC Clark's campaign had debt for a couple of years

past 2004. It's sad when an ordinary guy has to suck up the remainder. It's not like he is loaded or anything.

[Debi]

8. Winning campaigns don't pay their taxes?

I don't think so.

Big mail vendors and media monsters can afford to put $$ into accounts receivable, but young staffers and small town caterers (and YWCA's and Boys and Girls Clubs) can't wait for that money.

Winning campaign? Go over a see what debt Obama owes. They didn't stiff the 'little guys' and I'd say they're winning right now.

[cali]

19. really? provide some links that that's true.

and what about losing campaigns? Why are they different? Howard Dean paid off his campaign. John Kerry paid off his. I think you just made that up out of whole cloth.

[Captain Hilts]

27. I worked in polling for prez. campaigns that took YEARS. The one exception was Bush-Cheney 2000.

Same patterns for losers.

[cali]

31. Then why does Obama's campaign

owe so much less? How did Dean manage? What about Kerry? Sorry, what you're saying doesn't seem to hold up- at least not universally.

[Debi]

34. Actually Obama's debt is $1.1 million

Of course he has over $20 million COH that is available for the primary AND he has only $16,000 in debt for Iowa so his debts are being paid w/in 30 days of being incurred (just like any average person has to pay their debts).

There is nothing wrong with carrying SOME debt as long as the campaign is actually paying their bills - but the Clinton campaign has debts that are from last summer and MUCH WORSE is their unpaid staffers and unpaid taxes and unpaid insurance bills!

Here's Obama's list of debts:

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M2/C00431445/D_DEBTS_C00431445.html

[cali]

39. Thanks, Debi

that makes a lot of sense. I stand corrected.

[Debi]

43. But not - you are spot on

The Obama campaign is being responsible with how they spend their money and incur their debt. The Clinton campaing? Incurring HUGE amounts of debt, only paying their friends first and leaving college students/small towns to eat the rest (or wait for scraps).

[Dogmudgeon]

47. You can check for yourself

http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/srssea.shtml

Check out the latest.

John Edwards owes $9 million. Howard Dean still owes $30k. Wes Clark owes nearly $221k.

Bill Clinton still has about $400k of debt.

Mike Huckabee only owes $54k. Mitt owes over $42 million. McCain is in over $5 million.

Debi has achieved a new low in gloating, PWNing, and nyah-nyah.

--p!

[Debi]

48. None of those folks went in front of the media and said

"My staff is NOT working without pay". Only Hillary Clinton did.

[Debi]

36. But most pollesters aren't college students who are living paycheck to paycheck

and when caterers and school districts don't get paid their loss is passed on to their other clients and families.

Please name one campaign that didn't pay their taxes?

[bvar22]

How long does it take the LOSING campaigns to pay?

That would be a more approipriate guideline for the Clinton campaign.

[Eurobabe]

3. Wow, that's some list.

She'll just write them an IOU, "sorry, you'll get your money after I buy donuts for OH and TX."

[Debi]

9. What happens to us when we don't pay our electric bill? our phone bill?

when do we get to leave the grocery store with an "I'll get you later"?

[Divernan]

6. How the hell can they owe Big Insurance, Aetna Healthcare, $213,000?

nt

[Debi]

11. AND Blue Cross Blue Shield over $200,000? n/t

[Divernan]

18. If it was health insurance for campaign staffers, is Big Insurance

letting Clinton get by without paying. As some one suggested, to get around donation limits?

The way MY insurance works - health, homeowners, auto - is that if I haven't paid my premium, the policy is canceled and any claims for injuries/losses suffered when the premium hadn't been paid are not going to be paid by the insurer.

[Debi]

23. Yep, the same if I don't pay my taxes, electric bill, for my groceries

:eyes:

[sam sarrha]

29. probably liability for campaign headquarters.. protection from accidents, real or perpetrated

[Debi]

37. Blue Cross Blue Shield is healthcare n/t

[samdogmom]

7. Here's what I don't get--why don't these vendors INSIST on cash up front?

I was a media buyer YEARS ago. You could NOT run a political ad unless you paid for the time BEFORE the ad ran!

Unless you're a big campaign supporter and willing to lose the money if the campaign can't pay your bill, why wouldn't most insist on Cash Up Front like the media does?

Gives me a bit of pause--maybe this is a way to skirt campaign donation limits! Who knows!

[Debi]

12. Couldn't Penn buy the ad time and tack his commission on to the debt?

[samdogmom]

17. Yes--absolutely. But bottom line someone paid for the space and time up front!

It would humor me to learn that Penn's firm will get stuck with these media bills!

Actually, on edit: I don't think Mark Penn had anything to do with the advertising--that's Mandy Grunwald. She may get stuck with these bills.

Mark Penn is a "pollster". (Whatever!)

[Debi]

24. I think Penn and Grunwald will be paid eventually

it's the small vendors and staff that will get shafted and ignored.

[samdogmom]

35. Totally agree--and that's why in the future they need to adopt a "cash up front" rule, too!

Otherwise, it really is just a back door campaign contribution.

[dailykoff]

10. "Sale & Pepe Fine Foods & Gourmet Pizza $2,492.63"

So where did that $130 million they blew through in one month GO, anyway? :shrug:

[Debi]

15. This caterer was paid AFTER filing a small claims suit against the campaign

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4724861&mesg_id=4724861

[dailykoff]

46. Thanks. The folly would be laughable if it wasn't so scary.

What can they be hoping for at this point except for a tragedy? And the fact that they've benefited from tragedies before (OKC, 911) makes it scarier.

[Saturday]

13. Or perhaps you could help Obama out by paying....

the Rochester Opera House City Hall the 2,010.00 he owes them.

[Debi]

20. Obama owes $1.1 million in debts - here's the list

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M2/C00431445.html

AB Data 226,586.70
AIG American International Group 908.00
AT&T 4,090.72
Audio Visions 4,487.00
Audio Visual West Inc. 2,191.64
AVF Consulting 1,440.00
Boston Park & Recreation Dept 820.00
CommerceTel 3,010.94
Continental Business Systems 4,217.68
Continental Colorcraft 2,842.64
Corporatation Service Company 1,300.68
Dollar Rent A Car DTG Operations, Inc. - BOK 20,832.31
FLX 2,685.70
Garner Printing 8,933.14
Global Parking System of IN 2,000.00
Human Rights Campaign Fdntion Equality Center 579.40
Impact Printing 642.00
Iowa Telecom 712.75
IPC International Corporation 1,050.00
Ironwood 1,193.03
Meyer Associates Teleservices 124,781.42
Microsoft Corporation 12,451.17
Parking Productions John Dent, Inc. 1,706.60
PDQ Printing 68,054.66
Perkins Coie 44,437.22
Premiere Global Services 16,133.80
Production Design Associates 6,212.21
R & T Electric, Inc. 1,918.92
Rochester Opera House City Hall 2,010.00
SGW Teleprompter Solutions 3,423.50
Soapbox SBX 3,639.13
Spielman's Event Services 17,160.47
The Mailing Center 1,725.00
The Strategy Group 393,492.05
Town of Dover Office of the Assessor 540.00
US Cellular Center 14,958.12
Verizon 98,620.53
Worley Printing Co, Inc. 974.26

Yep, that's the entire list of debt and only two of the vendors are from Iowa (Jan 3rd) - AND NO STAFF OR TAXES OWED!

[Divernan]

22. Edited: What's the total on Clinton's campaign's debts?

nt

[Debi]

25. Through January 31st - $7.6 million + the $5 million loan (with interest)

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M2/C00431569.html

[Scurrilous]

14. Hillary...

...ready to pay her campaign debts on day _________?

[Debi]

26. Kind of feels familiar doesn't it? n/t

[Dogmudgeon]

32. Familiar? You bet!

Only last time it was about a blowjob.

--p!

[Debi]

49. I guess they each have different ways of screwing the voters n/t

[Dogmudgeon]

51. You said it, not me. This is all about the Clenis, isn't it?

What was that about changing the mindset?

--p!

[Debi]

54. This is about Hillary Cliton telling lies to the media and America

If is sounds familiar to you, so be it.

[Divernan]

28. Tucked in there is "Mandarin Oriental" for $4800 - 5 star luxury hotel chain

And you know the thing is, if the candidate herself stayed there, the big hotels tend to comp celebrities. So I'm wondering if this was Penn or senior staff. Whomever, it's quite extravagant. I don't expect them to stay in Motel Six. But if you're working a campaign, you just need a place with a good bed to crash, cause you're putting in 18 hour days. The local Marriott should have sufficed. It's really a waste to stay in a 5 star luxury hotel.

[Debi]

40. Sorry, tells you what I know...

I thought it was a smal-town restaurant (we used to have a restaurant named the Mandarin here in Waterloo) x(

[Stephanie]

42. she can't accept a comp

it would be classified as a contribution -

[Debi]

44. Better than an outstanding debt n/t

[Dogmudgeon]

30. Obama's reported debts

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M2/C00431445/D_DEBTS_C00431445.html

AB Data 226,586.70
AIG American International Group 908.00
AT&T 4,090.72
Audio Visions 4,487.00
Audio Visual West Inc. 2,191.64
AVF Consulting 1,440.00
Boston Park & Recreation Dept 820.00
CommerceTel 3,010.94
Continental Business Systems 4,217.68
Continental Colorcraft 2,842.64
Corporatation Service Company 1,300.68
Dollar Rent A Car DTG Operations, Inc. - BOK 20,832.31
FLX 2,685.70
Garner Printing 8,933.14
Global Parking System of IN 2,000.00
Human Rights Campaign Fdntion Equality Center 579.40
Impact Printing 642.00
Iowa Telecom 712.75
IPC International Corporation 1,050.00
Ironwood 1,193.03
Meyer Associates Teleservices 124,781.42
Microsoft Corporation 12,451.17
Parking Productions John Dent, Inc. 1,706.60
PDQ Printing 68,054.66
Perkins Coie 44,437.22
Premiere Global Services 16,133.80
Production Design Associates 6,212.21
R & T Electric, Inc. 1,918.92
Rochester Opera House City Hall 2,010.00
SGW Teleprompter Solutions 3,423.50
Soapbox SBX 3,639.13
Spielman's Event Services 17,160.47
The Mailing Center 1,725.00
The Strategy Group 393,492.05
Town of Dover Office of the Assessor 540.00
US Cellular Center 14,958.12
Verizon 98,620.53
Worley Printing Co, Inc. 974.26

Notes:

1) Obama's debts are listed consolidated by company. Total = $1,102,763.39

2) Hillary's debts are expanded into accounts. Total = $7,576,700.48

3) You can do $6,473,937.09 worth of ridiculing, gloating, and dog-piling for the month. Yes you can.

--p!

[cali]

41. I was just informed

that Obama's campaign is paying off their debts within 30 days. Hillary still has debts from last year. And no one has had to sue Obama's campaign to get paid- or shame them into it. That seems like a significant difference, no?

[Dogmudgeon]

50. Quite significant. Character counts. Right?

And have you checked on the other candidates? I replied to another of your posts with a link.

The next time someone whines that Hillary "will do anything to win", I'll send them here to show them how winners act. They pay their bills on time, brag about it, and ridicule their rivals. But that's politics, ain't it?

Ridicule ... shame ... hmmm ... Team Obama at DU uses that word quite often.

--p!

[Debi]

55. So now paying your bills on time is now a character defect?

:rofl:

[Dogmudgeon]

59. Nope. Ridicule is.

By the way, if you've ever been dirt poor, homeless, or had gotten financially wiped out (say, from illness or crime), you would probably NOT be trying to convince people of the moral superiority of prompt settlement of debt, especially in under 30 days.

It's good to be king. Be glad you've had an easy life. Hillary will cope with your ridicule. The poor may not.

Remember them? Poor people?

--p!

[Debi]

61. Ha! Realy? Comparing a campaign that spent $130 million and left with $7.6 million in debt

to a poor and homeless person? Are you kidding?

Obama's campaign managed their money better - they should be rewarded for that. Clinton campaign didn't and then told the media and America lies about it. They should be called on it.

Unless the Clinton campaign was robbed (except by Mark Penn) or in a natural disaster your post is bullshit.

[Dogmudgeon]

77. You still don't get it, do you?

All that matters to you is that Obama PWNs. I'm not even going to hope that you can substantiate these lies you claim Hillary makes. You never do. You can't un-poison a well. And you wouldn't try anyway.

Your mind is made up -- Hillary is evil. Her defenders are bullshit. Everything you say about the Clinton campaign is the Word of an Angry God, and all others must STFU. We are The Enemy and may be lied to, tricked, or destroyed. Bill hurt your feelings in 1998 and vengeance is yours.

So much for all that soaring rhetoric about Changing the Mindset. When does the Hope arrive? Sometime after the snarky posts, the gloating, and the poison bottle is empty?

Sometime? A long time.

--p!

[Debi]

78. No, YOU don't get it

Clinton lied. Period. I didn't make it up. She lied. She held a press conference and lied. She didn't pay her staff. Then she held a press conference and said she did. That is a lie.

I'm pissed b/c she failed to pay people I know, people who worked here in my state, but she had no difficulty saying she paid them. She didn't pay them. She failed to pay for venues in my town - now if my local party tries to rent the spot or a local campaign tries to do so they'll pay more to cover the loss thanks to the Clinton campaign. She failed to pay several Hy-Vee stores - that's my local grocery chain - I will end up paying for that loss as well in higher prices.

She lied.

Do YOU get that?

[Dogmudgeon]

84. Okay, you've convinced me.

As much as I admire Amitai Etzioni, I don't believe in "public shaming", I believe in direct action. We can fight over the public hatefest against Clinton later. This one requires intra-party solidarity.

I'm writing to Hillary For President, my Democratic Senator (Casey-PA) and Chairman Dean about this. If there are other people who should be made aware of this, let me know, although I won't participate in an effort to destroy Hillary's candidacy. If you send me an e-mail address you use, I will send you a CC. Alternately, I can post it here, whichever you prefer.

I don't particularly care about anyone making the phone company wait for payment, but for a small business, anything 90 days past due isn't just a debt, it's an injury.

If you have details I can cite, post them or send me an email or IM. But make doubly sure that there are no embellishments or errors of fact. One clean reference is better than ten clean refs with a turd unwittingly thrown in.

I'm sick and tired of the Hillary hatred, but if Hillary needs to be made aware of lapses in her campaign's dealings with vendors, she should hear it from her supporters as well. One of my big gripes with her campaign has been the sloppiness of Patti Doyle-Solis and Mark Penn. They may be good people, but sloppy bookkeepers shouldn't run political campaigns. And it's up to Hillary to straighten out the mess.

In case you were wondering, I was one of those people who had to deal with "public shaming" over debts. Medical problems wiped me out in less time than it took my landlord to begin eviction proceedings, and destroyed several years of my savings. Then, the phone calls and small-town gossip started. Likewise, I won't tolerate the abuse of small creditors by big organizations, especially those I'm affiliated with. And I'm confident that Chairman Dean will see it that way, too.

--p!

[Debi]

85. Check your PM

d.

[sniffa]

52. Worst campaign ever

Too bad she supported the new bankruptcy laws, as now it will be harder for her campaign to declare bankruptcy and be released from their debts.

[Debi]

56. You mean release her from paying the college kids that worked for her in Iowa?

That's class!

[NoodleyAppendage]

53. Hillary Clinton DEBTOR Candidate. Perfect Summarization of Her FAILURE.

I love it! And, why again are we to think she's the better candidate? How will she run the economy, if she can't even pay her bills!!!!

J

[Debi]

57. More important is her telling lies to the media about paying her bills

remember the press conference? the admission about the $5 million loan? The "my staff is NOT working with out pay"?

[blogslut]

58. Her campaign needs to supply a full accounting

And tell the public whether or not these people have been paid.

[Debi]

62. We'll find out in March

Of course then there will be a whole need list of debtors.

[AZBlue]

60. OH! MY! GOD!

If she can't pay these bills and run a campaign, how is she ever hoping to run a country? This is reason enough not to support her.

[Debi]

63. I bet there is a whole list of folks that agree with you

(and I bet they are owed $$ by her campaign)

[AZBlue]

65. I feel bad for them!

I'm sure they thought "what could be a better credit risk than a presidential candidate?" And I'm sure they'll never say that again!

I wonder if when this is all over if they can go after her personally? Because the Clintons do have money - that is, if she doesn't loan it all to her campaign by then.

[Debi]

68. I'm sure with her cache of lawyers and spin meisters

that these folks won't be able to afford to go after her.

[blogslut]

64. She owes $33,750 to the DNC?

What is that for? Her original candidate fees? Obama doesn't owe anything to the DNC. At least, not for the month posted by the OP.

[Stephanie]

66. Maybe for voter lists.

that's all I can think of that she might have bought from them. State parties sell voter lists to candidates, I guess the DNC might too.

[Debi]

70. And $10,000 to the VAN which means she screwed the Iowa Democractic Party. n/t

[Rosemary2205]

67. More Democrats really need a business education.

Any time a vendor takes TERMS that means you are debt to them. My company buys on Net 90 often, and some of our vendors are Net 365. Someone would come along and say we are 3 months behind in our bills. No we aren't, we are paying according to the sales terms but TECHNICALLY it's a debt.

Our business renews our healthcare policies once a year but we pay a set monthly fee - Lets say the cost to insure all 30,000 of our employees is $180 Million for the whole year but we pay it out in $15 million a month payments -- so TECHNICALLY - on July 1 we are $180Million in debt to the insurer and on Aug 1 we are $165 in debt and so on.

Saying a campaign doesn't pay it's bills because it has a list of debts is just plain silly.

[Debi]

71. Employees work on a net-90 basis? Really?

C'mon - rent in Iowa on a net-90 (after they've left the state?) - catering on a net-90?

I don't think so.

[Rosemary2205]

76. so pick out what actually past due and or had to be sued to get

posting a big list like that, with some of those having a Zero balance and who knows what is still within net terms and what is actually past due is just silly.

I would not be surprised if she's gone into past due territory on quite a lot of her vendors. That woudld be part of the reason why she had to drop millions of her own into the campaign. But IMHO EVERY democrat deserves an honest look at who they are and what they doing. Stick with facts, not factiness.

[Debi]

80. Staff - Obama has NO staff on his past due debts

and no candidate should.

Nor should a candiate have payroll taxes on past due debt (again Obama does not)

No commuity centers, schools, YMCA/YWCAs should be on past due debt (nope....none on Obama's list)

Sure, the millionaire consultants can go months w/out payment or get on a payment plan - but college kids and Boys and Girls Clubs can't. Nor should they have to sue (which means spending their OWN money) just to receive payment.

And Hillary Clinton should not have held the press conference saying her staff was paid when they were not.

None of that is 'factiness' those are facts.

[Rosemary2205]

81. That's fine

post a list of who she stiffed. Cut out the folks on the list she didn't. Look, I'm actually an Edwards supporter who settled and voted for Obama because Edwards dropped out before my primary. I'm not a big Hillary fan, but if she were to get the nom I'd vote for her without any reservation. She's not my dream candidate but who is. I got no problem with a post outlining who she's stiffed and why and how she said something specific that was true. To me, that's fair. But this gynormous heavily padded list posted only for effect rather than facts is not right.

Just MHO.

[Debi]

82. I tried - I actually did two seperate threads

one of staff not paid and one of SOME vendors not paid. The list of debts is 19 pages long (I did my best of cutting out 0.00 and media consultants).

$7.6 million in debt is not a small list.

Here's the thread w/unpaid staff and advisors:



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4725833

I did my best to not list 0.00 or high dollar advisors (Penn - Grunnwald -etc)

[ElsewheresDaughter]

69. thank you I'm on it and I made a BIG donation in your name...Hillary says THANKS

[Debi]

73. I hope it was REAL big - and I hope it goes directly to the Black Hawk County

Boys and Girls Club - because NOBODY should shaft that organization (I guess except for the Clintons since the event held there was over two months ago)

[Vinca]

72. What a mess! How does she expect to direct the American economy? nt

[Debi]

74. I guess the same way

:shrug:

Hope you don't mind waiting.

[donheld]

75. Why donate? She can just garnish our wages to pay these bills

:rofl:

[Debi]

79. You mean the almost $500, 000 her campaign owes in insurance coverage payments? n/t

[pnwmom]

83. Oh, yes, let's spread needless suspicion and paranoia about Hillary.

That will really help Barack.

:sarcasm:

[Debi]

86. Please show me where anything in my OP is false

I'll wait here.

[pnwmom]

87. Why don't you post a comparable list for Obama? I'm sure he has some

vendors that he hasn't yet paid.