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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:29 PM
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*******OFFICIAL HILLARY MAILER THREAD********
DO you have a mailer that calls bullshit on her tantrum today? I have already seen 2 posted on the board...can you post them here?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:33 PM
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1. no just gratitude for her service to the party
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:36 PM
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2. Here's one:


NGU.


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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:38 PM
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5. Does that grammar seem off to you?
It just doesn't read right to me.

:shrug:
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:45 PM
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12. It is off. Should be "doesn't deserve."
I'm surprised I didn't catch that. Well, given the spelling and grammar skills of the Clinton defenders around here, it doesn't surprise me.

NGU.


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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:37 PM
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3. I got one in AZ that was about present votes in the IL Legislature
It was really stupid because they didn't dare include any of the votes about abortion, after being taken to task for it in NH. So this one was how he voted present on things like school bonds. I knew about the present votes thing but I don't think the average voter knew too much. People probably looked at it and went, huh?
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:38 PM
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6. Can you post it?
I think it might be good to have them in one thread.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:43 PM
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10. I think I threw mine away but I'll ask around and see if anyone has one.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:37 PM
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4. Here's The Obama Mailer
This is the e-mailer that the Republicans for Obama are spreading to the GOP.....

http://republicansforobama.org/?q=node/359


E-mail to send to Texas Republicans


Attention All Texas Republicans and Independents!!

On March 4th, Texas Republicans and Independents will have an opportunity to end Hillary Clinton's (and Bill's) presidential ambitions once and for all!

Since Texas has on open primary, Republicans and Independents should sign in at their polling place and request a Democratic ballot. They should then vote for Barack Obama. Even James Carville admits that if Hillary loses Texas, "she's done!" Republicans can help make this a reality!!! Just think, no more Clintons in the White House!

Voting Democratic this one time will have NO effect on your ability to vote in the next Republican primary or obviously on your vote in November. Since John McCain has the Republican nomination locked up, voting for McCain or Huckabee at this point will have no effect on the outcome on the Republican side.

After you vote during early voting or on March 4th, you ARE NOT done! Report back to your regular polling place at 7PM on March 4th to sign the Barack Obama list for caucus delegates. In a little known Texas voting quirk, 67 delegates to the Democratic convention will be seated because of these caucuses. This is a full one-third of the total number of Texas delegates. For Hillary to lose, she has to lose the primary votes AND the caucus votes.

I urge you to vote against Hillary Clinton by voting for Barack Obama. Please forward this e-mail to all your Texas Republican and Independent friends so that we can help ensure the Clinton's defeat on March 4th!!!
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:47 PM
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15. It makes me laugh when people here are gullible enough to believe
...that the RW is so almighty that a handful of RW vote-switching freaks can decide our nominee.

:rofl:

NGU.


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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:39 PM
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7. And here's another one
Campaign Flyer from Nevada...










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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:52 PM
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17. oh those look official!
:eyes:
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:41 PM
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8. one
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:42 PM
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9. another
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:45 PM
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13. Here's a good resource for you.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:46 PM
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14. Boom.


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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:50 PM
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16. From factcheck.org
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/youve_got_mailers.html

Forget television: Clinton attacks Obama via snail mail.
Summary
A direct-mail piece sent to voters by the Clinton campaign twists Obama’s words and gives a false picture of his proposals:

* It says he "wants to raise Social Security taxes by a trillion dollars," a big distortion. Obama has said a “good option” would be to apply Social Security payroll taxes to incomes over $97,500 a year, but that would only affect taxes paid by 6.5 percent of individuals and couples. And he hasn’t formally proposed such a move anyway.

* The Clinton mailer says Obama has "no plan" for a moratorium on foreclosures such as the one Clinton has proposed. That’s true, but Obama has his own plan for homeowner relief. The mailer leaves the impression that Obama has "no plan" at all, which is false.

* It says Obama "voted for Dick Cheney's energy bill that gives huge tax breaks to oil companies," another distortion. By the time Congress passed the 2005 energy bill, it raised taxes on the oil industry more than it decreased them and also contained billions for alternative fuels research and subsidies for energy-efficient buildings and vehicles.

Analysis
The battle between Democratic front-runners Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama isGraphic turning into one fought with good old-fashioned snail mail. Both have launched attacks on the other through fliers delivered to voters' mailboxes. Here we take a look at a recent Clinton mailer sent out in Arizona, which was posted on The Atlantic magazine's Web site. Clinton has made similar claims in a mailer distributed in Nevada and in Democratic debates.

Trillion-Dollar Tax Hike

Perhaps the most eye-catching claim in the Clinton mailer is the charge that Obama "wants to raise Social Security taxes by a trillion dollars." That's an awful distortion. Nothing Obama has proposed or supported would affect Social Security taxes paid by the overwhelming majority of workers.
Clinton Mailer on Economic Issues

Which presidential candidate will solve America’s toughest economic problems?

Only Hillary Clinton has the right solutions for America.

Hillary Clinton. A plan to cut taxes for the middle class. A comprehensive plan to end the housing crisis with a moratorium on foreclosures and a freeze in mortgage rates for at-risk homeowners. Redirect billions in oil company profits to alternative energy research to find solutions to our energy crisis and create 5 million new, good paying jobs.

Barack Obama. No plan to place a moratorium on home foreclosures. Voted for Dick Cheney’s energy bill that gives huge tax breaks to oil companies. And he wants to raise Social Security taxes by a trillion dollars.

Leadership Takes More than Talk.
Vote for Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary, Tuesday, Feb 5

First, the cap on income subject to Social Security taxes was set at $97,500. (It went up to $102,000 in January.) Obama has said he's open to raising the cap, but such a move would only increase taxes on people earning more. In fact, lifting the cap would affect taxes paid by 6.5 percent of individuals and couples, according to Citizens for Tax Justice. Second, the "trillion dollars" is an estimate of the amount of taxes to be collected over a decade and only if the cap is eliminated completely. And third, Obama has said that increasing the cap is a good choice, but he hasn't formally proposed to do so or said whether he'd eliminate it entirely or increase it to some higher level, or some other option. Meanwhile, Clinton herself has not formally disavowed the idea of raising the payroll tax cap, though she hasn't come out in support of it.

Obama has publicly supported the idea of raising the payroll tax cap on a number of occasions. In a Sept. 26 debate in New Hampshire, he said that lifting the cap was "probably going to be the best option" and "much preferable to the other options that are available." But he came just short of promising to do so:

Obama, Sept. 26 debate: I think that lifting the cap is probably going to be the best option. ... My personal view is that lifting the cap is much preferable to the other options that are available.

Later, on Nov. 11 on NBC's "Meet the Press," Obama indicated that a Social Security tax increase could fall only on those making more than $200,000 a year:

Obama, Nov. 11 "Meet the Press": I have not specified exactly how we would structure it. Conceivably, you might have the equivalent of a doughnut hole ... where you have a gap between people who are of middle income and very wealthy people.

The Tax Policy Center estimates the "doughnut hole" approach, which had been proposed by former presidential candidate John Edwards and would have left incomes between $97,500 and $200,000 untaxed, would increase tax revenue by $816 billion, also over 10 years.

During the Sept. 26 debate Clinton said she wasn't willing to talk about raising the wage cap, or any specific proposals to shore up Social Security's solvency, as long as the U.S. continued to run large budget deficits.

Here's her exchange with moderator Tim Russert:

Russert: But you would not take lifting the cap at 97.5 off the table?

Sen. Clinton: Well, I take everything off the table until we move toward fiscal responsibility and before we have a bipartisan process. I don't think I should be negotiating about what I would do as president.

Foreclosure Friction?

The Clinton mailer also draws a distinction between the two candidates' proposals to help homeowners in danger of foreclosure. It says that Clinton has a plan for "a moratorium on foreclosures and a freeze in mortgage rates for at-risk homeowners," while Obama has "no plan" for a moratorium on foreclosures. That's true. But such language might give some voters the impression that Obama has proposed nothing to address housing issues. That's false.

Obama does have a plan – it's just not Clinton's – that calls for the creation of a fund to assist homeowners in refinancing their mortgages. The fund would be partially paid for by "increased penalties on lenders who … commit fraud," according to his Web site. Clinton specifically proposes a moratorium on foreclosures for a minimum of 90 days and a freeze on adjustable rate loans for at least five years. Also, the mailer says Clinton has a plan "to cut taxes for the middle class" but doesn't mention that Obama, of course, has one, too.

Oil Slick (Again)

The mailer further charges that Obama "voted for Dick Cheney's energy bill that gives huge tax breaks to oil companies." Obama did vote for the 2005 energy bill to which Clinton refers. But as we've said more than once before, her claim that the legislation resulted in large tax breaks for the oil industry is misleading.

In fact, the bill President Bush signed into law in 2005 actually raised taxes on the oil industry overall. The nonpartisan Congressional Research Service said that the Energy Policy Act "included several oil and gas tax incentives, providing about $2.6 billion of tax cuts for the oil and gas industry. In addition, provided for $2.9 billion of tax increases on the oil and gas industry, for a net tax increase on the industry of nearly $300 million over 11 years."

Many subsidies were proposed during debate, but they didn't make it into the final
bill, which contained a total of $14.3 billion in tax breaks, most of which didn't go to the oil industry. Instead, they benefited electric utilities and nuclear power, as well as alternative fuels research and subsidies for energy-efficient buildings and vehicles.

Clinton has been consistent, however, in her opposition to the tax breaks the bill contained. She voted for the bill that originally passed the Senate, but spoke out against and opposed the final conference bill, objecting to tax provisions it included as well as the deletion of provisions to reduce oil consumption and increase the use of electricity from renewable sources. Obama voted for both bills and lauded provisions regarding ethanol, which is produced in his state of Illinois.

– by Emi Kolawole and Lori Robertson

Update, Feb. 7: In our original story, we didn't note that the Social Security payroll tax cap had increased in January to $102,000.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:54 PM
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18. AZ Mailer
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:12 PM
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19. Here's a bunch more:
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:14 PM
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