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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 09:39 AM
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Politifact rules Slacker Senator charge against Committee Chair Obama TRUE
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 10:21 AM by MethuenProgressive
PoliticFact rules Clinton charge TRUE


"He (Obama) chairs the subcommittee on Europe. ... He's held not one substantive hearing to do oversight."
Hillary Clinton on Tuesday, February 26th, 2008 in a debate in Cleveland


Dormant while Obama campaigns

In one of the more pointed barbs in a Feb. 26, 2008, debate, Sen. Hillary Clinton charged that Sen. Barack Obama has been so busy running for president that he hasn’t done much of anything as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on European Affairs.

“I also have heard Senator Obama refer continually to Afghanistan, and he references being on the Foreign Relations Committee,” Clinton said. “He chairs the Subcommittee on Europe. It has jurisdiction over NATO. NATO is critical to our mission in Afghanistan. He’s held not one substantive hearing to do oversight, to figure out what we can do to actually have a stronger presence with NATO in Afghanistan."

Obama responded: “Well, first of all, I became chairman of this committee at the beginning of this campaign, at the beginning of 2007. So it is true that we haven’t had oversight hearings on Afghanistan.”

Although Obama acknowledges the point, we sought to confirm what the subcommittee has been doing.

Congressional records show, and spokesmen for several subcommittee members confirm, the subcommittee has not held any policy hearings since Obama was appointed chair in early 2007. The subcommittee’s jurisdiction includes “all matters, policies and problems concerning the continent of Europe, including the European member states of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.”

The chair sets the agenda for a subcommittee and Obama could have asked to hold a hearing on NATO and its role in Afghanistan.

But Clinton’s claim, while technically true, is unfair, said Andrew J. Fischer, a spokesman for Republican Sen. Richard Lugar. Lugar now serves as a minority member of the Foreign Relations Committee, but he was the chair, from 2003 to 2006, when Republicans controlled the Senate. He is the ranking Republican on the committee.

Fischer, who is a minority staff member of the Foreign Relations Committee, said something as major as NATO’s role in Afghanistan would typically be held before the full Foreign Relations Committee, rather than Obama’s European subcommittee.

In fact, the Foreign Relations Committee held a hearing on Afghanistan on Jan. 31, 2008, and NATO was a part of the discussion. Obama attended a Democratic debate in California that day. Clinton is not on the committee.

The Clinton campaign put out a statement reiterating Clinton’s comments to reinforce the theme that Obama is more about talk than action.

“Given the opportunity to take the reins of leadership and shape two critical areas of U.S. foreign policy — Afghanistan and our alliances in Europe — Senator Obama has done next to nothing,” the statement said.

Obama’s campaign did not respond to a request for comment.

So let’s look at Clinton’s statement:

“He chairs the subcommittee on Europe.” Yep.

“It has jurisdiction over NATO.” Yep.

“NATO is critical to our mission in Afghanistan. He’s held not one substantive hearing to do oversight, to figure out what we can do to actually have a stronger presence with NATO in Afghanistan.” Yep.

Some may argue that the issue of NATO’s role in Afghanistan typically and more appropriately would come before the full Foreign Relations Committee. But Clinton is right when she says Obama’s subcommittee has been largely dormant while Obama has campaigned for president. We rate her comment True.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/379/
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 09:51 AM
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1. I think PoliticFact just debunked itself.
Clinton's statement says that Obama's subcommittee hasn't done enough to boost Nato's role in Afghanistan.

Obama's subcommittee doesn't cover Nato's role in Afghanistan.

PoliticFact "rules" Clinton's statement "true".

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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 09:53 AM
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2. Hmmm....I need to put on my thinking cap. That and have my first cup of coffee.
Thanks for your rebuttal post, chascarrillo.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 10:18 AM
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3. You know what it doesn't matter
Just the fact that he was made head of a committee in 2007 and hasn't had a significant meeting tells you something. It says that running for President is more important than doing the job he was ELECTED to do. He was not elected to put everything on hold while he runs for President. So, in essence, he is slacking off at a job he was hired to do, while applying for a job he really wants. I don't find that laudable in the business world, or the political world.

zalinda
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 11:30 AM
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7. I agree, zalinda!
:kick:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:08 PM
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15. !
:kick:
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 05:14 PM
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18. He did have hearings to confirm Ambassadors
and he did attend the full committee hearings before he started the heart of the political run - HRC is NOT at her meetigs either.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 10:28 AM
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5. Obama committee covers all things NATO - I don't believe you have a source that says NATO in
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 10:31 AM by papau
Afghanistan is carved out of its jurisdiction.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2007/12/29/obama_europe/index_np.html

Perhaps we could call your post another Obama campaign lie - but why bother when Obama defined sleaze when he played the race card to smear Clinton and get the AA vote moved from 70/30 to 90/10.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 11:03 AM
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6. Thanks for the great response, papau
:thumbsup:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 11:46 AM
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9. thanks
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 05:15 PM
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19. This article says:
But Clinton’s claim, while technically true, is unfair, said Andrew J. Fischer, a spokesman for Republican Sen. Richard Lugar. Lugar now serves as a minority member of the Foreign Relations Committee, but he was the chair, from 2003 to 2006, when Republicans controlled the Senate. He is the ranking Republican on the committee.

Fischer, who is a minority staff member of the Foreign Relations Committee, said something as major as NATO’s role in Afghanistan would typically be held before the full Foreign Relations Committee, rather than Obama’s European subcommittee.

In fact, the Foreign Relations Committee held a hearing on Afghanistan on Jan. 31, 2008, and NATO was a part of the discussion. Obama attended a Democratic debate in California that day. Clinton is not on the committee.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 10:19 AM
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4. Salon.com - Obama's European Problem
Salon.com - Obama's European Problem

The senator may have traveled widely, but the critically important subcommittee on Europe has languished under his leadership.

"...Should Obama wonder whether he ought to have bothered with his subcommittee, he could ask his friendly rival Joe Biden, D-Del., who chaired the Europe subcommittee for many years during the Cold War. Biden effectively exploited the chairmanship to transform himself from a junior member into one of the Senate's most knowledgeable experts on arms control, nuclear weapons, European attitudes toward America and the Soviet Union, the European Union's policies, and the role of NATO, which also comes under the subcommittee's mandate. As a result, Biden starred in Senate hearings on the SALT II arms treaties and eventually established himself as a leading national voice on foreign policy.

"I wouldn't call it a neglect of duty but a missed opportunity to explore issues that will be of fundamental importance to the next administration," says ambassador John Ritch, who served for two decades as the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's senior staffer on European affairs and East-West relations, before going on to represent the Clinton administration at the United Nations organizations in Vienna.

Ritch points out that as subcommittee chair, Obama could have examined a wide variety of urgent matters, from the role of NATO in Afghanistan and Iraq to European energy policy and European responses to climate change -- and of course, the undermining of the foundations of the Atlantic alliance by the Bush administration. There is, indeed, almost no issue of current global interest that would have fallen outside the subcommittee's purview."

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2007/12/29/obama_europe/index_np.html
Thanks to DU member Marie for pointing to this in another thread!
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 11:44 AM
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8. We were talking about this a few months ago. Glad to see the media catching up.
K&R
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 12:06 PM
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10. The Hope™ back then was that he'd Change™ by now.
Nope™
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 12:17 PM
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14. LOL
I'm still amazed that people think a guy coming out of Chicago politics, who is a sitting Senator with powerful "mentors," huge cash flow, and a powerful machine brings us "new" politics.

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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:06 PM
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24. Still no Hope™ that BO has any intention of doing his job.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:18 AM
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25. Still no hearings, still no trip to Europe...
Someone tell him watching the Travel Channel doesn't count as much as really going, would ya?
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 12:06 PM
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11. Maybe his hearings could have been as effective as Leahy's.
All this oversight is proving to be a great way to combat this criminal cabal.

Any day now they may Bush to stop disappearing and assassinating people.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 12:10 PM
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12. at least he would seen trying!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:18 PM
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16. on the stump Obama likes to tout his chair as part of his experience record...therein lies the nub
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 04:19 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 05:17 PM
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21. Are you saying the Biden and Kerry headings
are not not sufficient. Biden heads the committee, Kerry heads NE and South Asia. Last time I looked that's where Afghanistan is - not in Europe.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 12:14 PM
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13. truth in advertising
Subcommittee - Subunit of a committee established for the purpose of dividing the committee's workload. Recommendations of a subcommittee must be approved by the full committee before being reported to the Senate.

source:http://www.senate.gov/reference/glossary_term/subcommittee.htm

Committee - Subsidiary organization of the Senate established for the purpose of considering legislation, conducting hearings and investigations, or carrying out other assignments as instructed by the parent chamber.

source: http://www.senate.gov/reference/glossary_term/committee.htm


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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 05:11 PM
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17. Read the entire thing:
But Clinton’s claim, while technically true, is unfair, said Andrew J. Fischer, a spokesman for Republican Sen. Richard Lugar. Lugar now serves as a minority member of the Foreign Relations Committee, but he was the chair, from 2003 to 2006, when Republicans controlled the Senate. He is the ranking Republican on the committee.

Fischer, who is a minority staff member of the Foreign Relations Committee, said something as major as NATO’s role in Afghanistan would typically be held before the full Foreign Relations Committee, rather than Obama’s European subcommittee.

In fact, the Foreign Relations Committee held a hearing on Afghanistan on Jan. 31, 2008, and NATO was a part of the discussion. Obama attended a Democratic debate in California that day. Clinton is not on the committee.
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 05:23 PM
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22. Echo? or Deja Vu?
:shrug:
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 05:33 PM
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23. No - just that while they rule it true - the truth is that it was something that would be and was
hear in the full committee. This was a cheap shot. HRC could have left it as he had no hearings on Europe, but that is not a very sensational charge - so she made it about Afghanistan. Why?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:31 PM
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26. Hillary calls out the Slacker Senator and he damns Himself with his own words!
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