All this Obama-rama, , ..this POWER, it just is not right folks.

[liberalnurse]

I believe the Democratic Party is being seized by some unknown financial power source or some elite secret/mysterious group. I would call it a "coup d'état...Most here are overwhelmingly mesmerized by this man, Obama. This man who has actually been just an average, low profile-type junior Senator who has yet to complete his first term of Office. :wow:

We need to slow down and take control of our dreams, and think, process and make reasonable, valid decisions based upon the platform of the Democratic party.

Ask yourself who we have been fighting for the past 8 years?...Yes, *bush/cheney.....

Where was Obama the Great then? He never lead a protest, Dennis Kucinich did, Cindy Sheehan did, the Veterans did and so on. In just 60 days, Obama has gather masses of devoted minions who only chant the words Hope and Change, as if they were in a mind controlled trance. Howard Dean had Deanieac's and terrific political experience as Governor, but he never gathered more than a fraction of Obama-rama followers. Obama has never lead anyone until now, and where and the hell is he taking us anyways? I do not know and do not trust his, actually, I fear him.

This just is not right. "Snap Out Of It".

:scared: :rant:

[anonymous171]

1. I KNOW! IT WAS HILLARY'S TURN!

HOW DARE OBAMA GET IN HER WAY! He MUST have some type of conspiracy supporting him.

[liberalnurse]

5. This unknown man is taking us where?

He scares me.....He is not a well grounded spiritual leader or political hero or anything that would evoke such control of the masses. We have always had hope but this what I see now is anything but hope....It feels dangerous. It is not in balance...it is bizarre.

[JackORoses]

7. he is only unknown to those who do nothing to get to know him.

Obama is very accessible.

Have you read either of his books, by any chance?

[liberalnurse]

35. You sound like your talking about some

Spiritual Leader or your God.....Read back to yourself what you are saying..... :banghead: Snap Out Of It.

[JackORoses]

56. I could be talking about anything that is unknown

Read back what you are saying: "I don't know him well, he must be bad...He's scarey...He's must have some secret power"

Those are not rational thoughts. They are an emotional reaction based on your investment in Hillary.

When Hillary is no longer an option, you will have to try and reintroduce yourself to Barack Obama.

[Jamastiene]

207. Nobody HAS to do anything.

That is what the most obnoxious among Obama supporters don't seem to get. We are not required to vote how you think we should vote. We can vote however we wish and there is nothing you can do about it. I won't have the blood on my hands of electing someone who has done NOTHING but pander to those same types of people who have propelled us into this bloody Iraq mess.

[Steely_Dan]

257. And I assume that...

your thoughts are not based on an emotional reaction based on your investment in Obama?

-P

[BlackVelvet04]

287. Really? where is it writen she will have to do anything? n/t

[BlackVelvet04]

286. autobiographies are by there very nature self-serving...

I never look to self authored books for truth....PERIOD. Obama's books were self-serving.

[cali]

10. He is not unknown. He's been a U.S. Senator for 3 years

He was an Illinois State Senator for 8. What's bizarre are your increasingly unhinged posts claiming that he's a Trojan horse. Now that's wackyville.

[hfojvt]

33. ZOMG! That's even worse!!

He's one a them known unknowns :crazy:

[Steely_Dan]

258. 3 Years????

Wow...that is some history. Using your logic, you should have supported Joe Biden...he has over 35 years as a Senator.

-P

[Kittycat]

27. Maybe if you took a little time getting to know him, instead of whining.

Just sayin'

[democrat_nanny]

263. Because anyone who doesn't support Obama...

...just doesn't "know him" yet. Couldn't be that they've studied both candidates and made an informed choice, could it?

[cliffordu]

39. That idiot Republican't senator on Mahar last week said this very thing....

that he "isn't a known quantity, he isn't someone we know a lot about...he frightens a lot of people...."


I dunno, maybe you could read his book, as someone suggested......

[Steely_Dan]

259. His book...

is no different than a speech. I look at a track record. In this case it appears to be the 100 yard dash and not a marathon.

-P

[BlackVelvet04]

288. Oh please....

his book is self-serving.

[Saturday]

43. That's exactly why the word "cult" gets mentioned. n/t

[Tellurian]

125. Obama is a Roll of the Dice...

and...GO LIBERAL Nurse!

:hi:

[liberalnurse]

137. Well, someone has to say it.

So many here are thinking what I am will to come out and say ....It must be addressed.:hi: :loveya:

Here is my additional thought:

Where is the media scrutiny, that focused laser of the investigative press, when it comes to Barack Obama? We know practically nothing about this man, and he is presently ascending in stature to gain access to the White House.

We need to examine him closely.

My humble opinion?

I am literally praying this man does not make it to the White House. I do not want a lovely oratorical mystery man leading the free world, whom we know practically nothing about. At this critical moment, that could be political and economic suicide for the United States of America , not to mention the national security risks that could be blown wide open. We cannot afford to gamble with the future of our country.

[Colobo]

168. So, if Obama gets the nomination, what do you plan to do?

[Tellurian]

202. We won't have to do anything. Republicans are standing with baited breath..

as the Rezko Trial unfolds this week with Obama as a prime participant. If Obama gets the Nomination, he's will be destroyed by them while we sleep and they win the WH again. No Thanks!

[jgraz]

241. Yeah. At least with Hillary we KNOW we're getting someone crappy.

[PetraPooh]

271. Ditto! AND ROFL !

[jgraz]

282. Ditto? Don't you mean "Xerox"?

I both reject and denounce you, Sir!! :P

[PetraPooh]

335. Oh MY! Now I have coffee all over my desk!!! You're good!

[sendero]

151. There's a line in a favorite song of mine..

.... "and what he left behind he hadn't valued, half as much as some things he never knew".

Ever felt that way? I have, and the country does RIGHT NOW, but you and so many of you DON'T GET IT.

WE'D RATHER TAKE A CHANCE ON THE UNKNOWN THAN HAVE SOMEONE WE KNOW TO BE SEVERELY LACKING.

Try hard to understand it. Harder.

[roguevalley]

179. Get over it. He's running because he can and this is America and

millions of people of all kinds of mental accuity love what he says and what he stands for. Look it up. THere are positions everywhere. I personally wish Edwards was the candidate and I cannot wait for this fucking primary to end so that people can unscramble their brains.

[Capn Sunshine]

190. into the future, that's where

It's about time we confront the 21st century and start addressingthe myriad problems we face a Americans. Not relive the template of the 1990s which resulted inthe republican takeover of the government and media.

[liberalnurse]

203. Maybe you can share exactly what Obama's plan is for his Presidency.

How will he manage the Congress? The Democrats there, they have no backbone so they will need a strong, determined leader with clear goals to feel safe enough to risk their necks in a showdown with the republican half of Congress. McCain, he will be a bitter looser so expect real problems there. How will Obama handle the the current embedded enemy in the Pentagon, CIA, FBI, DOJ and let's not forget the Supreme Court. That's just the local DC gang. What about the media, they will slice and dice him, no disembowel him along with his wife who appears to be no Pickles.

Then, I still can't feel comfortable with the his rise to rock star status without ever earning it through proven leadership.

None of this makes sense.

Capn....You are an insightful friend. Please share if you can.

[Jamastiene]

209. He doesn't even have any leading issue he has talked about

working on. All of our past elections have been about SOMETHING. If it's not the economy, it's jobs or the economy or Social Security or something. A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything. That's what we are seeing right here. People who stand for nothing are falling for someone who could possibly be the next George W. Bush.

[liberalnurse]

215. Well said....We all need to ask the questions and vet out candidates.

Obama has never been touched, why is that? Who is protecting him?

Ya know, I vet-out the boys who want to date my daughter better than we Democrats have vetted Obama.


I like how you put it, " A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything".

[BlackVelvet04]

290. Exactly.......

I feel the same way you do. I don't know the whys of kerry and kennedy supporting him and where all his money is really coming from but we need to look behind the curtain.

[ContinentalOp]

217. I know, it sucks.

I wish he had one single issue that he could pound into the ground mercilessly until I want to gouge my eyes out. Answering questions and debating the issues is so passé. It's much more appealing when a candidate just repeats the same health care talking points over and over again no matter what question the moderator asks. Because, you know, there are a lot of problems in the world today but I can really only focus on one at a time and I would prefer a president who can just latch onto one thing and spend her whole career pursuing that one objective in the same way, ignoring any previous failures and just obsessively pushing forward on that one issue regardless of any outside input.

[jgraz]

242. And how do you think Hillary will handle Congress?

In her only attempt (HillaryCare '94) she was a miserable failure.

[Capn Sunshine]

273. Obama has political power which will increase substantially after the election

The embeds, we know that's aproblem. Know what they respect more than money? Power. The kind that comes from a public mandate. The kind that comes from throwing off the shackles of the DLC and running an open government, without lobbyist influence. There are plans, and strategies being discussed right now for what is going to happen and what is going to change. About how we need an agressive AG willing to back the power of congressional referrals. An AG who will start from day one to put things right again from a constitutional standpoint. One thing we have Bush to thank for, is his precedence for executive statements. Those will be put to use, oh yes. How will he lead? With a MANDATE. not a +1% victory, but a significant victory. That is the plan. That will drive everything else. Everyone acts like because we have so many newly activated voters and because we have captured the imagination of America's youth, that we have no experience. That's just not the case. The VP , in the mold that Cheney established, will also wield substantial power and be asiigned to develop a set of issues to address. The economy will be a significant undertaking, as will the new defense strategy to replace the disfunctional one curently in place.

Did you know Obama was involved with administering the Nunn-Lugar act regarding regulation of the remaining nukes in the former Soviet Union while a senator? Of course you didn't.
Here's a 3 year old schedule of his tours to that effect:

Friday, August 26
Senator Obama meets with Representatives of the International Republican Institute and National Democratic Institute to discuss democracy
Moscow, Russia

Obama, Lugar meet with Russian military officials
Moscow, Russia

Obama, Lugar meet with U.S. Ambassador to Russia William J. Burns
Moscow, Russia

Saturday, August 27
Obama, Lugar visit nuclear weapons storage facility
Saratov, Russia

Sunday, August 28
Obama, Lugar tour SS-24/SS-25 mobile missile elimination site
Perm, Russia

Monday, August 29
Obama, Lugar meet with Ukraine President Viktor Yushchenko
Kiev, Ukraine

Obama, Lugar attend wreath laying ceremony at Babyn Yar, the site of massacre perpetrated by the Nazis during World War II
Babyn Yar, Ukraine

Obama, Lugar meet with Ukranian political and military officials
Kiev, Ukraine

Obama, Lugar tour Central Epidemiological Station concerning biological weapons issues.
Kiev, Ukraine

Tuesday, August 30
Obama, Lugar tour conventional weapons site (Lugar and Obama are exploring the possibility of a Nunn-Lugar type program for eliminating heavy conventional weapons)
Donetsk, Ukraine

Wednesday, August 31
Obama, Lugar meet with Azerbaijan President Ilham Aliyev. Separate meeting with opposition leaders in run-up to November, 2005 legislative lections.
Baku, Azerbaijan

Obama, Lugar visit Sangachal Terminal of the Baku-Ceyhan Pipeline
Baku, Azerbaijan

Thursday, September 1
Obama, Lugar visit Interim Command Center at the Maritime Border Guard Base where they will monitor a mock interdiction of a ship that would be suspected of carrying weapons of mass destruction
Caspian Sea
Baku, Azerbaijan

Obama, Lugar meet with British Prime Minister Tony Blair
No. 10 Downing Street
London, England

Friday, September 2
Depart for United States

His plans for international relations will involve many of the people he already knows from his Senate days. They include sit-downs with the friendlies and some back channel work to reassure our international allies what America really wants now that it is loosed from the grip of BushCo.

Domestically, everyone in the campaign agrees that there will be immediate implementation of a muli-pronged plan to examine changing away from petroleum based products.Also, the infrastucture needs immediate attention.

Also, an economic stimulus plan designed to strengthen the middle class and raise many out of poverty is being drawn up. In this we certainly overlap circles with Hillary and have many of the same resources. Much of it will be top priority emergency stuff. We'll be in deep recession by January 2009 and some asses will be kicked. It will include an aggresive plan to insure children, examine the insurance system for price-gouging and reaffirm that the Constitution is referring to public health in the preamble, thus the general welfare of the public is something that the Federal Government should take a more active role in.

I could go on, but believe me, there are plans to cover every aspect of what ails us and the world. Many of us are geeks in one aspect of it or another. We know it won't be easy, but the overall plan will lend a sense of particpation and accomplishment to the American people that has been missing for a long while.

I appreciate your friendship LiberalNurse, I always have, and you know what I'm all about in the real world. Please try not to worry. We have a handle on this. Honest. :) :)

[monomach]

283. You sound CONCERNED

Asswipe.

[msmcghee]

73. Self delete - wrong place.

[BlackVelvet04]

284. your post actually showed you know nothing.....n/t

[SoonerPride]

2. Do not fear the coming Change.

Join us.

[chimpymustgo]

13. Damn...that's scary.

:scared:

[SoonerPride]

23. Why?

Fear mongering of the last 8 yeas has seeped into your brain.

The tidal wave of Change is coming.

We're taiking back our country.

Join us.

[Skittles]

248. YOU SOUND LIKE A F***ING CULT

it IS scary

[DemBones DemBones]

266. They ARE a f****** cult!

You need to kick their asses, Skittles. :evilgrin:

[JVS]

326. And the OP sounds like some kind of survivalist sitting in a fallout shelter with a shotgun

Hillary is losing, it is not the end of the fucking universe!

[liberalnurse]

28. Look at the post replies here....

It's like I'm in the Twilight Zone! This is not the discussion of Democrats.

[SoonerPride]

40. De do de do de do de do de do

The fear mongering of the last 8 years has you jumping at shadows and afraid of those who have to come to liberate us from the rethuglicans.

The long national nightmare is about to be over.

Don't fear change.

The only thing you have to fear is fear itsef, and you clearly are afraid.

Afraid of Obama?

WHY?

You are irrational and need to snap out of it.

[Hugabear]

78. Yep - real Democrats know to support their masters

Who is this uppity Obama anyways?

:sarcasm:

[Recursion]

187. I've respected a lot of your posts, but you're done saying I'm not a Democrat

I've protested at least yearly for the past 9 years (from WTO through the antiwar protests in '02 to CPWI last year). I've voted Democratic in every election since 1994 (when I turned 18).

In the end, I saw both candidates, and I trust Obama more than Clinton. It looks like a lot of voters agree with me. You have a different judgment, but you have zero right to say I'm not a Democrat for all that.

[lapfog_1]

316. I am so fucking tired of being called a cult member

and not a "true" democrat.

I am so tired of the "wait until the Rezko trial" and the "Obama has never been properly vetted" (like he is a new horse we just bought and nobody has checked his teeth), and the "what has he DONE" crap.

I didn't realize that you had to DO anything before running for President. I thought the only requirement was that you were 36 years of age and a natural born citizen of the United States... and that you get the most number of votes for the office.

And the real problem is that all of the weaknesses that they claim Obama has, the only other candidate has them too, plus a few more. Hillary does NOT have experience (Obama has spent more time as an elected official than she has). Hillary has NOT been properly "vetted" yet, she has never faced real Republican opposition for office (I bet most Hillary supporters can't even NAME her last opponent for office).

And mostly I'm tired of the insults flung at any and all Obama supporter here, we are all cultists and have drunk the kool-aid (most don't even know where this phrase came from). Hillary's all out negative attack has worked a little in slowing down the Obama ground swell, but it won't be enough for her to win, only enough to make sure that McCain wins in November. Half of the crap being spewed now on DU about Obama is coming from sources like Mary Matalin and the like, regurgitated here like they are FACTS... from known repuke liars. But it tears down Obama, so they spew it here.

It's only a few dozen Hillary supporters (I won't stoop to their level anymore and use the more common names that some use here). But it's constant. I was hoping it would all go away after Wisconsin, then after the last debate, now after next Tuesday. But even now they are gearing up for a battle all the way to the convention. Hillary needs a big win in both Ohio and Texas to get close in the pledged delegates, and that's not happening... so now a "win" for Hillary is to keep it close in Ohio and Texas, and to go on to PA. But it's not a win, it's a status quo with fewer and fewer delegates left to make up the gap. But go on she will. Not for the good of the party, but for the good of just Hillary.

[Skittles]

250. I'M GLAD I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO SEES IT, LIBERALNURSE

INDEED I AM :o

[chimpymustgo]

275. Invasion of the body snatchers...Night of the living dead...

Yikes!

[Arkansas Granny]

84. Yes, it sounds like one of those "walk towards the light" scenarios.

[vireo]

169. "Join us"

http://www.fosteronfilm.com/important/sfbodysnatch.htm

[Jamastiene]

210. It is not reassuring in the slightest bit. It's downright

creepy. Some of these people creep me out. I truly fear them. I'll be voting Absentee this go around. I'm 100% sure of it.

[JoFerret]

337. I don't go anywhere near that far

But I am unimpressed by so many Obama supporters. He seems fine. Young, inexperienced, untried and untested. A good VP is you go for that kind of thing.

But as head of the ticket? What on earth are people thinking?
Yes - better than Bush/ Cheney and McCain - but the best? No way.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

41. Yikes.

:scared:

[liberalnurse]

178. I don't have a clue what change this Obama speaks of

and what change you are telling not to fear....What is this change? All is vague and secretive.

I'd like to have some idea, tell me the action plans, directions, goals, give me a point of reference regarding this mysterious change.


What is he going to do and How will he accomplish his plan once we figure out or he tells us the plan.

[Recursion]

188. OK, that's just dishonest. Really, you're better than that.

He's been damn clear about it. The change he wants is ethics reform, contracting and law-writing transparency, and an end to the lobbyist revolving door.

You know perfectly well that's what he's talking about because he keeps saying so and frankly your dishonesty about this is very very disappointing.

[Omphaloskepsis]

191. Read.. It is on his website.. 64 pages.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

[niceypoo]

285. 64 pages of the same boilerplate stuff found on all the Democrat candidates sites

None of which Obama is articulating.

[OhioBlue]

229. omg!!

"I don't have a clue what change *this* Obama speaks of"

:rofl:

my dear nurse... please..... you're just being way too silly.

[niceypoo]

289. Obama never articulates this change

He just says the word. His supporters, like yourself, cannot articulate it either and instead put up 'say nothing' posts like the above.

[OhioBlue]

329. Have you lost all sense of humor?

I love the nurse but she's talking like Yoda.

what is the change *THIS* Obama speaks of

c'mon.

[peace13]

3. Don't worry my friend.

I feel about Hillary much the same way that you feel about Obama. So you see, however this works out it will be fine. Life is a matter of perception. Peace, Kim

[JackORoses]

4. You fear Change. It is a common tendency.

You are viewing Obama through Hillary-blinders.
How else could you see him right now except as the enemy of your team?

Trust in your fellow man. We are not deluded. We have our eyes on the Future.
You are welcome to come along.

[liberalnurse]

14. I fear Obama.

He is not to be trusted. Heck, I'd take any of the other past candidates now...Hillary could go back to the Senate...This POWER of unknown origin is not right.

[JackORoses]

51. You fear what you do not know. Take some time to try and get to know the source of your fear.

Try being objective.

Everything is unknown until you try to know it.
You have to try.

[bigbrother05]

150. Unknown origin?

You mean a Junior Senator from Illinois (strong Dem bonafides), who after spending 20 yrs working his way up through the Chicago area system (local organizer, state Senator), is thrust into the national spotlight by the DNC when he gives a riveting speech at the 2004 Nat'l Convention.

He started out his campaign by doing the hard work of finding quality people to build his staff and organization from the ground up. He overcame double digit leads by the "inevitable" Clinton campaign to work his way into the lead in the primaries.

The only "Unknown" about his financial power is that the majority comes from small donations from 1M individuals, "unknown" folks that have taken the time to get to know Obama. These are the folks that are going out to work for the campaign, they are the "unknown" endorsers that talk to their friends/families/co-workers and are powering this push to the nomination.

The "Unknown" from this is how will our nation and the world change if an administration actually listens to and supports the average working American, restores respect for America throughout the world, and moves to bring a peaceful dialog to the conflicts that separate us.

Even if you're right, that only means that the Dems will control the WH for 4-8 yrs (Nader be damned). The battle against corporate influence will still be the stiffest challenge for the average person, but it is reasonable to think our gov't will at least take their thumbs of the scales of justice.

[OhioBlue]

174. oh c'mon nurse - you're being silly.

either you're just rolling with the latest talking points or you've recently drank a couple bottles of wine.

relax.

[havocmom]

34. "Change, in and of its self, is not painful. It is resistance to needed change that hurts us"

An old affirmation card that helped me survive a very bad period of my life. I would like to get a card like that for all of America.

We CANNOT keep going the way we have, on just about ALL fronts. To refuse change is to give our lives, our children's lives, our grand children's lives over to the greedy few who devour all without ever being sated.

We CANNOT go on without change. The planet won't support such a course. And our spirits need change to flourish again.

Status quo is a no go. The few enjoying obscene power and wealth at the cost of the very lives of the many is not acceptable anymore.

[DemBones DemBones]

267. This Cult Talk is like listening to

Tom Cruise.

[cali]

6. I believe your tinfoil chapeaux

is cutting off the blood flow to those petites cellules grises.

This is beyond loony tunes.

I'm not devoted to him. I see him as a flawed candidate. Hillary is far more flawed.

He didn't do this in 60 days, and he had a lot of supporters prior to two months ago. Now he has more.

I love Howard Dean, but being governor of a state of 600,000 people isn't much more experience than what Obama has.

I'm not sure, you ever had it to lose, but your OP is bat shit crazy. You need help if you actually believe it.

[bicentennial_baby]

15. They come in several styles now!

:hi:

[RetroLounge]

143. Mocking Hillary supporters will get so many of us to your side.

you think?

:shrug:

RL

[bicentennial_baby]

144. More like mocking the overdramatic OP

[RetroLounge]

146. There's a lot of overly dramatic post here.

Make the lounge look, almost, serious.

:rofl:

:hi:

RL

[lapfog_1]

318. And calling all Obama supporters "cultists" and "kool-aid"

drinkers will get you THEIR support.

Not to mention the incessant talk about zombies, not "true" democrats, etc, etc.

Really?

Just keep it up, Hillary supporters, keep it up. You will alienate everyone with this "must tear down" the opponent AND his supporters crap.

[bigbrother05]

156. Do you carry a Stetson version?

:rofl:

[JMDEM]

230. I like the Fez! nt

[AngryOldDem]

310. ROFLMAO.

I needed that! Do you have anything in a pillbox style?

:hi:

[Guava Jelly]

127. Bat Shit Crazy rofl

That should be carved in stone.
The OP may not be Bat shit Crazy but he sure puts on a good front for being that way.

[RetroLounge]

141. So as a hillary supporter, are you saying I'm bat shit crazy?

:shrug:

RL

[Guava Jelly]

154. No but the OP is a little Kooky

I don't have a problem with Hillary Clinton supporters.(If she gets the nod I will be one to)
I don't have a problem with her either.
The OP waste his time spamming negative crap about Obama instead of positive shit about Clinton.
I am complaining about the right wing tactics that many use.
I have yet to post one thing negative about Mrs Clinton nor will I.

[RetroLounge]

158. Do you really think anything posted here really matters?

Obama is going to win, I would say now.

Most of the people here have voted already.

So no minds are going to change.

And calling the OP kooky when you are going to need her in November is slightly kooky in itself.

Just saying.

and speaking of kooky, wassup my friend? How's life?

:hi:

RL

[Guava Jelly]

165. Of course you are right..

I sometimes forget people are just blowing off steam.
I guess I have a hard time understanding why someone devotes so much time to tearing down a candidate of their own party.
Specially one that they may need to defend later.The act of that is Kooky IMHO and that is why I only post positive things about Hillary.
And I did say (after reading the OP) that I thought the person may not be Kooky but putting on a good act or something like that.
Why did I ever leave the lounge????..
I am good.
Spent the entire day painting and now I am exhausted..And I stink of lacquer (not liquor unfortunately) :mad:
I hope only the best for you and your lovely friend..
Shit I almost forgot to tell you that I hate you!! :mad: :D
(Tell her I said hello)

[RetroLounge]

180. Well, the day is still young, as far as liquor goes...

:D

I'll say hi to ms. pie for you...

:hi:

RL

[neverforget]

8. you can't handle that Clinton is not the choice of the Democrats this

year can you? I'll vote for either candidate but this is getting ridiculous. The enemy is John McCain and the Republican Party. How easy it is to lose site of that........

[liberalnurse]

21. Honestly, I fear Obama.

It's not about Hillary now....it's about all of us. This is not right...it makes no sense as it is all out of balance now.

[SoonerPride]

32. Can't you see?

Finally the PEOPLE are rising up and taking back the country......from Republicans, from lobbbyists, from corporate overloards.

Don't fear Change.

Embrace it.

Join us.

[liberalnurse]

52. That is our dream....

There is no plan issued by Obama....he is not leading anything. Obama is not about taking back our country like Howard Dean spoke of......This is empty, a con-man's trickery yet masses follow Obama blindly,........... :scared: Where is he really taking this country? Do you or anyone know? I sure don't know and I ain't going either.

[SoonerPride]

58. Read a little then.

He's got plans, panphlets, books, policy statements.

Your fears are irrational and based on nothing but fear itself.

The devil you know is better than the devil you don't know?

Wake up.

We're taking our country back.

[liberalnurse]

81. Oh for Chrissake ..........

dear, we can get pamphlets at the STD Clinic and know more about this election than what Obama as outline. Which is only a collection of inspiring sermons. No governmental leadership utilizing our Constitution.

Oh, my heart aches for you because I know you are a true believer of this false-god.

[NOLALady]

252. I am afraid of religious fanatics.

[BlackVelvet04]

293. why don't you articulate it instead of saying read shit? Probably

because you have no friggin' idea.

[Voice for Peace]

112. Have you ever worked with an outstanding manager or organizer?

What makes them outstanding is that they are able to energize, motivate, and inspire the people they're working with. I've seen a few (VERY few) people like this -- and they are exceptionally successful in accomplishing a great deal that nobody else could seem to get done. It's a gift.

I see Obama this way, that he is gifted in that regard. His agenda for this country is very similar to Hillary's and both of them acknowledge it to be so. But he has an added talent, which is to inspire people to help fix this country and help make government accountable again.

I don't think he's going to use this power for evil purposes. I trust my wild instincts very strongly when it comes to evil. My only concern is that he is human and vulnerable to the corruption that can come with power. It takes a person of great integrity and a clear conscience to avoid that pitfall. I sense this integrity in him, but that's my subjective impression.

Examine what it is you are really afraid of. Get to know more people who see something good in Obama and the potential for this country if he is elected. Some may be glassy eyed and ignorant but many more are solid human beings.

Most important don't let Fear dictate your choices in life. It's a cruel slavemaster.

[gerrilea]

45. I'd mentioned this in other posts and gotten the same lame witted responses

You can't stand this....

You Can't stand that...

Your a "holocaust denier"...

Your delusional...

it keeps going on for days...

And you are right to point this out...this "Power" is not what it appears to be...and the sheep are being lead to the slaughter house...very very scary...indeed!

[SoonerPride]

54. Fox noise has turned your brain to mush

There is nothing to fear, except fear itself.

Be strong.
Be brave.

Don't fear Obama or Clinton or anyone else.

hat's what the rethuglicans want, is for us to cower in fear over everything.

BS to that.

[gerrilea]

65. I deleted the Fox Channels, all of them from my programming line-up

I will not support the corporate brainwashing...

I think if my mind has turned to mush as you say, it's because I've been posting on DU too long...

[SoonerPride]

67. Maybe so, but there is nothing to fear in either candidate

That is simply crazy talk.

[gerrilea]

79. I thought so too, but everyone around here seems to be acting

like they aren't themselves, maybe crazy, but I've been a member for 4 years and some of the crap recently is frightening...to say the least...

Rationally questioning this shouldn't be considered crazy...

[SoonerPride]

82. It's called a Movement

Only periodically in history do the masses feel compelled to actually rise up and toss off the shackles of oppression.

You shouldn't fear Revolution.

It's in your blood.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

276. Oye.

Those words would pack a much bigger punch if spoken by someone to actual other people, IN PERSON. Otherwise, they sound like a vague, yes, "cultish" chant.

I have no problem with Sen. Obama, but you are looking at an MSM driven POTUS election as the roots of a "revolution".

Do you even understand the dynamics of a true revolution? For instance, that it is not driven by high profile, media created leaders, but from the ground up with eventual infiltration into the the hierarchy?

This is the kind of post to which the OP is referring. Trite and cliched phrases, alluding to "revolution" without having an understanding of the word.

[BlackVelvet04]

294. a movement is what you have in the toilet in the morning.......n/t

[Shoedogg]

317. I'd hardly consider...

...voting for either of the two candidates the media has forced on us as "the masses up and off the shackles of oppression."

There's no "Revolution" (capital R or otherwise) happening here.

I think, regardless of the eventual nominee, there are going to be many people around here feeling shocked and betrayed by the amazing lack of change either candidate will bring as president.

I don't want a McCain presidency.

I am a firm believer that any Democratic candidate is a better choice than any Republican.

I'm not pro-Hillary.

I'm not pro-Obama.

I'm in Columbus, Ohio. I vote Tuesday.

I still don't know what my choice will be.

I do know that this "do not fear us, join us" thing is creepy, but I can't assure myself that it's not just my perception. What I *feel* isn't always right.

Someone around here has a sig line, I think, that goes something like, "the stupid are always 100% certain - the intelligent, filled with doubt." (I'm paraphrasing, and I'm almost certain something more diplomatic than "stupid" was used.)

I guess, I just don't understand how all of you (on both sides) are so SURE.

Shoe.

[Steely_Dan]

261. EXACTLY...N/T

[NorthernSpy]

193. if, while arguing against Obama, you're being called a "Holocaust denier"...

... maybe the problem is you.



Just a thought.

[gerrilea]

270. Nope, I know that when people degrade and attack the messenger and

not the message, then...it's their problem...so, in your logic if I don't like Obama, then I deny the holocust? How's this compute?

[geek tragedy]

88. Scary black man alert!

Make sure to clutch your handbag when he comes on the tv.

[Dinger]

91. Don't Fucking Start That Shit

[ronnykmarshall]

93. That's fucking load of shit.

Oh so anyone that doesn't support Obama is a racist?

You are full of shit.

[geek tragedy]

111. No, just old white women who are 'afraid' of him.

Give me a fucking break.

[TheWatcher]

186. Geek, I've often wondered. Do you plan these displays of stupidity in advance, or do you just make

them up as you go along?

[ronnykmarshall]

204. You don't know shit.

Keep reaching to try and justify anyone that doesn't support Obama.

[Jamastiene]

212. Hitler wasn't a black man, but

he was mighty damn popular among the people and he certainly changed the world, for the worse. This has nothing to do with race, so take your race card and put it back in the deck.

[jgraz]

243. So now Obama = Hitler?

:crazy:

[NOLALady]

253. So,

you believe Barack may try to eliminate all non Christians?

Is that the reason for your fear?

[NorthernSpy]

278. Godwin -- you lose.

:hi:

[lapfog_1]

319. But play the Nazi card...

yeah, that's the ticket.

Obama is just like Hitler... they both speak passionately and both could draw huge crowds. Ego, they are the same thing!

Take your cultist Nazi card and stick it!

[Steely_Dan]

262. That is completely unnecessary...

"Scary Black Man Alert?" How dare you? I have fought for minority rights for since late 60's. I happen to think the OP is right on. It is YOUR kind of post that is SO frightening. Can't you see that?
-P

[NorthernSpy]

279. you're getting shit for it, but...

Make sure to clutch your handbag when he comes on the tv.

:spray:


Just couldn't help laughing at that.

[Zachstar]

131. Then you need help. In my view

In my view

[gerrilea]

24. Where in the post does she imply or say this!

[neverforget]

36. See post 21 "I fear Obama" .....

[liberalnurse]

57. Thank You for validating.

We are in deep shit!:scared:

[neverforget]

69. validating what? In deep shit because of what? people don't agree with

you and only YOU know who's best?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

122. You're Wrong. Hillary Has Actually Gotten The Support Of Democrats More Than Obama.

If you're going to say something like that, you should probably get your facts straight first.

Those registered as Democrats, have supported Hillary over Obama, so your post makes you look foolish.

[neverforget]

197. The only one who looks foolish is you with your post. get my facts straights?

I see the enemy as Republicans not fellow Democrats. So getting support in open primaries from people other than Democrats is bad?

Forgot to add that I would vote for Clinton if she is the nominee......

[BlackVelvet04]

297. Well, duh, she's a democrat.....

why are all the non-democrats supporting Barack? I know, he's just so fucking cool and inspiring. if you believe that shit I have to land to sell you.

[Melinda]

327. I'll tell you why my soon to be ex-husband, the republican, is voting Obama

And once I've posted, I'm off this crazy ass thread, so need to reply.

He hates the Clintons, despises them with all his soul. His hatred for them and his love for Rush and Boortz and the first 5 years of the Bush presidency helped to bring about the end of our marriage.

And then the cluster-fuck that Iraq became in Bush's second term... the growing number of American and Iraqi casualties... the rising cost of oil, the impact outsourcing jobs had on his business, and the fact that he had a thriving, successful business when Bush seized power, he has now closed his business and gone to work for another at less than half his previous earnings. And the kicker is that he can't file bankruptcy to escape the credit debt accrued over the last few years of trying to save his business.

Obama had no hand in any of the policy making and legislation that led to the end of his livelihood. It doesn't matter to him that his business made healthy profits in the 90's... as a Southern Republican, he hated Bill and Hillary then, and he will never, ever vote for Hillary.

If Hillary gets the nomination, he is voting Republican despite his opposition to McCain on the war and the continuation of Bush policies.

And if Obama gets the nomination, then my soon to be ex-husband will be voting democrat for the first time in his 52 years, and he'll be casting his ballot for Obama.

[BlackVelvet04]

331. and I care, why? n/t

[Melinda]

332. You asked "why are all the non-democrats supporting Barack?" Dumb me to accept your ? as genuine.

Won't happen again. :eyes:

and another one meets ignore, another one meets ignore... and another one down, and another one down...

[lapfog_1]

320. I saw your OP on this...

it was so full of factual errors and speculation that even the original authors said that "it was difficult to determine". Not to mention that fact that we will NOT win in November if all that we can count on is the Democratic base. We must appeal to independents and, gasp, a few moderate republicans. Obama has shown he can do this, Hillary... not so much.

So EVEN if true, I see it as a positive for Obama, not a negative as you do.

[Omega3]

135. she is the choice of real dems, look where he's won, in open

primaries with a Repub race over : KS, NE, ND, ID, AK, LA, AL, GA, SC wit the help of alot of repukes voting for him.

the enemy is an unknown , non-descript jounior senator who was agaist the war before he actually had to vote on it in the US Senate. Mr. I don't take money from lobbyists and pacs when it's a BALD FACED LIE. check out his record on Abortion and gay rights, I have NO FAITH that he'll appoint the kind of judges we need. He is a scary unknown.

hope and change, yep, because he's got no experience and no record to run on.

[neverforget]

200. Yep every race that Obama has won has been an open one! yep!

sure is! :eyes: I guess those states don't count either only the ones Clinton wins do! Since he wasn't in the Senate at the time of the vote, I guess that means he's disqualified too. I was against the war too before the vote but I didn't cast a vote so that must mean that I can't hold that view....

[NOLALady]

251. Louisiana has a closed primary.

Is Obama more frightening than McCain?

[John Q. Citizen]

The DLC is on their way down. And I say "Good riddance!" It's about time.

Your fear of Obama comes across loud and clear daily.

I think the DLC fear him also.

[monktonman]

9. Your making me late for work......

had to sign on just to tell you how totally fucking ridiculous you sound.

"I believe the Democratic Party is being seized by some unknown financial power source or some elite secret/mysterious group. I would call it a "coup d'état..."

Have you been smoking crack?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

25. Wasn't that the DLC in the first place?

:rofl:

[gerrilea]

11. My goodness, someone with some sense!

God bless ya! And I agree...it's like some horror movie that the main characters, meaning us, can't see the monster around the corner...

It is very frightening...'BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS", "HE WILL HAVE POWER OVER THE MASSES!"
:eyes:

[cali]

22. ooh, someone else joining the OP in paranoid delusions

Anyone who believes that Obama is the trojan horse for a secret cabal needs serious psychiatric intervention and medication.

[gerrilea]

29. Are you following me around today?

Throwing insults is your only weapon!

[cali]

42. don't be paranoid

I posted in this thread before you did.

[gerrilea]

50. you posted in response to my post...or am I seeing things too?

[liberalnurse]

64. I have that one on Ignore.

Did the same kind of stalking of my posts.

[gerrilea]

76. I haven't quit figured out how to do that, only been a member for 4 yrs

Give me a couple more yrs posting, I'll figure out the ignore option...thanks for the insight...

[Jamastiene]

214. Easy instructions.

Look at the nasty stalker's name in any of their replies to you and look to the right of their name. You should see this:


Click that then click submit on the page that comes up after you click it. It makes resistance to the cult much easier.

[Zachstar]

133. Agreed

This post has revealed that some of the Bad Clinton Supporters are simply batshit crazy.

This is beyond sick now.

[liberalnurse]

89. Thats the one.

He has arrived and is rising to the top.

[blonndee]

96. Are you seriously saying you think Obama is the ANTI-CHRIST?

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[Jennos20]

216. It kinda crazy that you say that..

because I was talking to my sister the other day about politics, and she said to me that Obama is "the beast within". Apparently she was talking to people at the church she goes to, and they were saying he matched all the criteria in the Left behind books. So she pretty much thinks Obama is the anti-christ. It's crazy that people are saying this.

[blm]

12. You want us to return to COZY POWERSHARING of Bush-Clinton-Dubai and Saudi royals

and the BCCI agenda when we have a CHANCE to have open government?

You have GOT to be kidding. Read the gawddam National Security Archives that are available to EVERY CITIZEN - do your duty as a citizen before you even ATTEMPT to analyze today's politics and advise others.

[Johnny__Motown]

16. Let Me Guess.... A Vast Right Wing Conspiracy? John Kerry had this guy speak at the convention

SNAP OUT OF IT

[Alexander]

95. And we all know what a right-winger John Kerry is.

:eyes:

[DemBones DemBones]

268. Well, Kerry did vote for the IWR and the PATRIOT Act,

didn't stand up to the Swiftboaters, and conceded the "election" a bit quickly. Edwards didn't want him to concede then, but Edwards is not a Bonesman like Kerry and Bush. How do we know it wasn't just a game, a game that Kerry willingly threw? How do we know that Obama isn't a stalking horse for GOP interests?

There's not a lot of difference between the parties except they read from different scripts. The Dems control Congress but can't get their shit together to DO anything.

[Alexander]

328. Yeah, I'm sure Ted Kennedy and Russ Feingold would support a right-winger.

:rofl:

Gimme a break.

[TwilightGardener]

17. Good Christ--I just see him as a fairly honest, bright, capable guy

who has good ideas and an inspiring vision for the country. I see a very competent leader in him, who will be better at unifying our various factions in this country and getting things done. You're taking this hype way too seriously.

[flyarm]

18. why i think i am going to sell obama pom poms..i could make a bundle off the kool aide drinkers!! eo

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

19. Quick, everybody, buy stock in Alcoa!

[Thepricebreaker]

20. The matrix has you ;)

[countingbluecars]

26. Change is hard.

You'll adjust.

[Name removed]

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[CyberPieHole]

31. Haven't you heard? Michelle Obama is ASHAMED OF AMERICA. Join the Obama train and show your SHAME!

Without Obama, America can never rise above SHAME. ONLY Barack Obama can make Americans PROUD again.:eyes:

:kick: and rec

[jgraz]

244. DUzy!!!

Oh wait, you were serious with that shit? :wow:

[ProSense]

37. Obama is more experienced at running a campaign and being an elected official than Hillary,

says Bill Clinton:

Rounding out a long day of campaigning across Northern Ohio on Friday, the former president told audiences in small college gyms that he's still adjusting to life as a candidate's surrogate rather than as the candidate. "I always have a little trepidation at these events, but I love doing this because Hillary campaigned for me from 1974 until I left the White House," he told an audience in Wooster. "She never ran for public office until 2000, so as you can see I'm still a few years behind I'm trying to make up."

At his fifth and final event in New Philadelphia, Clinton broke away from the podium and was a bit more candid on the subject. "She never held any elected office, until she was elected to the senate in New York in 2000," he said. "She was a public servant all her life, but has a very unusual life and I think one of the most interesting misconceptions that is put out there is that somehow she is typical politician and her opponent, who's been in a lot more elections, is different. She is a lifetime public servant, but a recent elected official, and a darn good one."

Obama has run in six elections in the past 12 years, including his state senate days and a run for congress against Bobby Rush. This is Clinton's third race, including her two senate wins.

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[msongs]

38. you MUST embrace Chri..obama nt

[gerrilea]

53. oppss..was that a slip of the typing finger we just saw...

:toast:

[Turn CO Blue]

44. This is just ridiculous. You truly need to snap out of it.

And quit being so melodramatic. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are both EXTREMELY flawed! They both pretty much suck (imo)- EXCEPT for both of them being approximately 10,000,000 times BETTER than anybody the Repubs can offer up.

Get over yourself and your creepy post.

I swear -- where are the critical thinkers?

[K Gardner]

46. THREE MORE DAYS !!! THREE MORE DAYS !!!

[WillyT]

99. Dear Gawd... Please Let It Be Over !!!

:banghead:

:hi:

[lapfog_1]

323. Hate to tell you this, but no matter what happens on Tuesday

there will be months more of this.

Hillary got some money in... $30M. so now it's all the way to the convention.

Expect lawsuits everywhere (Texas over the caucus, Florida and Michigan to seat their delegates, and probably more in the offing).

Expect more negativity and scorched earth policy... ensure that even IF Obama wins, he loses the general so that Hillary can run again in 2012 (just like the Clinton's did very little to support Kerry, and quite possibly did some damage to his campaign).

Expect a *lot* more of these kinds of posts here from the usual suspects.

Remember I said (right after Wisconsin) NOT to be too quick to offer the olive branch to the Hillary supporters here... and now look at what they post. Nothing but either dirt (often from right wing sources, like Mary Matalin today) on Obama, or derision on Obama supporters (they are so cult like!).

[KAZ]

47. Booga Booga!

[Name removed]

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[SoonerPride]

61. Hook line and sinker

Yep, 20 million people are deulsional and craazy, but only YOU can see the light.

You need counseling.

[gerrilea]

74. Didn't the masses "demand Christ's execution"?

So much for the masses knowing or seeing anything clearly...

[Mooney]

245. Christ didn't exist. n/t

[buff2]

75. Keep drinking the kool-aid

I'll be saying "I told you so" just like I told all the bu$h kool-aid drinkers. Everybody thought he was so great,didn't they? LOL

[SoonerPride]

153. No, since he didn't even win an election.

I worry about you.

[BlackVelvet04]

299. It's called mass hysteria....

claiming that the masses know best really isn't smart. n/t

[DemGa]

63. Indeed "embarrassing " -- this will be the operative word when people wake up ---nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

70. I thought Hillary was Jesus. There was a thread to that effect just the other day.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4692724

I've never seen anything from the Obama crowd that was quite *that* weird.

[Name removed]

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[tokenlib]

49. You..you...UPSTART!!!

How dare he indeed....:)

[dailykoff]

55. Well, he's NOT taking us into Iran, Syria, Libya,

or any other bomb target Hillary's got on her little thank-you list.

[davidinalameda]

59. it's a PLOT

OMG

[Thepricebreaker]

60. What by chance has Hillary done to "fight bush" - nothing at all.

[KLee]

62. It's being seized by the majority.....

of the American People!

[corkhead]

66. Get a life. I'll take you off ignore in a couple weeks when you've had time to come to your senses

[mckeown1128]

68. Unknown financial power source? ....

you mean the 1 million people who have donated to his campaign?

[parasim]

71. OMG! Definitely OMIHOP!!!

I thought these kinds of threads always go into the dungeon... :shrug:

[Arugula Latte]

72. The last seven years have CAUSED this groundswell for Obama.

We will not abandon hope and go with the substandard choice, Hillary, who inspires few but the Republicans to come out and vote against us.

[jpak]

77. It's a conspiracy!!!!1111 NOOOOOoooooooo!!!111

:rofl:

BTW: Obama embodies EVERYTHING Bush and Cheney ain't...

FYI

[Dinger]

80. I Just Sent You A PM Because I Am Too Chicken Shit To Chime In

That's all I'm sayin.

[rodeodance]

281. don't blame yah

[Connie_Corleone]

83. We need a boring, uncharismatic, wonky, establishment nominee.

[ClassWarrior]

85. Yeah!! Dems are S'POST to be weak and meaningless!!! Who cares...

...if the majority of Americans share our values??

:eyes:

NGU.

[Neecy]

86. okay, I'm confused here...

You say this: We need to slow down and take control of our dreams, and think, process and make reasonable, valid decisions based upon the platform of the Democratic party which is, I assume, an argument for rational, reality-based thought.

But you also say this: I believe the Democratic Party is being seized by some unknown financial power source or some elite secret/mysterious group. I would call it a "coup d'état... I do not know and do not trust his, actually, I fear him. which is the furthest thing from rational thought possible. You say you "do not know" him, yet you "fear" him. This is bizarre and disjointed reasoning, completely at odds with your plea for us to make 'reasonable' decisions.

You need help. Your Hillary obsession is making you come across as a nutter.

[gerrilea]

101. When did she say she supported hillary in her OP?

She's absolutely right to question this bizzare support "out of the blue"...

[Neecy]

123. um......

Gee, I would guess by her avatar???

Getting millions of votes is hardly 'bizarre support'. It's called democracy.

[Zachstar]

136. Right?

I guess you are batshit crazy as well?

It is one thing to call Obama supporters a cult. To say there is some kind of conspirisy is a whole different matter!

Please yall go get help! As in my view you seriously need it!

[rodeodance]

234. Yes she is---and brave to do so here.

[rodeodance]

235. nutter?--at least she is not into the SWOON

[msmcghee]

90. You are absolutely right.

What some people are saying (or thinking about) is that whoever gets the nom to become the most powerful person in the world and the banner carrier for US Democratic principles in the world - should be someone who has as much experience as possible and a proven track record supporting Democratic principles and legislation.

If we nominate someone who hasn't even completed a single term as a senator and who has never staked out a vulnerable position on any serious issues - what does that say to up-and-coming younger Democratic politicians who look forward to some day carrying the Dem banner forward for us?

It says don't worry about the hard work - that's for suckers - go for the buzz, the web presence - don't worry about actually governing and staking out positions where you could be hit later - just talk about "change" and "hope" and create a "movement" - that's all it takes - and with hundreds of millions of dollars in high-power marketing you can become the most powerful person in the world - in much the same way Pepsi or Toyota gains market-share. More important it's saying that Dem voters care nothing about loyalty and principles - it's all about emotions and belonging to a "movement". Who do you think that's going to attract to the Dem party? Paul Wellstone types or Jim Jones types?

If he is nominated several things will happen. One, John McCain could well become the next president. Not because so many repukes will turn out for him but because I predict many Dems won't turn out to vote for Obama.

At least part of that result will be because of the "movement" aspects of his campaign - which does draw in youthful voters. But also, this alienates many more mature voters who, like me, are leery of mob mentality. After reading many of the vicious Hillery-hate posts on DU by some Obama supporters here - and noting the toleration they are afforded by the mods - I have experienced the feeling that my opinion and my Democratic principles are not very welcome here - that I am really not part of DU. And if that's how many here actually feel - my reaction is then maybe they are right.

For the record, three months ago I was slightly leaning toward Hillary because of what I knew about her record - but was completely open to hearing what Obama could offer - and willing to go with whichever candidate made the most sense. Seeing the lack of substance in his platform - and especially reading posts here by Obama supporters - has turned me off of Obama completely.

Remember, it was not necessary to turn Hillary into a hateful object of scorn and a serial racist in order to support Obama. It was the preferred choice of many here - to deride and disrespect anyone not cheering for their Messiah and turn Hillery into the anti-Christ. It was unnecessary but I'm sure it was a satisfyingly religious experience for them.

Perhaps it's time that I realize that maybe I am not as good a Democrat as I thought I was when I joined DU several years ago in outrage over the 2000 election. I don't know if the party changed or I did but that's not so important. Maybe these days I'm really more of an Independent. Who woulda thunk it? Oh well, life goes on.

[Warren Stupidity]

107. I kind of think that the voters ought to get to decide.

And they have, and it seems they have decided on Obama. He wasn't my first choice, he wasn't even my second choice, but he is the people's choice and the people have spoken. I can live with that. Can you?

[msmcghee]

113. I'll be living just fine, thanks.

Did I say something about the voters not getting to decide? Sorry if I don't get your point.

[Steely_Dan]

265. msmcghee - Excellent Post...

Well thought out and an enjoyable read. You have put into words what I have felt for some time now.

-P

[mtnsnake]

92. You are so right

Obama is all an illusion. It's like the Pied Piper routine magnified a thousand times over. Only in this case he's going to lead his worshippers over a cliff and take the entire Democratic Party with him.

K&R for truth and accuracy!

[Alexander]

94. Seek help. Really. You clearly need it.

[Bucky]

97. It's frightening when our party can be taken over by a mere majority of its members.

Ooooh, scaaarrrryyy....

[Warren Stupidity]

108. very scary

imagine what would happen if we really did have public financing, if we really did have equal access to a media regulated under the fairness doctrine.

[BlackVelvet04]

301. The majority of democrats are for Hillary...

it's the independents and republicans who LOVE Obama.

[Hawkeye-X]

98. And why do you continue to have the damn "Obama Underground.God" sig

that is clearly harassment and have been alerted more than a hundred times already (I'm not the only one)

And I suggest that you read my thread about DU being DU, not just Obama Underground.

I'm going to suggest, for your health, to take a break from DU for about a week and half....

Either you'll be here, or you won't.

That's my advice to you.

Hawkeye-X

[AtomicKitten]

100. "Enough with the speeches and the big rallies! Enough with the winning!"

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

105. Yeah, screw that. We need more boredom, more Powerpoint presentations

with bullet points and that sort of stuff. None of this enthusiasm and motivation; that's for cultists and zombies. Let's get serious, people. Hope is silly. Just keep these words in mind: NO, WE CAN'T.

[AtomicKitten]

117. Bookmarked: "Let's get serious people. Hope is silly."

It takes some crotchety human being to diss hope:

[anamandujano]

102. They're like lemmings following him over a cliff.

As long as they think they're happy, I guess it's alright.

I do agree liberalnurse. The big money folks are totally in control here.

Also right, he has not even done anything approaching what Cindy Sheehan has done. He gave his big anti Iraq speech in a college constituency, so brave, NOT!

[Warren Stupidity]

109. The big money folks are totally in control here.

Reality, meet another divorcee.

[anamandujano]

119. Lame as usual.

[Warren Stupidity]

103. a coup d'etat?

that is what you call it when your candidate loses an election?

You guys....

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

104. I am supporting Sen. Clinton and will vote for Obama happily if he's the nominee.

Unlike some of our, ahem, newer posters, I, and many other DUers, see very clearly how he's being set up by the MSM.

I do believe that there are powers that be that have been driving this situation, thus the marginalization of all but two of the Democratic candidates. Running Sen Obama against Sen. Clinton was a cynical move, seemingly designed to split the African-American vote, which was solidly in Clinton's camp until he announced. The Chicago machine is not called that for nothing. But, sometimes, things set into motion with the expectation of a certain outcome, take on a life of their own, and I wonder if that has happened in this case.

So the PTB's harbored an expectation that the GE would set up a relatively inexperienced man with a Muslim sounding name against a war "hero", shot down while bombing villages, but that's another story, however, Sen. Obama is a smart guy, inspirational speaker and invokes enthusiasm and excitement for the political process. He seems to be charting a savvy course, in spite of what may have propelled him quickly up through the political ranks.

My question, if he is the nominee, is how will his supporters react when the MSM turns its full fury on him, and takes his strengths and makes them weaknesses, as they've done with each of our last two presidential candidates? Some of his supporters are outraged at some pretty tame jabs from Sen. Clinton's campaign.

Wait until they see the full force of MSM smearing. I hope they put aside emotionalism and constant outrage, and work very, very hard, because it is going to take a concerted effort, should he become the nominee, to overcome any and all attacks coming from the war machine.

It will be demoralizing and frustrating. Michelle and other family members of his will be fair game. Every word he speaks will be twisted and regurgitated with insane spin on the, let's face it, extremely gullible American public. His race will be the subtext in many criticisms of him and things in his past that seem trivial now will be blown into a big deal, all over the airwaves 24/7.

People we thought were on our side, will turn with viciousness on him. Does anyone here remember how Olbermann treated Kerry during his run in 2004? I do.

McCain is an iron clad guarantee of years more in Iraq and possibly attacking other countries, keeping that money flowing from war industries to the elite. An elite that works hard to undermine the will of "we, the people" and have the money and influence to do so again, if we let our emotions get the best of us.

There's a lot of positivity and excitement about his candidacy. If he's the nominee, the MSM will duly seek to destroy that enthusiasm, something they did quite well with Gore and Kerry. Granted, Sen. Obama is head and shoulders above them in oratory skill, but that won't protect him. He'll on the the receiving end of one "gotcha" question after another, while the MSM treats McCain with kid gloves.

Be ready and don't let your heart break when these things happen. It will require lots of resolve from all of us to see our candidate take the White House.

We can do this, but it will require far more than chants and cheers to happen.

Oh, and if Sen. Clinton is the nominee, she'll face the same.

Mi dos centavos.

[stevenleser]

106. The good news is, when those of us riding the Obama train fix a lot of the problems of this country

... those of you who doubted will still be able to reap the benefits.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

116. If you think it'll be a "ride", you're in for a rude awakening.

[Egnever]

172. Its allready been one hell of a ride

what makes you think thats going to change? The cool thing about it is we all get a ticket for the show.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

232. The hard work is around the corner.

When the MSM makes it their business to destroy our candidate on the airwaves, we'll all have plenty to do besides ride.

[kid a]

110. Will you support Obama if he is the nominee?

[Arkansas Granny]

114. I don't know that I would call it a cult, but some of the responses

I have seen on thread remind me of watching a documentary on Jim Jones and his followers. Some of these posts are downright scary.

[Warren Stupidity]

115. Hmm, you know you seem like a good person.

I googled you after one of your tirades yesterday, and you really do seem like a good person, a solid progressive Democrat, one of us. Do you think that after this huge hole you have dug for yourself here, all of the emotional and vastly overblown negative public tirades you have committed to, that you will have talked yourself into sitting out the election, or even worse, into voting for McCain?

My candidate didn't win this time, twice already. It happens. Oh well. Please stop.

[Guava Jelly]

118. Riiight

:eyes: :tinfoilhat:


it's the aliens beaming signals in to the heads of the electorate.
:dunce:

[Yavin4]

120. Is It Wednesday Yet?

I can't wait.

[geiger]

312. amen.

I just got back from a speech by the Governor of Kansas, daughter of a former Governor of Ohio. One of the best speeches I have heard ever, In front of a crowd of probably 500 students in Wooster, Ohio, she was the epitomy of hope, visiting back from a state 80 percent Republican, but having gotten 60 percent of the vote on re-eletion. Amazing, she gets it, every one's getting it. Amazing. Yes, we are the leaders we have been looking for. Rock ON, obama.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

121. They're Supporting An Ideal, Not A Candidate. He Just Happens To Be The Face Put To It.

But even if he is in fact just a "man who has actually been just an average, low profile-type junior Senator who has yet to complete his first term of Office", he is still a good Dem and would make a great president, so I still am quite excited for the GE.

[Tatiana]

124. And Hillary has led so many protests, right?

He was a featured speaker at an anti-war rally in 2002, when the majority of America was in FAVOR of war.

So you prefer Hillary. Fine. But your denigration of Senator Obama has become, quite frankly, obsessive. Hopefully you will join the rest of us in the reality-based community after this primary process is over.

[luckypunch]

126. Please come to Boston

Yup,just like one of his mentors..Deval Patrick..same great speeches, hope, change, together we can. We can what?? He had the same movement going on in MA that Obama has across the country, now we have a neophyte governor who isn't able to get a thing done in this state. I voted for him and supported him, but am deeply disappointed in his performance as Governor and will not vote for him next time..but at least he can pronounce MassaCHEWsetts...Obama thinks is MassaTWOsetts, drives me crazy every time he says it, like fingernails on a blackboard. You would think that with Kennedy, Kerry and Patrick in his corner, he would at least be able to correctly pronounce MA. You can have him; his debate performances point out how unprepared he is. His speeches thrill many, but I hear them like they are cheap motivational bull.

[Guava Jelly]

130. He performed rather well in the debates.

I'm just sayen.

[Zachstar]

128. Take your Conspiricy Theory crap ELSEWARE!

Posts like your do serious damage to Clinton's future and makes yall look more desperate than ever.

Is there no bottoming out to your lows!?

[Exilednight]

129. "I believe the Democratic Party is being seized by some unknown financial power source or some ....

elite secret/mysterious group."

It was. It's called the DLC, and they're pissed they are losing power. Bottom - up is a Democratic virtue. Top - down is a neocon sin.

[Demagitator]

132. The Obama cult is politics and mind control in action

[billyoc]

134. Anybody but a DLC member, period.

Cult my ass. :eyes:

[Demagitator]

140. Obama's spiritual advisor -- Jeremiah Wright -- is a supporter of a large cult group

[billyoc]

157. I don't care if he's a serial killer, as long as there's not a DLC member in the White House. nt

[Jamastiene]

218. Exhibit A. n/t

[jgraz]

246. Hey, at least serial killer do 'em one at a time

Hillary condemns over a million people with one vote.

[Recursion]

277. Are you seriously calling the UCC a "cult"

The most progressive Protestant denomination in the country, bar none, is a "cult" now? These guys are to the left of the Unitarians, for Pete's sake.

[JTFrog]

138. Pssssssssssssssssssssss.... Bill has a message for you:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RGW38Zy4bJo

"If one candidate's trying to scare you and the other one is trying to get you to think,
If one candidate is appealing to your fears and the other one is appealing to your hopes,
You better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope."

[lapfog_1]

324. I bet the Hillary supporters here just HATE that quote.

but they don't have an effective come back to it...

[redqueen]

339. Hah...

was that from this campaign?

OOPS!

[terrya]

139. Good lord, there's nothing sinister about this.

Obama could very well be our nominee. And his supporters are geniunely excited about him and his candidacy.

Christ, it's not like something out of "The Manchurian Candidate"

Calm down.

[lapfog_1]

325. I don't believe it...

someone supporting Hillary (at least your avatar says you do) and you AREN'T calling the Obama supporters cult like???

What's up with that?

:)

(OK, it's cool. Nice to have someone that can be reasonable about our fellow DUers to chat with!)

[Alexander]

142. Hillaryis44.org is the real cult. Do you get your talking points there?

[RetroLounge]

145. Let be real.

I support Hillary, but if you really want to be scared, go look at McCain.

Remember Obama is a Dem. Remember?

RL

[shadowknows69]

147. There's the edge and there's the abyss

Hope you remembered your parachute for the leap.

[RiverStone]

148. So liberalnurse, if Obama turns out to be the nominee, will you vote for him?..n/t

[cornermouse]

308. Shades of the past.

I can hear the echo of "Are you now or have you ever been...?"

[formernaderite]

149. give it a little more time

seriously...it wears off. I don't think I got quite caught up in it...but it did seem "exciting" at first...but watching the crowds and the fainting has gotten a little bizarro for me. I think to recapture any sense of "gravitas" he's going to have to get past just a rallying cry. However, Hillary is over...at least where the populace is concerned. She somehow didn't catch the zeitgeist, or it comes down to...people really don't like her...which is what the polls have always reflected.

[Blue Diadem]

152. Wow, it's really getting ridiculous around here. shake/fear/afraid

Now we're fearing our own?

Why would/should we be afraid of someone who will at least try to bring our country back to the people instead of selling out to the corporate bastards that have run it for so long?

Snap out of the bizarre nonsense. I've never heard any Obama supporters say Obama is God but it sure seems to be said by those not supporting him.

[Eurobabe]

155. Why do you still have that offensive signature tag?

:shrug:

You're right, maybe we should own it. It is Obamaunderdeground.god, get used to it.

[Kukesa]

183. Way to go!!! I like it. n/t

[otohara]

159. People Power

that's how I look at it. I feel like he has brought many of us together to take back our country after the last 7 miserable years. Getting our kids involved and excited about politics and country is exciting.

[VotesForWomen]

160. the bubble will burst, sooner or later. nt

[TheWraith]

161. And another Clinton supporter pulls out the "cult" theme.

Because after all, the way to win in politics is to be boring, uninspiring, and change your positions according to what's politically popular. You complain that Obama never led an anti-war protest (he's attended and given speeches at them, actually), yet you support somebody who voted for and cheered on the war right up until it became unpopular?

[Demagitator]

166. Fine--- but what has he achived...

It was the -- Anti-Vietnam war protesters -- that stopped the Vietnam war. Did Obama's giving a speech at a rally-- stop the Iraq war?



Burning draft cards in the 60s.

[TheWraith]

196. Boy, talk about moving the goalposts. Now he's supposed to personally end the war?

Well, come this time next year, he will.

But you could say the same thing about Clinton. What's she done to end the war? Nothing--in fact, as far as I know she's never even been to an anti-war rally, because she wouldn't want to associate herself with them, being the "tough" candidate. She also was still backing the war 100% right up until it became unpopular, voted against banning the cluster-bombing of civilians, opposed a ban on the use of landmines, opposed putting any checks on Bush's ability to go to war, voted in favor of a resolution labeling the Iranian military a terrorist group... the list goes on.

And this war isn't going to be ended by protestors. It's going to be ended by the election of a Democratic president.

[Demagitator]

226. It is?

By electing a Democratic president the war will end.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Politicians only end wars when they are forced to. That is the way it is now, and that is the way it has always been in the past. Name one war in history that ended by voting in a new president.

I can name perhaps a dozen people in the 60s that organized the peace movement; and none of them TV radical liberals or politicians, (they were personal friends with the Kennedy's, and other politicians, because they were liberals -- Kennedy was outspoken and proud to be a liberal Democrat -- unlike today) but, Kennedy believed in the just war theory.

And, I can assure you that they would have no place for any -- religious fanatics -- like Farrakhan involved in the organizing; or politicians that get their support from the likes of Farrakhan supporters.

[anigbrowl]

162. "In just 60 days'? Nonsense.

Obama has been campaigning for over a year at this point. Your problem is that you haven't been paying attention, presumably because you thought Hillary was inevitable. Now you've been caught by surprise. Maybe if you were a bit more informed his rise wouldn't have come as such a shock to you. I made my decision about who to support early last summer.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

163. Even the 9/11 conspiracy theories aren't as dumb as this.

[SoxFan]

164. What shadowy force is behind Obama?

Secret footage of Obama HQ in Chicago:

[PassingFair]

167. "some unknown financial power source"

The average donation for Obama is just over a hundred dollars.

Small donors.

Average people.

Like ME.

I am THRILLED to FINALLY be an "unknown financial POWER SOURCE"

:rofl:

FYI: Hillary HAD the support of the
BIG dollar corpo's. They are holding
back now that she didn't deliver their
goods on time....
while Barack's support is as wide as the country
and as generous as it's people.

[jeffrey_X]

170. It's called democracy in action led by a grass roots effort.

Maybe you'd like the old version which was driven by corporations and corrupt politicians.

[Forkboy]

171. This should have been posted in the Humor Forum.

[bunnies]

173. Stop with the crazy talk.

Seriously.

And seek help. Im not kidding. Im worried about you.

[yardwork]

175. LOL! That was actually very funny.

Were you around in 1980 when Reagan mania swept the country? I was, and it looked a lot like this. Personally, I'm glad that this time it's a Democrat.

[Buzz Clik]

176. "unknown financial power source or some elite secret/mysterious group" Holy Crapoli! Get duct tape.

If Hillary is the one to answer the Red Phone in the middle of the night, then she can surely handle this ... threat(?).

[FrenchieCat]

177. Yeah....we're just stupid and unaware and you're smart. and clued in!

:sarcasm:

[jmg257]

181. I notice you didn't mention Hillary at all. SO if not Obama, then who??

DO NOT FEAR CHANGE! It will do ya good! ESPECIALLY in DC!

[jmg257]

182. DP Delete

[EmilyAnne]

184. Trust me. I've been as jaded and embittered as you could imagine. I don't believe that Obama is

going to make everything perfect, that celestial choirs will be singing, lights shining down from the heavens and stuff like that. What I saw today in Pittsburgh when I went to the Obama HQ was something that maybe we should have been seeing in the Democrat Party all along. We should have seen the realization put into action...the realization that we, the people, have a role to play in this thing called democracy. Maybe the country has been so gripped by apathy for so long, that normal, enthusiastic behavior on the part of normal people looks scary to you?

Sure, some of BO's supporters are more informed on certain issues than others. Some of them are probably single issue voters, some of them just like the way he talks and inspires them and others are, actually, impressed with his record. I don't know what to say to you other than everyone I talked to was excited to be involved in a process that was supposed to involve them all along.

[greguganus]

185. Oooooooo...change is so scary!!!

We should keep the dynasties going forever and ever.

[dionysus]

189. oh fer crissakes, hillary is just a poor campaigner, you snap out of it...

:eyes:

[texas_indy]

192. Obamatrons for OBAMA! OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT!!!! YEEEEE-HAAAAAA

Texas is Obama country! VIVA OBAMA!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fd-MVU4vtU

[Emit]

194. This post is a joke, right?

You're joking, right liberalnurse?

[jgraz]

249. Looks like she's been sampling the patients' meds again

:freak:

[Arkana]

195. Let me guess...you also believe the moon landing was faked,

aliens helped build the pyramids, Elvis isn't actually dead, and JFK was shot by one man with a magic bullet.

I swear. Do you even realize how fucking ridiculous this sounds?

[Carolina]

198. "Ask yourself who we have been fighting

for the past 8 years?...Yes, *bush/cheney....."

Good question. Where was your girl Hillary!

She can get her knickers in a knot over a campaign ad but where was that righteous anger against Bush for the past 7 years?

Where was she on IWR, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, Patriot Acts I & II, loss of habeas corpus...

You can't rant all you want about Obama but seems to me you have serious delusions about HRC... now go take some much needed medication, nurse!

[zulchzulu]

199. Your tinfoil hat is a litle smushed on the side

People are sick of the Clintons. Just like they were in 2000. Just like many were in the 1990's.

Get over it.

[From The Left]

201. OK, We Get It. Fear the Black Man

Flush

[LaurenG]

211. I don't think that comment was fair

I'm voting for Obama so take this in the way it was meant.

Race has nothing to do with this as far as I can tell. Being fair has to go both ways, that comment was not fair, at all.

[Steely_Dan]

269. From The Left....How Dare You?

You should be ashamed of your post. Many of us so-called "older" Dems have been fighting for minority rights since the 60's. I happen to agree with the OP. I guess in your eyes, I'm a racist, right?

-P

[ecdab]

205. good lord,

"I believe the Democratic Party is being seized by some unknown financial power source or some elite secret/mysterious group. I would call it a "coup d'état"

"I do not know and do not trust his, actually, I fear him."

And you want other people to "Snap Out Of It"?

I'm certainly not going to address anybody that has concluded that supporting Hillary is the path they wish to follow by telling them they are not thinking, they are not being reasonable, they are making invalid decisions that are not based upon the Democratic platform, or that they must be mind controlled. I like Hillary, though I don't find her to be as qualified as Obama to lead the Democratic Party forward at this moment in time.

I assume that you are a reasonable and well meaning person liberalnurse - but this post serves only to demean yourself. Fear is an irrational emotion - don't let it get the best of you.

[Jamastiene]

206. I share your fears.

It's like a bunch of Republican infiltrators have hoisted him on us. Some are buying into it. I am not. I don't trust anyone who talks out of both sides of his mouth, yet has legions of drooling followers.

Some people would say that to compare this foolish blind Obama adoration to someone like Charles Manson or Jim Jones would be preposterous and they would be right, but only because of the scale is way off there by comparison. We are talking about the job of leader of the free world. I'm thinking a lot of this Obama worship is more along the lines of a Bush, Hitler, or Mussolini level of dangerous. Every time an Obama supporter or the man himself opens his mouth, I think of that song, "Cult of Personality" by Living Colour. The lyrics are eerily prophetic when it comes to this blind sheeply Obama following. The man has done NOTHING to prove he is worthy of the job and his nose is so far up the Republicans' asses that I just cannot in good conscience support him or trust him.

[LaurenG]

213. What exactly are you afraid of?

Are you thinking that he will get us all killed, that he'll suddenly turn into a republican or something else?

I know that many voters are very inspired by him. He doesn't seem to be a bad man to me. Are you feeling that he is too good to be true or is it really his "blind sheeply Obama following followers" that you find offensive?

I really don't understand what the fear is about?

[Jamastiene]

220. That's just it.

He is TOO eager to get in bed with the Republicans to truly represent the left. I DO think he's a Republican in disguise. At least all of Hillary's bad votes are on the table and in plain view. There is no mystery there. I don't trust following someone on blind faith alone. I'm just not religious. Faith does not pay the bills or put food on the table or ensure safety for American citizens.

I can tell you from experience that anything that seems too good to be true, is.

[LaurenG]

225. Thank you for the answer

my choice was for a far lefty named Kucinich, then Edwards, so now I'm having to choose again. My vote will go to Obama in the primaries, not because I have faith in him but because of other issues with his rival.

I can't imagine that he is a republican in disguise though, he hasn't just been hiding out, he's been having a life and it's all there for us to see isn't it?

The only thing that I know for sure is that I don't want McCain or Huckabee near a place of power, ever; fanatics belong in group homes where they can be supervised and kept from harming others.

I'll vote for the Democratic nominee in the general election, no question.

[ecdab]

223. You're actually comparing the Democratic front runner to Bush, Hitler

and Mussolini based on a "feeling" that you have based on a lack of personal knowledge of him and the fact that many of your fellow Democrats are passionate about his candidacy? Don't you think that might be crossing a line some where? Look down at the bottom of your own posts and ask yourself why you placed that image there.

[Indenturedebtor]

208. You're funny

:rofl:

The aliens are coming! He's really from Jupiter! :rofl:

[ContinentalOp]

219. There's definitely something SCARY about this guy.

I can't put my finger on it but he cannot be trusted. There's something shadowy about him. Something unknown. I don't know, I can't quite explain it. You might say there's something dark about him. I can't quite pinpoint it but you know that feeling: do you really want this guy answering the phone at 3am? :scared:





:puke:

[Renew Deal]

221. Your post reminds me of Agent Smith

[Medusa]

222. More cheap theatrics and scare tactics by the Clintonistas

Fear must be today's Hillary meme.

[backscatter712]

224. Methinks you need to cut back on your LSD.

Yeah. How dare the peasants get inspired by a well-spoken gentleman who comes out fighting for them.

We're supposed to be the party of Dukakis, Mondale and Kerry! :eyes:

[AntiFascist]

227. Snap out of it indeed (addressing the OP)...

talk about conspiracy theories. Think of Obama as a blank slate and it is we the people who are empowering him. There are many more, concrete reasons for fearing a Clinton presidency, assuming they would even be able to make it that far...

[saltpoint]

228. Your post FAILS to mention those animal hybrid monster-creatures that

President Bush referenced in his 07 State of the Union Address.

[Raster]

321. The hybrid human-animal creatures...? I work for one.

[saltpoint]

334. LOL!

[eridani]

231. The financial sources that influence the Democratic Party are hardly unknown

They've pretty much bought both Clinton and Obama--defense industries, Big Pharma, investment bankers--all the usual suspects.

However, Clinton has used this windfall to pay huge sums to shitstains like Mark Penn, and Obama has used it on experienced organizers in all 50 states. Speaking in generalities is what people seem to like--otherwise candidates like Dean and Kucinich would have gotten far more traction.

I'd suggest that all of us issue-oriented policy wonks learn to live with this. When Obama's supporters get disillusioned (pretty inevitable), we ought to have ways for getting them involved in long term political and social change ready and available. Some will get bored and walk away--others will become the movers and shakers of tomorrow.

[femrap]

233. Great Post....K and R a million times!!!! nt

[rodeodance]

236. Good post --

[Political Heretic]

237. I AM FRIGHTEN

:scared:

[union_maid]

238. Fear of charisma

brought to you by the Democratic Party, home of the circular firing squad. Only a true Democrat could get panic stricken by a candidate who can pack stadiums with people and have them leave half in love with him. It's amazing that we fielded Bill Clinton. I know I didn't like him at first. Thought he was a bit of a snake oil salesman. I liked Harkin. Hell, I still like Harkin better. But Bill was the only two term Democratic president in my lifetime. So, maybe charisma has some value.

[Honeycombe8]

239. He was never an average, low profile Senator...whether in IL or in Washington.

He has been perceived as a leader among men for years. He gave the keynote address at the 2004 Dem. Convention.

If I were you, I wouldn't keep pointing out that Clinton has been in power for the last 8 years...that points to the fact that she is partly responsible for the current mess. She is part of the problem. What we want to change FROM.

[mattclearing]

240. He has more legislative experience than Hillary. n/t

[jgraz]

247. Don't worry, Nursey

Obama just sent me a telepathic text message where he promised not to rip off the human mask until his second term.

:crazy:

[LadyVT]

254. His cadence is hypnotic. Seriously... I believe

he has simply studied hypnotism. Easy to do. There are books. There are NLP courses. Some people are susceptible, some are not. Not everyone who is for him is susceptible--some have clear reasons why. Many do not. Many are just spouting back what they've heard.

Listen carefully. Notice how you feel when you hear him. For me, it is empty and sleepy. It's hard for me to pay attention to the words he uses. I find myself watching him.

[Steely_Dan]

255. Completely Agree

It appears that this Obama phenomenon has taken on a life of its own. This means that we have little control over its growth or direction. It is existing in and of itself.

-P

[Umbram]

256. The prescriptions are for the patients, not a job perk... (nt)

[smiley_glad_hands]

260. This post is over the top and really reeks of desperation.

I am sure the freepers will be cross posting.

[mattclearing]

274. Not to mention ignorance.

"I don't know anything about Obama, I suspect he's going to take over the world!" Nice one.

[KLee]

264. ITS CALLED POWER OF THE PEOPLE...or didn't you get that memo?

or maybe you would rather it be power of the few once again

[mattclearing]

272. You are wrong.

Obama spoke out against the war at protests before the IWR passed.

Do your homework and you will find there is nothing to fear from Barack Obama.

[557188]

280. Its incredible

I've never seen a party be hijacked like this before.

And so many Dems are blind to what is going on!

It seriously seems like the only people who have seen it the entire time is the extreme left. But mainstream Dems always ignore us and then wonder why they always lose.

I am seriously getting sick of saying "I told you so."

[Whisp]

291. what a silly post. It's the power of lobbyists, special interest groups

and a corporate government that is not right.
Obama is giving us the opportunity to challenge this farce democracy - people are waking up and paying attention to what they rightfully own. Finally.

And you are bellyaching about it?
I think it is you who do some Snapping.

[AngryOldDem]

292. Yep...there's a lot to be concerned about.

A fresh voice. A fresh face. Someone who's not enmeshed in the political machine. Run...run as fast as you can to someone who is committed to keeping the status quo intact. Give me a fucking break.

And I can't help but to point out the irony here. In 2004, when Obama gave the keynote at the Democratic National Convention, he was hailed as the new voice of the party -- someone to watch. Someone who was definitely going places. Now, because he dares to challenge a pol who thought she had the nomination wrapped up even before the primaries started, and because he *may just get* the nomination that people were predicting for him just four years ago, he's portrayed as something sinister.

Why this thread has so many recs is beyond me. Looks like a bad case of sour grapes brought on by an overdose of hubris to me.

[geiger]

302. it's the fight btwn the old and the new.

I agree with you AngryOldDem, but I understand the frustration of a hillary clinton and her supporters who work so hard every day at causes they believe in. Hard work isn't enough anymore, and it's not fair, but it's just the way it is, but that's a hard bit to swallow. WE DO NEED A NEW WAY OF THINKING. All my life till recently I bought into the old Puritan/Old Testament notion of "hard work" rewards and "by their works you shall knoweth them." In my mind, I guess also that I can never measure up, but I keep trying, like a stubborn old bull. But, I think HRC has become addicted to power, and it has now gotten in her way. She is not this person, she is not the "candidate," she has simply lost her way. And, I guess I do forgive her now, but I can't vote for her.

[AngryOldDem]

309. I just don't see what she brings to the table, other than the same old-same old.

Armstead's comment downthread says it much better than I can. I feel that she thinks there is so much unfinished business from 1994-2000 (when she was effectively co-president), that she is entitled to the office just for that reason alone. And, as you can tell from my posts on the Ohio thread, her attitude toward outsourcing and the cozying up she's done to business interests both here and abroad bode no good for American workers, especially skilled American workers who are already being undercut and underpaid by big business. That makes me feel very uneasy and disqualifies her from my vote almost from the start.

As The Who sang, "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss." I think if HRC gets the nomination and subsequently the presidency, we'll be hearing a lot of that here, as well as the usual cries of "What the hell happened?"

I have no illusions that Obama is a savior, but he is coming at the election from a fresh perspective and is actually trying to run an issues-based campaign. People do want to hear messages of hope. I don't think most of us have become that jaded yet to not at least give someone who brings a genuine message of hope a listen. I think that is what people saw on the convention floor that night in 2004, and I think that is what they see now on the campaign trail.

[geiger]

311. she doesnt, and furthermore,

the way she is trying to turn the tables on the NAFTA thing is despicable.

[AngryOldDem]

313. If I had not already made up my mind, Tuesday's debate would have done it for me.

Her skimming over how NAFTA has hurt Ohio was just insulting and inexcusable. And then to come back later and say that Ohioans could enter the alternative energy industry (yeah...like THAT'S a real wave of the future in the United States) by making solar panels and windmills...please! That is no comfort to the hundreds of GM and Delphi workers here and to the smaller plants that are closing. NAFTA has had such a devastatingly ripple effect on Ohio's economy that it's been almost like a death blow.

You know, this goes for ANY politician out there. If they voted for something years back, or supported something that turned out to be bad policy, instead of backpedaling or spinning, howzabout just saying "I was wrong," or "I made a mistake," or "I did what I thought was best at the time but events now have proven otherwise." Sure, some will crucify them for that. But others, like me, will accept that and respect the candidate/politician for saying so. It may not influence my opinion/vote of them, but I will appreicate their candidness.

[geiger]

315. and she never admits her mistakes. it's weird. it's a character flaw.

[Armstead]

295. Where were you in the 90's? That's when Wall St. took over the Democratic Party

The Clintons basically changed the whole support system and ideology of the Democratic Party to support the agenda of Wall St. and Big Bidness and the "free market" conservatives.

Their loving embrace of Alan Greenspan and the packing of their cabinet with corporate and investment titans should have tipped you off.

[katRI]

296. Snap out of my thinking reasonable valid decision?

It is just insulting to assume that people who came to different decisions about the Democratic canidate to support are lost to some cult of personality.

I went to see Obama speak yesterday at RIC in Providence. Yes 10,000 people showed up in the cold rain walking through slush. Is that what makes you afraid? I was one of the 10,000 and I came to my decision from a valid and reasoned thought process.

I believe Obama will be a great President. I think he has the judgement, the intelligence, the platform and the support to do great things. You don't, should I be afraid of you and your canidate because we disagree? Really I think you need to snap out of your fear and look at the issue freshly.

Kat

[polichick]

298. We had a fearful Clinton supporter come into our new Obama PA field office yesterday...

I told her to snap out of it, in more polite terms of course.

Clinton's fearful bullshit = Bush's fearful bullshit.

[geiger]

300. you are so level-headed and I appreciate the reality check, but

I think it's a new type of leadership that we need.

I had been desperately looking for a reason to forgive her Iraq war maneuvering, and wasn't convinced about Barack Obama until I heard John Kerry's eloquent endorsement speech: www.johnkerry.com (You have to listen to it to realize the passion behind this speech, and it was in this speech that I forgave John Kerry for not fighting back agst his swiftboaters. he thought he didn't have to stoop to their level, and I think when he saw shades of it in Hillary's campaign, agst a fellow Democrat, he could be silent no more). Another reason I took his speech to heart was because I remember hearing a story about John Kerry extemporaneously giving a prayer one year at the annual Congressional Prayer Breakfast, and he was so learned and so much a man of faith and conviction, and all that came thru, and the place went silent with awe. I will never forget that as long as I live. He does know his history, and his faith, and his mind, and has a wife that does, too.

That being said, the satellite crew and Obama signs are on stage in Wooster, and my heart went pitter patter at the thought that Obama was here. It's Karen Sebulius (sp?), daughter of former governor John Gilligan, now Governor of Red Kansas.

[geiger]

314. On review, I meant to say was that John Gilligan is a former governeor of OHIO, sorry bout that

Karen is Governor of Kansas now.

[powergirl]

303. The Clinton campaign has stated that they will use Obama's popularity

to energize voters to vote for Clinton/Obama in the general election. I guess he just needs to tone it down during the primary?

[geiger]

306. that's a very astute comment.

[geiger]

304. also, liberalnurse, i feel sorry for you because you have already voted

continue to do everything you know you need to do, but, seriously, wait to vote on Election Day next time. You are so good, so pure, let yourself have the privilege. I salute you, for everything that you do. If Hillary gets the nod, you are my VP recommendation.

[geiger]

305. also, liberalnurse, i feel sorry for you because you have already voted

continue to do everything you know you need to do, but, seriously, wait to vote on Election Day next time. You are so good, so pure, let yourself have the privilege. I salute you, for everything that you do. If Hillary gets the nod, you are my VP recommendation.

[BlueJac]

307. Beware of the Boogyman...........OMG

What a crock of crap you have scrawled.......you must be writing this from under your bed with a blanket over your head!


The conspirators are in the White House now if you haven't noticed.

:scared:

[Boojatta]

322. You are absolutely right about at least one thing...

I believe the Democratic Party is being seized by some unknown financial power source or some elite secret/mysterious group.

A DU thread for people who don't claim to be all-knowing

[AX10]

330. You and I agree that something is just not right wing Obama.

He has taken off like a wildfire.

We all must consider this:

"In just 60 days, Obama has gather masses of devoted minions who only chant the words Hope and Change, as if they were in a mind controlled trance. Howard Dean had Deanieac's and terrific political experience as Governor, but he never gathered more than a fraction of Obama-rama followers."

Why?

Also, how can Obama be compared with Dean? Dean was very clear in that he wanted to take a different course from that of Bush. He spoke defining the party with concise policies, not talks of "hope" and "unity" with hostile opponents.

[Bushwick Bill]

333. It's the Zbig Brzezinski faction, I tell ya!

:crazy:
POLICE STATE MOVES TO ELIMINATE OBAMA'S COMPETITION

The campaign of scandal revelations against Senator John McCain in the New York Times suggest that the banking establishment is determined to remove all obstacles that might impede the March of Brzezinski's puppet Obama to the White House. In addition, Arizona Republican Congressman Rick Renzi, a McCain ally, has just been indicted on charges of extortion, wire fraud and money laundering in an alleged scheme to profit from a land deal. Renzi is an honorary co-chairman of McCain's presidential campaign. At the same time, the controled corporate media continue to cover up the explosive revelations of Larry Sinclair, which have now been covered on numerous web sites and in the supermarket tabloid, The Globe. Since Karl Rove already knows all about these scandals, Democratic primary voters need to know about them too ? otherwise they risk choosing a candidate so thoroughly compromised as to be unelectable.

Obama is an intrinsically weak candidate, who might well be defeated even by McCain in a normal election, especially given the overwhelming suspicion about Obama among Latino, Asian, and Catholic voters. The motivation of the New York Times smear campaign against McCain by his former admirers and backers is to eliminate any serious contenders who might hinder the new Messiah between now and November.

This is not the first time that the intelligence community-police state apparatus has had to intervene decisively to provide assistance to the faltering ambitions of their puppet, Obama. During his quest for a seat in the United States Senate from Illinois in 2004, Obama received a scandal boost not once but twice. Obama's opponent in the Illinois Democratic senatorial primary of March 2004 was Marson Blair Hull, a wealthy securities broker who spent $28 million on television advertising and was heavily favored to defeat Obama in that primary. But Hull's campaign was torpedoed by a barrage of well timed media charges that he had abused his former wife. Hull was therefore obliged to drop out of the race.
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2008/02/214396.php

[Shakespeare]

336. The OP is disgusting and insulting and insane.

Here, you need about a dozen of these:

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

And then you need to apologize to the countless DEMOCRATS on this site who support Obama. :puke:

[redqueen]

338. Wow you sure convinced me.

I'm gonna switch my vote, just cause you have the heebie jeebies. That's logic!