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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:22 PM
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Has Hillary been the commander in chief before?
She said this yesterday: "There's a big difference between giving speeches about national security and giving orders as commander in chief."

So now she's implying SHE'S given orders as CIC? Why can't he give speeches about national security AND give orders as CIC?
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:25 PM
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1. Oh my! Did she really say that?
I'd love to see a clip of that.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:26 PM
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3. Yes. They just showed it on CNN. She was speaking with some generals behind her...
She went on saying other similar things, too.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 05:00 PM
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59. Thanks, jenmito.
I'm going to tune in hoping to see it in one of CNN's rotations.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:26 PM
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4. here it is in print
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 02:28 PM by stop the bleeding
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama1mar01,1,1558273.story

On the campaign trail Friday, Clinton questioned Obama's qualifications to be commander in chief and accused him of abandoning the stand he took in 2002 when he delivered a speech opposing the invasion of Iraq.

"There's a big difference between giving speeches about national security and giving orders as commander in chief," said the New York senator, surrounded by retired military leaders during an appearance in Waco, Texas. "There's a big difference between delivering a speech at an antiwar rally as a state senator and picking up that phone in the White House at 3 a.m. in the morning to deal with an international crisis."

Clinton's sharp words marked a turn in the Democratic race, which had focused largely on domestic matters such as healthcare and job creation in the run-up to Tuesday's crucial primary elections in Texas and Ohio.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:28 PM
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7. Thanks for the link!
:hi:
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:54 PM
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57. Thanks, stop the bleeding.
Unbelievable! :crazy: What is she thinking?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:28 PM
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6. It was just on CNN
Clinton sought to belittle Obama, a first-term senator from Illinois, as inexperienced compared to herself and McCain.

“He (McCain) will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Sen. Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002,” she told reporters aboard her plane.

“And that’s why national security is a critical issue for Democrats as we go into this primary because everyone knows that John McCain will make this election about national security. That is a given. And it will be imperative that we have a nominee who is able to stand on that stage with Sen. McCain, and I believe I am the person best able to do that,” she said.

“His entire campaign is based on one speech he gave at an anti-war rally in 2002,” Clinton said of an Obama speech opposing the war in Iraq. “And I give him credit for making the speech, but the speech was not followed up with action, which is part of the pattern we have seen repeatedly—a lot of talk, little action.”

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/clinton_belittles_obama_as_a_l.html
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:58 PM
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32. Unbelievable... she is making John McCain's case now...
Can I borrow this from you? I would like to post it on it's own.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:43 PM
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48. Go for it
I'll K&R it.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:59 PM
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58. Sickening.
Her own staff had a deer-in-the-headlight moment when asked for specifics about her foreign policy experience. They listed a speech on women's rights she gave in China and the endorsements of military personnel.

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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:25 PM
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2. if we are to believe this, then she shouldn't be eligible to be running-
because Bill will be the "co-president Commander in Chief" for his third term if so.

:shrug:

peace~
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:26 PM
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5. That's right! n/t
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:30 PM
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8. And she just accused Obama of saying "talking about national security is fear-mongering."
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 02:30 PM by jenmito
:eyes: No, Hillary-FEAR-MONGERING is fear-mongering. And that's what your commercial was.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:30 PM
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9. Two things. First off, why ask stupid questions that you know the answer to?
And secondly, why spin Hillary statements...which I've seen you do more than once...and distort what she says to imply she said she's been commander in chief before?

Whats the matter? Is the mud you like to fling drying up or what?

You know what Senator Clinton meant. Argue against what she said, that's fine. But don't distort, and certainly don't say she's implying she's been President--she didn't say that!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:32 PM
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10. See post 4. It's an exact quote. I accept your apology. n/t
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:37 PM
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11. No apology needed, continue spinning and distorting what she says.
And I'll continue to call you out on it.

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:40 PM
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13. READ POST 4. IT'S AN EXACT QUOTE.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:41 PM
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14. Looks like your caps lock is on. I did, proves nothing. You distorted what she said.
But you know that, don't you?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:44 PM
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16. An exact quote is not distorting what she said. I accept your apology.
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 02:44 PM by jenmito
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:45 PM
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18. She said being President and dealing with actions is different than giving a good speech.
She is implying that's shes ready to be commander in chief.

She isn't implying that's been commander in chief.

You lied. You distorted.

I accept your apology!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:50 PM
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22. I did NOT lie. I quoted her words, asked a question, and said what she implied.
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 02:51 PM by jenmito
"There's a big difference between giving speeches about national security and giving orders as commander in chief."

Who's to say Obama can't do BOTH? When did SHE give orders as CIC? I accept your apology.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:38 PM
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12. just think Jen
only 3 more days of her bullshit and then when she loses all 4 primaries on Tuesday then I guess we'll see where the Clinton campaign moves the goal post to this time. Here's my prediction; they will cite the 35 million dollars they raised as a reason they shouldn't drop out, they'll say her supporters want her to continue and we will continue to see her attempts at ripping the democratic party to shreds until the super delegates help put an end to this insanity-hopefully
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:43 PM
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15. I wouldn't go THAT far...
She has thrown all her money into late advertising, etc. into TX and OH. She may win at least ONE of those states, and then she and the media will claim victory.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:50 PM
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21. she's GONNA lose Texas, Ohio and Vermont-you think she
may win Rhode Island?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:52 PM
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24. I think it'll be very close. I don't want to be too confident...
but I THINK you're right. Yeah, I think she'll win RI.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:56 PM
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27. it's gonna take
a couple of hundred super delegates to come out en masse in support of Obama after Tuesday to try and convince the CC to come to their senses and that it just isn't going to happen for her in '08
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:03 PM
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33. I agree...
I just don't want to count my nearly-hatched chickens. :)
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:13 PM
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37. you know what jen
all that bullshit we've been hearing for the past month and a half the "you can never count the Clintons out" is just that-bullshit. She has lost 11 straight primaries and is poised to lose her firewall states Texas and Ohio. There comes a point when reality has to set in that no matter who she is and what her last name is-she ain't winning the nomination-one of the many problems with that camp is they read their own press clippings and believe them
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:15 PM
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40. Thanks for that
reality check. :hi: I guess I'm afraid of how the media won't want this to end, so they may start changing the script and somehow affecting things.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:45 PM
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17. oh brother. You really have to look at it upside down and back wards to think that she was
suggesting SHE had been president making decisions.

Have we lost our ability to comprehend simple sentences in the heat of the campaign?

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:47 PM
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20. Wrong. She definitely implied just that. Otherwise, why say there's a difference between something
Obama does (gives speeches) and something she DOESN'T do?
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:52 PM
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23. ohmygod. Everyone in the fucking world knows she has never been president
how could you possibly believe that is what she meant by the statement? I think that might be an easy one to fact check!

What she is saying is that he is a good speech maker. And he needs more qualifications than talking good to be qualified for the Presidency.

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:54 PM
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26. Of course everyone knows she's never been president. But what gives her the qualifications
to say SHE'S ready to give orders as CIC?
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:56 PM
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30. here you go:
Senator Clinton supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Trust for Historic Preservation 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Education Association 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Children's Defense Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Organization for Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 91 percent in 2006.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 100 percent in 2005

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence 100 percent from 1988-2003 (Senate) or 1991-2003 (House).

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Public Health Association 80 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers 84 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Worker 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 88 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of Government Employees 83 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Committee for an Effective Congress 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 100 percent in 2005.

According to the National Journal - Composite Liberal Score's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on economic, defense and foreign policy issues than 80 percent of the Senators.

According to the National Journal - Liberal on Social Policy's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on social policy issues than 83 percent of the Senators.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Alliance for Retired Americans 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 92 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Bread for the World 100 percent in 2003-2004.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Partnership for the Homeless 100 percent in 2003-2004.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can...

She was promoting universal coverage before it was cool. Furthermore she helped to create the SCHIP program. And most importantly she was dead on in the debate the other week where she said political will was the most important thing needed to push health care reform through and we know without a doubt she has that.

She has fougt unrelentingly for a woman's right to choose as well as women's rights both domestically and abroad

Create a Strategic Energy Fund - Hillary has proposed a Strategic Energy Fund that would inject $50 billion into research, development and deployment of renewable energy, energy efficiency, clean coal technology, ethanol and other homegrown biofuels. Hillary's proposal would give oil companies a choice: invest in renewable energy or pay into the fund. Hillary's proposal would also eliminate oil company tax breaks and make sure that oil companies pay their fair share for drilling on public lands. Instead of sending billions of dollars to the Middle East for their oil, Hillary's proposal will create a new clean energy industry in America and create tens of thousands of jobs here.

Champion a Market-Based "Cap and Trade" Approach - Hillary supports a market-based, cap and trade approach to reducing carbon emissions and fight global warming. This approach was used successfully to limit sulfur dioxide and reduce levels of acid rain in the 1990s. By capping the amount of emissions in the environment and allowing corporations to buy and sell permits, this approach offers corporations a flexible, cost-efficient method to do their share to reduce emissions and combat global warming. The program will reduce emissions, drive the development of clean technologies, and create a market for projects that store carbon dioxide.

20% Renewable Electricity Standard by 2020 - Hillary believes we need to shift our reliance on high carbon electricity sources to low-carbon electricity sources by investing in renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind. As President, she'll work to require power companies to obtain 20 percent of their energy from renewable sources by 2020.

Make Federal Buildings Carbon Neutral - Hillary believes that the federal government should lead the way in reducing carbon emissions from buildings. Buildings account for 40 percent of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, and the federal government owns or leases more than 500,000. Hillary would require all federal buildings to steadily increase the use of green design principles, energy efficient technologies, and to generate energy on-site from solar and other renewable sources. By 2030, all new federal buildings and major renovations would be carbon neutral, helping to fight global warming and cutting the $5.6 billion that the federal government spends each year on heating, cooling and lighting.

Protecting Against Exposure to Toxic Chemicals - Hillary wants to make the products we use safer, especially for children. There are tens of thousands of chemicals used in the U.S. and hundreds of new chemicals introduced each year, but little health testing is conducted for many of them. Hillary would require chemical companies to prove that new chemicals are safe before they are put on the market, and would set more stringent exposure standards for kids. She would also create a "priority list" of existing chemicals and require testing to make sure they are safe. To improve our understanding of the links between chemicals and diseases like cancer, Hillary would create an "environmental health tracking network" that ties together information about pollution and chronic diseases.

Hillary's Record

In the White House, Hillary led efforts to make adoption easier, to expand early learning and child care, to increase funding for breast cancer research, and to help veterans suffering from Gulf War syndrome who had too often been ignored in the past. She helped launch a national campaign to prevent teen pregnancy and helped create the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997, which moved children from foster care to adoption more quickly and the number of children who have moved out of foster care into adoption has increased dramatically.

She was instrumental in designing and championing the State Children's Health Insurance Program, which has provided millions of children with health insurance. She battled the big drug companies to force them to test their drugs for children and to make sure all kids get the immunizations they need through the Vaccines for Children Program. Immunization rates dramatically improved after the program launched.

Hillary has been a leading member of the Environment and Public Works Committee since she was elected to the Senate. Today, she chairs the Superfund and Environmental Health Subcommittee and in that capacity has promoted legislation to evaluate and protect against the impact of environmental pollutants on people's health and clean up toxic waste.

Global warming and Clean Air
Spoken out forcefully about the need to tackle global warming in hearings, speeches, rallies and on the Senate floor and co-sponsored "cap and trade" legislation.
Worked to reduce air pollution that causes asthma and other respiratory diseases by writing and helping to pass new laws to clean up exhaust from school buses, and other diesel-powered equipment.
Supported legislation to reduce pollution from power plants, including harmful emissions of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, mercury, and carbon dioxide - emissions that contribute to poor air quality, smog, acid rain, global warming, and mercury contamination of fish.
Aggressively fought the Bush Administration's ill-advised attempts to weaken clean air laws.

Improving Water Quality and Protecting Drinking Water
Helped to overturn the Bush Administration's attempt to allow more arsenic in drinking water.
Cosponsored legislation to protect lakes, rivers and coastal waters by fighting the spread of destructive invasive species, such as the zebra mussel.
Helped ot pass new clean water laws, including measures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

Protecting Public Lands
Fought oil company efforts to pen the Artic Wildlife Refuge in Alask and Pacific and Atlantic coastal waters to drilling.
Cosponsored the Roadless Area Conservation Act, which prohibits road construction and logging in unspoiled, roadless areas of the National Forest System, and voted for additional funding and manpower to combat forest fires in the west.

Reducing Dangerous Chemicals and Cleaning Up Hazardous Waste
Supported legislation to restore the "polluter pays" principle by reinstating a chemical company fee to fund cleanups of highly contaminated "Superfund" waste sites.
Cosponsored the "kids-Safe Chemical Act," which requires chemical companies to provide health and safety before putting new chemicals in consumer products.
Proposed legislation to create an environmental health tracking network to enable us to better understand the impact of environmental hazards on human health and well-being.

Tackling the Toxic Legacy of 9/11
Pushed for health care benefits for first responders, residents and others whose health has been impacted from breathing the toxic dust and smoke in New York City after 9/11.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/8/20/134810/677

Hillary Clinton co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977. In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter (for whom she had done 1976 campaign coordination work in Indiana) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation, and she served in that capacity from 1978 through the end of 1981. For much of that time she served as the chair of that board, the first woman to do so. During her time as chair, funding for the Corporation was expanded from $90 million to $300 million, and she successfully battled against President Ronald Reagan's initial attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.

Following the November 1978 election of her husband as Governor of Arkansas, Clinton became First Lady of Arkansas in January 1979, her title for a total of twelve years. Bill appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee the same year, where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

Hillary Clinton chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee from 1982 to 1992, where she sought to bring about reform in the state's court-sanctioned public education system. One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place. She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.

And a bit of stuff from the White House years:

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage. She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare. She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.

The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome. Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice. In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage.<124> She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare.<125> She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.<43> The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome.<43> Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice.<43> In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.<43> As First Lady, Clinton hosted numerous White House Conferences, including ones on Child Care (1997),<126> Early Childhood Development and Learning (1997),<127> and Children and Adolescents (2000),<128> and the first-ever White House Conferences on Teenagers (2000)<129> and Philanthropy (1999).<130>

Hillary Clinton traveled to over eighty countries during this time,<131> breaking the mark for most-travelled First Lady held by Pat Nixon.<132> In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself.<133> She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.<134><135> She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

"...Hillary Clinton traveled to over eighty countries during this time,<131> breaking the mark for most-travelled First Lady held by Pat Nixon.<132> In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself.<133> She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.<134><135> She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries..."

More:
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/israe...
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/darfu...


The following are polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues. For each group, http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%
easures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

HILLARY'S EXPERIENCE ON THE WORLD STAGE:

Her historic speech at the UN Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing in 1995 not only galvanized women around the world, it helped spawn a movement that led to advances politically, legally, economically, and socially for women in many countries over the next decade. Among other initiatives, she spearheaded the Clinton Administration's efforts to combat the global crisis of human trafficking. She persuaded the First Ladies of the Americas to use their collective power to eradicate measles and improve girls' education throughout the western Hemisphere. And she is widely credited with helping women in Kuwait finally win the right to vote.

As First Lady and now as a two-term senator who represents the most ethnically diverse state in the nation and who sits on the Armed Services Committee, Hillary Clinton has become a fixture on international issues over the past 15 years. She has traveled to more than 80 countries, going from barrios to rural villages to meetings with heads of state. She has consulted with dozens of world leaders - Nelson Mandela, King Abdullah, Tony Blair among them -- on matters as diverse as America and NATO's roles in Kosovo, eradicating poverty in the Third World, and the plight of women living under the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Today, she is one of the most influential voices in the world on human rights, democracy, and the promotion of a "new internationalism" in foreign affairs that calls for a balanced use of military force, diplomacy, and social development to strengthen American interests and security globally.

While American First Ladies historically have made great (and often overlooked) contributions to our nation, Hillary Clinton's wide-ranging experience on international issues as First Lady is unprecedented. Indeed, she is the only First Lady to have delivered foreign policy addresses at major gatherings of the United Nations, the World Bank, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the World Economic Forum.

Perry Logan
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:05 PM
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34. Nothing there gave her the judgement to vote against the IWR like about half of the Dems. in
Congress, so my question remains.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:13 PM
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39. You can continue to...
...denounce everything Clinton and hail everything Obama. But the reality is that she has awesome experience and he is a first term senator. That is the reality.

Ignore her experience, belittle it...do what ever you want to attempt to justify the fact that you are backing someone who has nothing to offer the presidency but pretty words--oops, no they are not HIS words. Ummm...to justify the fact that you are backing someone who has nothing to offer the presidency but the ability to take someone elses words and make them sound pretty. He doesn't even have authenticity. And now, we find out from the Canadian government, he doesn't even have truth.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:18 PM
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41. That's FUNNY!
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 03:18 PM by jenmito
So Hillary has 35 years of "experience" and Obama has a couple years? You're not counting his 20 years of community service? :rofl:
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:28 PM
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42. I see...you will count HIS experience, but not hers.
I keep forgetting that pesky double standard on DU. I think you guys who have taken over DU should right down the rules. "Proclamations!" We could have a wall of proclamations--like in Harry Potter. You could be the lady in Pink!

"Obama is running on his words: everyone must ignore the fact that they are not his words."

"Obama's experience in community service as a high school student prepared him for the Presidency, nothing Clinton did prepared her for the Presidency."

"Obama's view on the war is opposite of Clinton's: Ignore the fact that he voted the same why she did EVERY TIME."

"Obama always tells the truth and Clinton always lies: Ignore the Canadian government."

"Clinton is a racist: Ignore the fact that Clinton is not a racist."
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:32 PM
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44. Nope. It's both or neither. You can't have it both ways.
After your post of all her experience, I pointed out that all that experience didn't give her the judgement to vote against the "Resolution of the U.S. to Use Military Force in Iraq."
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:45 PM
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49. Proclamation: "Despite the same voting record Obama has better judgment"
"Ignore his actions, only listen to the pretty words."
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:50 PM
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51. Um, Obama was against the war and correctly predicted what would
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 03:53 PM by jenmito
happen if we invaded Iraq. The war was popular at that time. And he sponsored the "Iraq De-Escalation Act" in the Senate among other things. They do not have identical records. And voting for funding once the troops are already IN Iraq is different from voting for the war.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:52 PM
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53. No. Obama gave a pretty speech, but again, his actions have proven that his words are
meaningless. He has only supported the war when he had the power to do something about it.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:55 PM
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54. Stop parroting Hillary's talking points. He predicted exactly what would happen. Words matter.
Remember the 16 words Bush used about Saddam trying to get uranium from Africa? And again-he sponsored a bill to get the troops out.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 05:15 PM
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61. His words don't matter. But actions speak louder than words.
And his actions prove that his words are meaningless.

16 words that Bush used to lie to get us into Iraq. NAFTA: Obama lied to us to get a vote and told Canada: don't worry, I am lying.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:47 PM
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19. The audacity of this subterfuge is breathtaking.
As it turns out, Hillary's experience claim hasn't been vetted, which explains why she is furiously pointing the finger at Barack. Pay no attention to the facts behind the curtain:

K&R :)

But during those two terms in the White House, Clinton did not hold a security clearance. She did not attend National Security Council meetings. She was not given a copy of the president's daily intelligence briefing. She did not assert herself on the crises in Somalia, Haiti or Rwanda. And during one of President Bill Clinton's major tests on terrorism, whether to bomb Afghanistan and Sudan in 1998, Clinton was barely speaking to her husband, let alone advising him, as the Lewinsky scandal dragged on.

In seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, Clinton lays claim to two traits nearly every day: strength and experience. But as the junior senator from New York, she has few significant legislative accomplishments to her name. She has cast herself, instead, as a first lady like no other: a full partner to her husband in his administration, and, she says, all the stronger and more experienced for her "eight years with a front-row seat on history."

Her rivals scoff at the idea that her background gives her any special qualifications for the presidency, and on the campaign trail have increasingly been challenging her assertions of unique experience. Senator Barack Obama has especially questioned "what experiences she's claiming" as first lady, noting that the job is not the same as being a cabinet member, much less president. And last Friday, he suggested that more foreign policy experts from the Clinton administration were supporting his candidacy than hers. (Hillary Clinton quickly released a list of 80 who were supporting her.)

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/12/25/america/clinton.php
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #19
25. If her last name wasn't Clinton
she wouldn't even BE in the race right now after losing 11 straight contests
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:56 PM
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29. And that's the REAL inequity in this race.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:56 PM
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28. Thanks for the reality check for the Hillary supporters!
And for the K&R! :hi:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:57 PM
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31. de nada
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:07 PM
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35. ...
He's giving a rally in RI right now: http://www.cnn.com/live/
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:09 PM
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36. thanks for the heads-up :)
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:13 PM
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38. De nada.
:hi: :D
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:31 PM
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43. according to WesClark...
being in the bed when the phone rings is experience enough to be the Commander in Chief.

Gen. Wesley Clark, a Clinton supporter and the former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO, plugged the TV ad while introducing Clinton on stage and suggested that her tenure as First Lady prepared her to be president. "She's been in the White House when the tough decisions were made," Clark said, looking over to Clinton. "I guess you've been at the bedside when that phone rang at 3 a.m. in the morning." Clinton was joined at the event by three generals, including Clark, and a Navy Rear Admiral.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/29/clinton-obama-missing-in-action/#more-5639
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:34 PM
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45. Then I guess Monica Lewinsky is qualified, too...
since she's been in the Oval Office. :shrug: :D
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KLee Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:36 PM
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46. lmaoooooo
sorry had to laugh at that one OMG:rofl:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:37 PM
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47. ...
Glad I could make you laugh! And welcome to the DU! :hi:
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:51 PM
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52. but did the phone ring?
I think that's the bar.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:56 PM
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55. She didn't say...
you have a point there! :D
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 05:09 PM
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60. !!
:spray: I'm lucky I finished that beer a few minutes ago.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 09:56 PM
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62. ...
I'm glad I could make you laugh at the appropriate time! :hi:
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:45 PM
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50. The funny thing is
she's saying all this in A SPEECH! ABOUT NATIONAL SECURITY!!!

She's doing no different than Obama. They're only presidential candidates. All they can do is give speeches about what their positions would be.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:57 PM
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56. EXACTLY!
How ironic! :hi:
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