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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:51 PM
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Hillary Banks On Fear Mongering As Key To Tuesday Victories
Clinton belittles Obama as "a lot of talk, little action"

“My opponent says it’s fear mongering to talk about national security and the fact that we’re at war,” Clinton told a crowd at the historic stockyards in Fort Worth. “Well, I don’t think people in Texas scare all that easily.”


Clinton sought to belittle Obama, a first-term senator from Illinois, as inexperienced compared to herself and McCain.


“He (McCain) will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Sen. Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002,” she told reporters aboard her plane.


“And that’s why national security is a critical issue for Democrats as we go into this primary because everyone knows that John McCain will make this election about national security. That is a given. And it will be imperative that we have a nominee who is able to stand on that stage with Sen. McCain, and I believe I am the person best able to do that,” she said.




“His entire campaign is based on one speech he gave at an anti-war rally in 2002,” Clinton said of an Obama speech opposing the war in Iraq. “And I give him credit for making the speech, but the speech was not followed up with action, which is part of the pattern we have seen repeatedly—a lot of talk, little action.”

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/clinton_belittles_obama_as_a_l.html">more


Bill Clinton 2004

Now one of Clinton's laws of politics is this: If one candidate's trying to scare you and the other one's trying to get you to think, if one candidate's appealing to your fears and the other one's appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope.



GOBAMA '08

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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:53 PM
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1. The latest Hail Mary.
C'mon Tuesday, we've see enough.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:59 PM
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2. She said this while standing amidst the memory of tons of bullshit?
Really?

Oh!!! T.H.E. I.R.O.N.Y. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 05:02 PM
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3. It's like watching a wounded animal in the wild

you know there's nothing to prevent the end, but God you just want it to end quickly.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 05:10 PM
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4. McCain would eat her alive over the "experience" theme.
She must be off her meds to think she has a leg to stand on with that one.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 06:32 PM
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5. Obama/Fonzarelli in '08!
Barack and the Fonz -- what a supercool ticket!

Talk about change!

Talk about hope! Why, Barack and the Fonz can do anything!

Between the two of them, they'll bridge ALL the gaps.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 06:38 PM
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6. Hilary is quite the Scatterbrain -- Running the Whitehouse will be a Circus
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 06:38 PM
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7. Didn't Bush do this in 04 just before the election?
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 06:40 PM
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8. I want someone to make a commercial out of the clip:
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 06:41 PM by sparosnare
Bill Clinton 'endorsing' Obama; sort of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGW38Zy4bJo

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From The Left Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 06:43 PM
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9. Imagine the Drama of Hill and Bill Back in the WH?
It would be a nightmare.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 07:04 PM
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10. Not followed up with action...hhhmmm
I find it interesting that many Clinton supporters think Obama is all talk, no action. I do recall that he introduced the Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007 (S 433) on January 30, 2007 with co-sponsors Durbin, Leahy, and Sanders. While it didn't go anywhere but to the Committee on Foreign Relations, it's not like he hasn't attempted important legislation, or that Clinton has been more successful in her attempt. Their records, on average, are pretty similar, unless I'm missing something. :shrug:

S.433
Title: A bill to state United States policy for Iraq, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 1/30/2007) Cosponsors (3)
Related Bills: H.R.787
Latest Major Action: 1/30/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations.SUMMARY AS OF:
1/30/2007--Introduced.

Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007 - States that: (1) U.S. Armed Forces levels in Iraq after the date of enactment of this Act shall not exceed January 10, 2007, levels without specific statutory authority enacted by Congress after the date of the enactment of this Act; and (2) except as otherwise provided, the phased redeployment of U.S. Armed Forces from Iraq shall begin by May 1, 2007.

Authorizes the President to temporarily suspend such redeployment upon certification to Congress that: (1) such action is in the U.S. national interest; and (2) the government of Iraq is taking specified actions. Resumes redeployment if Congress enacts a joint resolution disapproving such suspension or suspension renewal.

Authorizes, upon certification by the President to Congress, post-deployment retention of certain forces in Iraq to: (1) protect U.S. personnel and facilities; (2) conduct targeted counter-terrorism operations; (3) provide training for Iraqi security forces; and (4) conduct Office of Defense Attache functions. Terminates retention if Congress enacts a joint resolution disapproving such retention.

Reaffirms provisions prohibiting the establishment of bases or installations providing for the permanent stationing of U.S. forces in Iraq.

States that it shall be U.S. policy to: (1) implement a plan to intensify training of Iraqi security forces; and (2) undertake diplomatic initiatives to restore peace in Iraq and prevent a regional conflict.

Conditions continued economic assistance (with exceptions for humanitarian, employment, and security assistance) to the government of Iraq after May 1, 2007, upon the President certifying to Congress that the government of Iraq is taking specified actions with respect to economic improvements and reducing sectarian violence.


Clinton introduced S. 670 on 2/16/2007. It, too, sits at the Committee on Foreign Relations.

S. 670: Iraq Troop Protection and Reduction Act of 2007

Sponsor: Sen. Hillary Clinton (no cosponsors)
Introduced Feb 16, 2007

Last Action:
Feb 16, 2007: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations.
Show All Related Votes

A bill to set forth limitations on the United States military presence in Iraq and on United States aid to Iraq for security and reconstruction, and for other purposes.
Overview

The following summary is provided by the Congressional Research Service, which is a nonpartisan government entity that serves Congress and is run by the Library of Congress. The summary is taken from the official website THOMAS.

2/16/2007--Introduced.

Iraq Troop Protection and Reduction Act of 2007 - Prohibits, with a limited presidential national security waiver, U.S. military force levels in Iraq after the date of the enactment of this Act from exceeding such levels as of January 1, 2007.
Prohibits appropriations for security and reconstruction assistance to the government of Iraq 90 days after enactment of this Act unless the President provides Congress with a specified certification respecting Iraq's: (1) security forces; (2) oil revenue distribution; (3) civil rights and political accommodation concerning its ethnic and sectarian groups; and (4) policy towards the participation of former Baath party members in the Iraqi government.

Terminates authority for the use of U.S. military forces in Iraq 90 days after enactment of this Act unless the use of such forces is specifically authorized by Congress in a statute enacted after enactment of this Act or the President provides Congress with a specified certification respecting: (1) U.S. redeployment and mission transition; (2) Iraq's security forces; (3) oil revenue distribution; (4) civil rights and political accommodation concerning Iraq's ethnic and sectarian groups; (5) the participation of former Baath party members in the Iraqi government; and (6) the convening of an international conference on Iraq. States that the termination shall: (1) continue in effect if Congress enacts a joint resolution disapproving the President's certification; and (2) not be construed to prohibit the use of U.S. military forces in Iraq for force protection, force security, or similar purposes during the U.S. military withdrawal from Iraq.

Prohibits the obligation or expenditure of funds to deploy U.S. military forces to Iraq unless the Secretary of Defense certifies to Congress that such forces are adequately equipped and trained for their missions.



According to GovTracks, Obama and Clinton have similar ratings in relation to bill sponsorship, and Obama gets lower marks for missing more votes. Obama sits on one more Committee than Clinton, and they both chair a subcommittee:

CLINTON:
Bill Sponsorship & Cosponsorship

Statistics: Hillary Clinton has sponsored 354 bills since Jan 22, 2001, of which 307 haven't made it out of committee (Extremely Poor) and 2 were successfully enacted (Average, relative to peers). Clinton has co-sponsored 1725 bills during the same time period (Average, relative to peers).

Clinton is a radical Democrat according to GovTrack's own analysis of bill sponsorship. (Where do these labels come from?)
SurveyUSA reports Clinton's job approval rating at 60% as of 2007-11-20. The average approval rating among senators in states surveyed is 53%. See their survey details for more information.
Hillary Clinton missed 167 of 2421 votes (7%) since Jan 23, 2001. The graph to the left shows the number of missed votes over time. Click for a larger chart.
Committee Membership

Hillary Clinton sits on the following committees:
Member, Senate Committee on Armed Services
Member, Subcommittee on Airland
Member, Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities
Member, Subcommittee on Readiness and Management Support
Member, Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works
Chairman, Subcommittee on Superfund and Environmental Health
Member, Subcommittee on Clean Air and Nuclear Safety
Member, Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure
Member, Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Member, Subcommittee on Children and Families
Member, Subcommittee on Employment and Workplace Safety
Member, Senate Special Committee on Aging

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300022



OBAMA
Bill Sponsorship & Cosponsorship

Statistics: Barack Obama has sponsored 129 bills since Jan 4, 2005, of which 120 haven't made it out of committee (Poor) and 1 were successfully enacted (Average, relative to peers). Obama has co-sponsored 548 bills during the same time period (Average, relative to peers).


Obama is a rank-and-file Democrat according to GovTrack's own analysis of bill sponsorship. (Where do these labels come from?)
Barack Obama missed 193 of 1113 votes (17%) since Jan 6, 2005. The graph to the left shows the number of missed votes over time. Click for a larger chart.
Committee Membership

Barack Obama sits on the following committees:
Member, Senate Committee on Foreign Relations
Chairman, Subcommittee on European Affairs
Member, Subcommittee on African Affairs
Member, Subcommittee on East Asian and Pacific Affairs
Member, Subcommittee on International Development and Foreign Assistance, Economic Affairs and International Environmental Protection
Member, Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Member, Subcommittee on Children and Families
Member, Subcommittee on Employment and Workplace Safety
Member, Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
Member, Subcommittee on Ad Hoc Subcommittee on State, Local, and Private Sector Preparedness and Integration
Member, Subcommittee on Investigations
Member, Subcommittee on Federal Financial Management, Government Information, Federal Services, and International Security
Member, Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 07:35 PM
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11. It is very interesting to note that the voting record
seems to show Obama dropping off votes 3 months before Clinton. Could it be he began his planning 3 months before Hillary?
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 08:05 PM
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14. I don't know. It feels to me that Hillary has been running for president for years now, though.
Maybe it's just Clinton fatigue.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 08:09 PM
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15. The clintons have been conniving for
years and anyone who has paid attention should be disgusted with their raw grab for power.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 07:38 PM
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12. The only crisis experience she has
is dealing with the blue dress.
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ExFreeper4Obama Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 07:40 PM
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13. OMG she is sticking up for McCain
Is she a Republican or Democrat? I can't even tell anymore.



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