It would be ironic as hell if Florida become a player in the nomination...

[trumad]

After all---they lost their delegate sponsors because they broke party rules by moving up their primary.

Now--- they're hinting at a do-over in June, which may make them the state that ends the whole thing.

Weird.--- but then again, Florida, my state, will find a way to fuck it up.-

[randr]

1. Once again the Nation is held captive by Florida and/or Ohio

[aquarius dawning]

15. yeah, heaven forbid we should let people vote who might fuck up your plans

because we all know the world revolves around you and your plans.

[randr]

17. My plans are to put an end to the republican dominance

Ohio and Florida election officials have shown disdain and scorn for the elective process and I have every right and reason to doubt the authenticity of results or motivations from either state.
Were the hell have you been the last 20 years?

[aquarius dawning]

28. Living in Ohio mostly.

[seafan]

2. Heard Ed Rendell mentioning last night a do-over in June for FL and MI.

Keith O. asked Chuck Todd (IIRC) if Rendell had just let something slip about the do-overs, perhaps was it being talked about behind closed doors.... Todd said 'interesting question, I don't know.'


I am firmly in support of another primary or caucus in FL. It will give us a chance to see/hear from these candidates in person and to seat legitimate delegates. Twelve more weeks is also a long time to take note of the Clinton campaign's bulldozer tactics and incendiary negative rhetoric.


I sincerely hope that Floridians think long and hard about it.

[Rebellious Republican]

20. What services are you willing to give up to pay for an 18 million dollar

primary. I am not trying to be insulting seafan. Honestly, are you aware that we the taxpayer has to foot the bill for another primary at an estimated cost of 18 million dollars. If you have not been paying attention, the republican controlled legislature has been cutting services left and right in this state because of "revenue short falls" that they created.

Maybe a caucus would be a better solution, that way the party has to pick up the tab. Which in comparison to the money being spent on all the campaigns combined, is a drop in the bucket.

Just food for thought, thats all.

[seafan]

23. Please be reassured, Rebellious Republican; I pay attention to what is going on here in Florida.

As I see it, these are the facts:


1. A revote, in some form, is needed.

2. Our Republican-run legislature is not interested in doing anything whatsoever to assist Democrats in working this out. Yes, our budget is in chaos.

3. A state primary would require around 18-20 million, I've read.

4. Statewide caucuses would cost around $4 Million. We could probably work this out cost-wise.

5. Another possibility is a mail-in vote.


According to FL Dem Chair Karen Thurman in a statement released late March 5:

....."It is important to remember that the Democratic nominating process does not end until June 10. The Florida Democratic Party continues to work with our leadership, Sen. Clinton, Sen. Obama and the Democratic National Committee to ensure this state is fully represented at the National Convention.

.....

"It is important that we are clear about one issue. At this time, no suggested alternative process has been able to meet three specific and important requirements: the full participation from both candidates, a guaranteed commitment of the millions of dollars it will cost to conduct the event and a detailed election plan that would enfranchise all Florida Democrats, including our military service members serving in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere.

"The Florida Democratic Party cannot consider any alternative that does not meet these requirements. .....

IMHO, a mail-in vote would satisfy all three of these requirements. And, it would be the most economical way to solve the problem.



Right now, I see this as the best answer.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. The Initial Vote Was A Primary/ The Re-Do Should Be A Primary

It would be like replaying a basketball game that was originally played on a full court on a half court...

That would add insult to injury...

[DrDan]

3. seems to me we should hear from all the voters . . .

after all, those of us living in Florida will probably be voting in the GE.

In breaking the party rules, it was those leading the party - not the voters. Hold them accountable, not the voters. The party at both the state and national level should be interested in what the voters have to say.

"Florida" did not find a way to screw this up - the party leaders did. I also hold the national leaders at fault for not striving toward a compromise of sorts.

Nothing but a power-play and the voters got screwed.

[trumad]

6. compromise...LOL

It was the repub dominated legislature that did this.... fuck compromise.

[DrDan]

7. and who was it who said my vote should not be counted

[DrDan]

8. are you suggesting Dean and the state party leaders could not have found a better solution than

to disenfranchise all Florida voters?

[madfloridian]

9. Florida was told the consequences for months. They laughed at the DNC

And they went on TV and made fun of Dean. Really classy stuff.

[trumad]

10. Please

The repub Florida legislature dictated terms and Dean told them to fuck themselves.

[DrDan]

11. did the repub legislature decide that no Fl delegates would be seated?

of course not. That is where I suggest Dean and the State could have compromised so voters would not have been disenfranchised.

[trumad]

12. No---they decided to move the primary early

hence breaking the fucking rules. What---should we move the primary 23 years early? Is there not a limit. Florida and Michigan broke the rules and not they're paying for it.

[DrDan]

14. you think "they" are paying for it, I think "we" are paying for it

"23 years" - what the heck does that mean? There were earlier primaries - so Florida was within any established limit.

It was a power-grab between the leaders of the National party and the leaders of the state party. And the voters paid for it.

It was a "screw the voters" situation.

[trumad]

22. I meant months....

Can they break the rules anytime they want... what about next election... you want to move it back before New Hampshire.... what if New Hampshire wants to then move it back before Florida? Do you see where this can lead?

[susankh4]

24. Unfortunately

none of this history matters now.

Because we are being villianized, in the MSM, as the party that doesn't count all votes. "The democratic party isn't democratic." That's the war cry from the right.

Put this on top of our poorly understood Superdelegates and..... we look like fools.

Damn.

[Florida22ndDistrict]

4. RE: It would be ironic

Florida will be a major player regardless of what happens here. We can be a major player for McCain come November, or the DNC can choose to get their shit together.

[Exilednight]

5. Yes, because this works out so well for us.

:sarcasm:

[RememberWellstone]

13. We should matter

I am pissed, as a Floridian, that my vote did not count..Hillary won it big here and would clobber the Chicago kid again. Crist has his own reasons..but make no mistake, we will have another vote and Hillary will pummel Obama beyond recognition.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. She Will Beat Him By Double Digits Here In A Primary

That's why I'm beginning to hear sneaky voices calling for a caucus...

It would be like have a re-match in a boxing match except instead of a twenty foot ring a fifteen foot ring is used and instead of a fifteen round bout it's now twelve...

[jmg257]

16. 18 MILLION $$ says it might not happen. Seems no one wants to pay the money. Who is responsible?

I mean - who has to pay for it?

[Rebellious Republican]

19. My thoughts exactly jmg, who will pick up the 18 million $ price tag?

I am stuck in this third world Banana Republic known as Florida. We get screwed more ways then I can keep track of. How come we do not hear anyone saying that if the party really wants our votes to count, they would gladly have a caucus instead of a primary.

The party pays for a caucus, not the taxpayer. Why should I be penalized for having to have two primaries and having to pay for them both. I don't care who created or did not create this fucked up mess, it sure the hell was not me and the other hardworking tax payers in this state. To hear the Governor and the Republican controlled legislature tell it, this state is broke. If this state is so fucking poor, how is it they keep coming up with asinine ways to spend the money we do not have. Fuck it, I say caucus or not at all. I am fed up with politics, and I am not the only one down here that is.

Corporations control this country, who knows when the last time we the people actually had our votes count in America. When you live in a place like Florida, you come to understand that Presidents are decided in the board rooms, not at the polls.

[Mike03]

18. I don't understand any of this, and I thought I was well-informed

Isn't Florida a major player? Didn't Gore allegedly "lose" because of Florida? That's why I am completely confused as to why there was not a vigorous campaign by our Dems in that state.

[LisaL]

21. They moved their primary, and were punished by not having

any delegates. That's why there was no campaign.

[cooolandrew]

27. Apparently Repubs in their local government decided the date change initallly. Surprise.