Missouri v. Ohio, which bellweather state means the most?

[GumboYaYa]

Missouri has voted for the winner in the Presidential election since 1904 except in 1956. Ohio has voted for the winner in every election since 1896 except for two times.

Which state matters more? If the dems had won either in 2000 or 2004, they would have won the presidency.

Isn't this kind of like arguing about college football teams, there is an argument to support just about any fan's opinion? In the end it is best just to settle it on the field. See LSU versus Ohio State.

[Independent-Voter]

1. Missouri. There's nothing but backwash left in Ohio, and they sure as hell don't represent the US

[DemBones DemBones]

18. That's a fine sentiment for a Democrat to express.

Calling all the people in a state "backwash" makes you look very petty and prejudiced. There are many blacks in Ohio so this is a racist statement, too.


Disclaimer: I'm not from Ohio, never have been there but once for an hour or less.

But I've lived in eight states so I know that you can find good people and assholes everywhere.

[aquarius dawning]

21. Funny, Ohio was the greatest thing in the world around here just a few months ago

Now we're backwash to the same people? Fuck you.

[napi21]

2. Ohio. It has a much bigger population, more electoral votes, and

has been harmed the most by NAFTA & the policies of this admin.

[sandnsea]

3. Dem voters supported Obama in both states

The counties that traditionally go Dem, went Obama. That's true of most states, except the Latino vote in CA and TX.

[BzaDem]

4. I'm skeptical of the whole "bellweather" thing.

Most of these primaries have not decided anything -- the nomination was a foregone conclusion well before Missouri and Ohio in some cases.

However, if it turns out Hillary's large victory in Ohio means Obama might have a problem winning Ohio in the GE, that should definately be looked at.

[GumboYaYa]

6. If the concern is performance in the GE, does that mean that how voters

will react to a power play where the superdelegates overrule the primaries and caucuses should be of paramount concern?

[BzaDem]

12. Lol @ powerplay

How about if Clinton ends up winning the popular vote, but Obama wins more delegates in a system that awards Idaho caucusgoers 25 times the voting power as Texas voters. Won't that be seen as a powerplay? Bush vs. Gore all over again?

[MadBadger]

5. Ohio is more important cuz it has more electoral votes

However I think states like Colorado, Virginia, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa neutralize one Ohio

[Independent-Voter]

7. I don't think HRC wins Ohio in the GE, Obama MIGHT, but it's a long shot.

Ohio's swung for Bush the last 2 times, so clearly they're not the sharpest tools to begin with. Anyway, for the Dems to win Ohio, they need to get some combination of the following.

*get the college crowd to actually vote. All those lily-white kids at Miama, OU, Kent, and the mob at OSU need to swing strong for the dems for ya'll to have a chance.

*Neutralize the boomer soccer mom crowd. You damn well know that the GOP will be trying a repeat of 2004 with the "security moms." Given that HRC took these, you can see those kind of scare tactics work, but I hate seeing 3am ads.

*Get the inner-city voters out en masse.

*Hope the Johnny Ditchweed and Martha Methlab folks in SE Ohio forget there's an election.


I think ya'll best bet is to bet the farm in Ohio, hope for the best in Florida (not going to happen though), and push very hard in all those purple states where Obama kicked HRC's ass by 20% to win the overall GE.

[MadBadger]

11. I think both of them win Ohio

I dont think the straight talk express works in states like Michigan or Ohio really. They want to hear about how to get their jobs back, not how they are gone.

[557188]

19. Wow such idiocy

Hillary just blew Obama out in Ohio and you think Obama might win the state while Hillary can't?

You basically have zero credibility now.

I love how uninformed people try to act like experts about this state. Incredible.

[jsamuel]

8. MO was really a tie at 49-48, OH was a 10% win for Clinton

[Tom Rinaldo]

13. Less than 10,000 votes seperated them in MO...

...over 200,000 votes seperated them in OH. OH is a little bigger than MO, but not that much bigger.

[cottonseed]

9. Don't care much for Ohio since WKRP stopped airing.

[OzarkDem]

10. Obama won Missouri by a very narrow margin

If Clinton is the nominee, she will carry it easily.

[aquarius dawning]

14. Obama won amongst the AAs of both those states and that's about it.

It's hard to answer your question with that in mind.

[FrenchieCat]

17. Well, we already know that AA votes don't mean squat.....

thanks for making that abundantly clear.

I have to bookmark this eloquent post of your.

[aquarius dawning]

20. I'm sure I never even came close to saying that but I'm in no way surprised

that you would look for any opportunity to lay down a race card rather than discuss the merits of a point.

[Sir Jeffrey]

15. VA plus MO > OH nt

[FrenchieCat]

16. Ohio voted for McCain

[progdog]

22. 17% of Clinton's Ohio voters

Voted for Hillary because they said race mattered to them.
Just something nobody is talking about.