I Will Walk Away!

[TheZug]

If Barack Obama arrives at the Democratic Convention with more elected delegates, more votes, and more states and the nomination is given to Hillary Clinton, I will not vote for the nominee.

Since when do you get the nomination because you win "big states"? What the hell kind of rule is that? A made-up one, that's what, by the Clintons.

http://iwillwalkaway.blogspot.com

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

1. So Do You Really Think Your Tantrum Is More Important Than The Damage Of Republican Rule?

Serious question.

[wileedog]

8. To play Devil's advocate

Why should I prop up an alternative party that is willing to toss my vote away because they feel like it?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

19. So Do You Really Think Your Tantrum Is More Important Than The Damage Of Republican Rule?

Don't deflect. Don't give me justifications as to why you think you're right. Just answer the question.

[Yes We Did]

46. As each day passes, I am failing to see much difference.

At least between Hillary and McCain.

And quite frankly, I would almost have a repuke in office when the enconomy crashes and bush's house of cards comes crashing down.

I don't see Hillary being able to stop that, I don't think Hillary wants to stop it. She has too much to gain.

So, no, if it comes down to it, and she wins this despite losing the popular vote, pledged delegates, and states won... No, I don't see any difference between her and the neo-cons.

I just won't vote... I don't think I'll ever vote again.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

71. Then You're Ignorant. Please Educate Yourself To The Political Reality.

For real. If you can say such a thing with such sincerity, then it means you are completely ignorant as it relates to mccain and Hillary. Educate yourself and then you'll see why what you said is so ridiculous.

[NMMatt]

87. Policy wise Clinton on paper is better than McCain

But McCain has more integrity than Hillary. They are both sold out to lobbyists, true, however the Clintons are obviously more corrupt and will destroy the Democratic Party in their pursuit of power. I knew this as far back as the late 90's. 4 years of Republican rule is a price I am willing to pay to remove the Clintons from the Democratic Party.

[MagsDem]

26. More people have voted for her than him in the primary

That's a fact. You may heartily believe he has more support than she does, but the facts just don't support that. Sorry.

[Yes We Did]

50. I hate to tell you, well not really, but that is NOT true.

If you count JUST the primaries, he wins that too. By like... 6 delegates. So, that argument is false anyway.

Of course, since we DO have caucuses, you are kind of irrelevant here anyway.

[IsItJustMe]

53. You keep spewing this all over DU. That's simply not true.

[jgraz]

82. She knows full well it's not true

That's never stopped her before.

[cali]

96. lie upon lie.

Some posters here make me puke. Particularly lying assholes who post the same lie over and over without any evidence, and when confronted with the evidence that their liars, just blithely continue lying their sleazy asses off. fucking little psychos.

[TheZug]

10. I can only support a party that's fair, not one that picks a candidate contrary to voter wishes.

And no, "big state" or "blue state" voters don't count more than any other ones.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

17. You Think That The Republican Party Is Fair? Cause That's Who You're Supporting If You Don't Vote.

Not voting or voting 3rd party is the equivalent of giving 1/2 a vote to John McCain. That would mean you gave the republican party more support than the Democratic party. Are you trying to tell me the republicans have earned your vote?

I think you may want to rethink the tantrum.

[MagsDem]

20. She has 20K more votes than he does in the popular vote

So your case falls flat. He is NOT preferred by any majority over her by any means. They should vote for experience since neither candidate can win without the supers.

[Voltaire]

What experience does she have. . .

make it good, okay?

[Chisox08]

74. In what world does Hillary has 20K more votes than Obama?

[cali]

97. no one believes your bullshit

and what the fuck are YOU doing even posting in this thread? You threaten to vote for McCain when hilly dear loses.

[jpak]

11. What could be worse??

Series ????...

[Exilednight]

18. Hill is not Bill and just as insane as McCain.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

25. Now That's One Of The Most Stupid Things I've Heard All Night. Congrats.

:crazy:

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[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

36. Figures You Would.

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[LakeSamish706]

15. I feel the same as the OP on this... If she cheats to win... Screw the Democratic....

party and I would walk away as well... (As in stay home and not vote) I was from the very beginning an "Anyone but Hillary" person, but in the last several weeks have intensified that position 10 fold...

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

21. So Do You Really Think Your Tantrum Is More Important Than The Damage Of Republican Rule?

Please answer the question.

[jpak]

27. Stealing elections is SOOOOOO December 2000

*yawn*

[LakeSamish706]

42. You really want me to answer this? Ok, I don't find Hillary much different than...

either Bush or McCain actually... and I really wonder if she is a Democrat in sheep's clothing... And that is a true response to your question... Hillary has never, and will never sit well with me....

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[LakeSamish706]

68. Whatever.. You have your opinion... and hey thats what Democracy is all about. n/t

[LakeSamish706]

70. Oh and by the way... "whatever you say, your the boss" n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

72. It's "You're", And I'm Right. Please, Educate Yourself To The Reality, Ok?

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[Ukelezebra]

77. I agree. Unity comes first

There is a big difference between the Democratic candidates and McCain, regardless of who we support between Hillary and Obama.

[lapfog_1]

93. Except that Hillary left the Democratic party - n/t

[Cha]

32. Hell, hilary's already endorsed mccain so

if the dlc gets its way and hilary is the nominee then she'll just bide her time for four years and run again. Wait a minute..don't Dems get just one chance at it?

[superkia]

69. Some people feel that there are corrupt officials on both sides...

and don't hold much stock in continuing to divide ourselves as people. There are also those who feel that the letter D shows who you are and that you are for the people, while the letter R shows who you are and that you are against the people. Our government will continue to play the WWE wrestling style of politics as long as we fall for them. There is no evil side and good side in politics, that is a game played to divide and conquer. Yes Bush and his guys have ran a muck but thats their role as the evil side, otherwise the elites agenda would go no where. Just look at what has happened and what the people with the letter D's HAVE NOT done and you will see who stands where.The war for oil and all the lies to get us there will tell you who shares what agendas.

Together we stand, divided we fall and they have us all fighting each others as Americans over two stupid letters.

People will say that we risk having certain major laws overturned if one or the other get in but that wont happen. They realize that if they touch those touchy subjects, it will get Americans VERY involved and they like us sleeping. Its all a game with a few good ones trying but being shutdown by money and power.

I also agree with the OP and I go further, after what Clinton is doing to the party, I will not vote for her, she is proving to ME who I have always saw her to be. I would rather McCain than Clinton, at least then Americans will be angry, pay more attention and possibly get involved to make change. Now on the other hand, I would rather have Obama because he is already getting people involved and he is doing it in a positive way.

[RBInMaine]

2. Clinton Team = OLD STALE STINKING THINKING !!

They are the 20-state strategy crowd. The LOSER past. DEFEAT THEM !!

[depakid]

62. Much as I have problems with the Clintons on policy

One thing they didn't do was lose general elections... nor go into them with naive notions about who they were up against and what they would do. Frankly, I thank God for Perot, because were it not for him that year, Clinton/Gore would have been up against both barrels, without anyone to share the criticism and attacks with.

[Medusa]

3. the Clintons are trying desperately to frame a debate

so they can get the superdelegate vote. They are trying to present a convincing argument, no matter how illogical, that she would make a better candidate.

[democraticscapegoat]

hey OP

dont let the door hit you on the AS@

Are you bigger than the Party? We need the Canidate with the best shot at beating MCstain. Obama is too weak and frail. He can't even put Clinton away. Think about what the Refugs will do to him...
nah, we cant have him represent us. One need someone who has some balls!

[Exilednight]

23. That's some flawed logic. If Hillary was so strong she should have put Obama away by now instead...

of being behind him.

[MagsDem]

45. She didn't get a fawning media like he did, now did he?

And he is barely, barely winning. What it is with Obama people that can't face the fact that it is a dead heat when you count all the voters?

[Voltaire]

65. But since counting DELEGATES is the goal of the Primary

What is this continual nonsense of the popular vote eh? If the shoe was on the other foot you'd probably be saying the same thing I am saying to you now.

[eridani]

86. She sure did when she was Ms. Inevitable n/t

[cali]

98. keep telling yourself that same stupid lie

but sorry, that won't make it any truer. Obama is ahead by every measure. Odds are strong that he will be the nominee, and you'll be able to vote for your hero, McCain.

[anigbrowl]

9. This says a lot about what a HRC administration would be like

That's what bugs me most...it's not like if she got elected she would suddenly turn into a paragon of integrity. We'd get stuf like this every time she was in a political hole. Maybe we should have thought about this when she was going on about 'a vast right wing conspiracy' all those years ago and asked ourselves if that was really the right way to win a political tussle.

[Ino]

83. I never understood why the Repukes HATED the Clintons so much

But...God help me... I'm starting to wonder if they weren't right.

[skooooo]

4. Someone i was listening too said if that happened...

..there would be riots in the street.

[Quixote1818]

7. It would be devastating to the Democratic party. Like killing Santa Claus in front ot the kids

as someone on CNN put it.

[MagsDem]

35. No it wouldn't

Where does this bullshit come from that he is so preferred over her by primary voters? That is media spin. The numbers simply don't support that. Period.

[Quixote1818]

52. The guy on CNN was pointing to the millions who got involved this year, who

had not participated before. There are millions and they would likely give up on participating if they felt it was taken away from them and all their hard work. They would be disillusioned by the system, realizing it's run by the power-brokers and not the people.

[MagsDem]

55. Are you serious?

Tell them to go home and sit in a corner then. I have been supporting democrats for 30 yrs. If their support for the dem party is that shallow all I can say is they need to grow the fuck up. I'm not in favor of handing the nod to someone just because more johnny come lately political children support him.

[skooooo]

67. You mean the make believe numbers?

In Hillary's fantasy land? Yeah those are looking good for her.

Back here in reality, she's in 2nd place.

[MagsDem]

30. Oh bullshit

Look at the popular vote totals.... she actually has more voters than he does. No one is going to riot in the streets if the supers choose experience over Obama. You just wish they would.

[IsItJustMe]

60. No she don't.. Quit spreading this shit. You are counting Florida and Michigan. And to top that

off, the real popular vote can not even be verified bacause some of the caucus state don't even report popular vote totals. Sleeze at any cost to win an election just turns alot of people off. PERIOD.

[moobu2]

5. I wont vote for Barack even if he does scam the system and gets the delegates

[ScreamingMeemie]

6. Personally?

I think you're better off focusing on local Dems. Supporting and spending your money on them. The big kids? They're all the same. And they lost me this time around.

[femrap]

12. Pres. McCain. real fucking smart, zug.

[MagsDem]

13. Well here's hoping you walk away then

The specific role of super delegates is to vote for whomever they think they should vote for, specifically so the media spin doesn't select our candidate for us. And sorry, that is exactly what has happened with Obama.

[quantass]

14. Don't worry...the democratic party isn't that stupid to give it to Hillary

in that scenario

[MagsDem]

16. If the popular vote stands the way it is now....

with her winning or even tied with him then they should go with the most experienced candidate with a proven ability to beat rethugs. And that would be HRC. Neither can win without the supers. If the supers are smart they will elect her.

[daelin]

37. no

If they pick their candidate with it being tied, then it negates the entire voting and campaigning process for both of them. If they can't figure that out, they'll end up giving the race to the Republicans which I hope doesn't happen.

[TheZug]

38. Then why have primaries at all, if they're going to pick Hillary anyway?

[MagsDem]

51. Half the voters HAVE picked Hillary

Why do you find that such a difficult concept to grasp?

[cali]

99. they won't buy hilly's false math, dear

and the supers aren't stupid enough to vote for the loser. Tough shir for you.

[HopeforChange]

22. Put a petition link on this page ...

Let's see how many signatures we can get.

[democraticscapegoat]

29. yeah lets do a petition

maybe we can get 400 or 500 or so.....

Start one!

[Tom Rinaldo]

24. In 2004, if Kerry won 20 States and Bush won 30 States

Would it have bothered you to elect John Kerry President? Bush won 31 and Kerry won 19, had Kerry won Ohio he would be President today.

Stop counting States. If that were the criteria Republicans would win almost every time.

[sandnsea]

54. Aargh, we're counting delegates

Hillary keeps saying nothing matters except big states so maybe she is the one that ought to stop counting states and start paying attention to delegates.

[Bake]

28. So the O-bots will take their little red wagon and go home.

You were never real Democrats in the first place.

Bake

[NMMatt]

88. Bullshit - I've voted Democrat all my life

However, I am a small "d" democrat first. The principle of democracy is more important than a single election.

[daelin]

31. 2000

Isn't that what happened in the Bush/Gore election of 2000? He only really campaigned in the BIG states and won those (except for Florida which is a Republican state most likely due to overseas ballots).

[TheZug]

34. So I should just obey, no matter what new rules she makes up to win the nomination?

[MagsDem]

41. No, you should realize the party is split 50 / 50 on the issue

and stop pretending Obama is some demi-god with overwhelming support. He isn't, not matter what shills like KO and Tweety tell you. The numbers tell the tale. Grow up and get on the reality train. Half the voters are going to be pissed no matter which way the supers go.

[TheZug]

44. Since when is one side having more delegates and one having less 50/50??

[MagsDem]

48. He cannot win without the supers any more than she can....

Do you simply not understand that? The popular vote totals are fifty / fifty, and if you respected FL voters he'd have less than 50 delegates on her. It's fantasy to suggest he is winning by anything but the thinnest of margins.

[TheZug]

81. Oh, so 50/50 becomes "the thinnest of margins."

Which means he's ahead. Did the Patriots get to win the Super Bowl because the Giants only won "by the thinnest of margins"? Ahead is ahead. It ain't 50/50. Why would somebody who's ahead not get the nomination? What the hell is this, China?

[NMMatt]

89. You are wrong on all counts

First of all he needs 30% of super delegates. She needs over 70% of the remaining. So don't pretend that they "both need super delegates" is the same in each case. Second, he'd still have well over a 100 delegate margin if you included the beauty contest in Florida. It is not 50/50 - there is a clear winning candidate. He has a 600,000 vote margin on her in the popular vote, unless you count the politburo MI primary. The very fact that she counts that makes me respect Clinton even less - since she obviously has absolutely no respect for democracy.

The only thing Clinton can do is try to discredit Obama's win and slime him enough by teaming up with McCain to overturn it. If the democratic party actually falls for this - they deserve her scum as a candidate and they certainly don't deserve my vote in the presidential election.

[Umbram]

73. Clinton's done moving the goalposts - now there simply are none. nt.

[daelin]

43. yes

How long have you been a Democrat?

[TheZug]

47. 20 years.

One year after I made a stupid decision the first time I voted at 18, and then came to my senses.

[David Zephyr]

39. You want need to walk away. The Clintons must now choose how the lose.

That's all they have left: They get to choose how they lose.

They can choose to do the right thing and bow out now and possibly be part of Obama's ticket.

They can play this out longer and longer as their supporters continue to peel away from them and they get meaner and meaner as is their current trend.

They can take it all the way to the convention trying to cut back room deals that will be exposed and which will backfire against them.

They can burn slowly or bow out with grace soon.

But, believe me, in the unlikely event that somehow they were to cheat the system as you suggest, you will not be the only one upset. There will be tens of thousands of young people traveling to Denver this summer and pro-war Hillary will become pro-war Hubert Humphrey and pro-war John McCain will become pro-war Nixon.

You heard it here: the Clintons only have one choice left now: choosing the manner of how they lose.

[styersc]

40. buh-bye

[Uben]

56. I've seen so many "I quit" threads this election....

...or I'll change parties, or I'll vote for the opposition. You couldn't get me out of the democratic party with a butcher knife and a gallon of alcohol!

I guess I have seen my candidate lose so many times I have become immune to it. My passion for politics has simmered a bit over the years. There's not a damn thing you can do about it except suck it up and get ready for the next election. I came here in 2001 because George Bush had just stolen the election and I needed a place to be with others who felt the same as I did. It gave us a place to co-miserate and cuss the bastards who had wronged us. That is what DU was for back then. Since, it has morphed into a political shit storm around election time. You watch, after the primaries people will settle down. Some of us will still be pissed our candidate didn't make the cut, but their will be unity against the republican opposition, and we will focus our attentions on that.

[Upton]

57. You're hardly alone

maybe I'm too idealistic, but my conscience will not allow me to vote for Hillary under such a scenario.

[emilyg]

58. 'Bye.

[OnionPatch]

59. I'm with you. And they should change the name of the party, too.

If that happens, they would be making a mockery of the name "Democratic" Party. I would not participate in such a sham. It would be time for me to join that third party that has been beckoning over the years.

[CakeGrrl]

61. Yes. The difference that some people are refusing to acknowledge is that

due to that pesky arithmetic, the only way Clinton gets the nom is to steal it one way or another by strongarming SDs or getting the rules changed in the middle of the game. I won't rehash the scenarios because it's been described over and over and over.

If Obama wins, it's because he earned more pledged delegates and the SDs vote along with them. He doesn't have to try to crib illegal votes from Michigan.

Bottom line: Clinton only wins if she cheats. I don't stomach a cheater at any and all costs when it comes to stealing the power of the vote.

Clinton supporters may keep their vote from Obama, but it won't be because he stole the nomination.

[TheZug]

66. B-but it's not cheating if she does it! Blue states! Big states! She's a fighter!

[Arkansas Granny]

79. Please explain to me, if you can, how Hillary can cheat the system.

If she wins the nomination becuase of the super delegates, it will be because they feel that she is the best choice to win and the best one to support the Democratic party.

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Rationale For Super-Delegates
The Democratic Party established this system in part in response to the nomination of George McGovern in 1972. McGovern took only one state and had only 37.5 percent of the popular vote. Then in 1976, Jimmy Carter was a dark-horse candidate with little national experience. Super-delegates were implemented in 1984.
Super-delegates are designed to act as a check on ideologically extreme or inexperienced candidates. It also gives power to people who have a vested interested in party policies: elected leaders. Because the primary and caucus voters do not have to be active members of the party (in New Hampshire they can sign up and sign out going-and-coming at the polls), the super-delegate system has been called a safety-value.

Importance of Super-Delegates
The Democratic Party allocates delegates based on a state's Presidential vote in the prior three elections and the number of electors. In addition, states that hold their primaries or caucuses later in the cycle receive bonus delegates.

It has been 30 years since the Democratic Party had a cliffhanger going into the Convention. If there is no clear winner after state primaries and caucuses, then the super-delegates -- who are bound only by their consciences -- will decide the nominee.

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/2008elections/tp/super_delegates.htm

[CakeGrrl]

84. If Obama goes to the convention with the leads per the OP's standard

and Clinton STILL manages to walk away with the nomination, I won't consider the SDs putting her over the top a 'safety valve' or a check against a voting aberration; it's nullifying the will of the voters the way the SC did in FL 2000.

[roamer65]

63. I'll vote for her...but it doesn't matter who really wins.

Economically this country is on auto-pilot to DISASTER. McCain, Clinton or Obama will be a one-termer, all thanks to the dipshit squatting in the WH right now. My vote this time around will simply be an anti-Rethug vote, nothing more...nothing less.

[MediaBabe]

91. Will you be my friend?

It is such a rarity to find someone who is able to see the big picture. I want so much for Hillary to win but at the same time I feel so sorry for whoever takes office next. It will be a nightmare sorting out the mess that the Bush Administration has left behind.

[elixir]

64. The race will be won by the candidate with the most delegates.

[AZBlue]

75. It won't happen that way. That's just talking points from the Clinton camp-pain.

And, like the rest of their talking points, it's full of BS.

[NMMatt]

90. I agree... but the Democratic Party needs to know that if they over turn our votes

We will not support their candidate.

[tandem5]

78. I support Clinton, but

if after all the states have voted, Obama still has the overall popular vote and the delegate lead then I think he should be the nominee. If, however, the delegate count and the popular vote are split between candidates I think super delegate discretion needs to be exercised when selecting the nominee.

"Big states" have been taking a lot of heat lately for their larger delegate allocation, demographics, and electoral college consideration for the general election. But I just want to be clear on why we have delegates and do not use an overall vote tally when selecting a nominee: its a states' rights issue. Like the electoral college this system is designed to give smaller states more of a voice. In order for this to work it has to come at the expense of voters in larger states. I use this example a lot lately, but I live in California and it takes about 10,000 votes to appoint one delegate. In Wyoming, however, assuming the turnout was 100% of registered voters (it was much lower) the ratio is about 4600 to 1.

I can understand the position of living in a small state and being overlooked in elections, but I also appreciate the disadvantage I have as an individual voting in a big one.

[Drops_not_Dope]

80. me too

:hi:

[HughMoran]

85. I like eggs

I looooove eggs

:rofl:

[Shae]

92. I don't think that will happen, but if it did ...

I have never voted for a Republican in my life, nor have I missed voting in a Presidential election since I was old enough to vote. But if Obama wins the primaries with more delegates, and the nomination is "awarded" to Clinton, I would not vote for her.
I think also that African-Americans would leave the party in droves, and I wouldn't blame them at all.

If it happened, I don't think the Democratic party would ever recover from it. I don't think it will happen. If it did, it would send a message, loud and clear, that the people we argued with over the years who said that their votes don't count, were right, and that democracy in America is a sham.

[mtnester]

94. I am not fooled

not one bit

[CreekDog]

95. They won't simply give it to Clinton in that scenario

Yes it's scary that the Clintons will try to take it that way, but it doesn't mean they will.

If Obama's numbers stay at similar levels, then for HRC to win by superdelegates, she is going to need to get 325 of the 350 uncommitted superdelegates.

There is no way in hell that is happening.

[amborin]

100. It's a rational rule....to win the GE, one must win big states, and Ohio,too