Dream Ticket. Yes I have a dream, Martin Luther King's dream made flesh

[Ian_walker]

You say the Dream Ticket is just a dream...

Well that may be true and in truth, I do have a dream...

Yes I have a dream, Martin Luther King Jr's dream made flesh...

"I Have a Dream"
"...one day right there in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers..."
A speech delivered by Martin Luther King, Jr. on the 28 August 1963, at the Lincoln Memorial, Washington D.C.

A black man and white woman as presidential nominees for the Presidency of the United States of America

Forgive us will you, our dreams?

Below I have rewritten the Chris Weigant speech to turn it into the Strategic UNITY Speech

THE STRATEGIC UNITY SPEECH
This version of the speech leaves the contest open but runs it without internecine war and unites the whole Democratic Party. It allows both candidates to continue to run for the Presidential Nomination. It does not Force any candidate to run as the VP. It says that both candidates will accept the will of the Democratic Party.

"We would like to address the people in the Democratic Party for a moment.

Our party is now pretty equally divided between ourselves. The race is about tied. We are obviously the two strongest candidates this party has to offer to win the White House in 2008. We both have our relative strengths, and much of the electorate is genuinely conflicted over who to select in the voting booth. Some say this is fracturing our party, but we don't believe that is true. The Republican Party is divided because of antipathy among their different factions -- but we are proud to say that our party is conflicted over who is the best between two very good choices.

So we would like to take this opportunity to offer each other the Vice Presidential spot on the Democratic ticket, should we be nominated by the party for President. Should the other be nominated, we are publicly saying we would accept that as well. We think both of us should get behind the idea of a 'dream ticket' right here on this stage. We challenge our party and America to do the same."

I leave you to think on that speeches reception.

(follow link for the original Chris Weigant version of the speech written for Obama)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/how-obama-could-wrap-it-u_b_85595.html



DREAM TICKET you know it makes sense!

Because UNITY is a positive message.
Because UNITY is a strong message.
Because UNITY is a powerful message.

What is the NeoConMen's message? Hate Fear and Loathing.

The NeoConMen hate Obama
The NeoConMen hate Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Kerry
The NeoConMen hate Edwards
The NeoConMen hate Bill Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Gore
The NeoConMen hate JFK
The NeoConMen hate Carter
The NeoConMen hate the Dream Ticket
The NeoConMen even hate their very own McCain

The NeoConMen hate every single Democratic Party candidate, they always have and always will.

HATE is all they do.

They account for less than 30% of voters and declining. They have some loud mouthpieces like Fox and Talk Radio and the rest of the NeoConMen's media.

Their time is ended.

All they have left is Hate.

UNITY triumphs over hate every time.

That is what the United States of America is based on.

And America is sick to the stomach of the NeoConMen and their hate. They are sick of the NeoConMen damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of the NeoConMen raping our planet. The sick of the NeoConMen's Tax Debt. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit.

And they are hungry for CHANGE.
And they are hungry for UNITY.
And they are hungry for HOPE.

HOPE is the Vision.
UNITY is the Strategy.
CHANGE is the Means.

UNITY is what will win.
UNITY is what the NeoConMen fear
UNITY is the Gift that keeps giving
UNITY is a landslide
UNITY is Strategic Momentum
UNITY is 16 years of power
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried
UNITY will beat hate!

See how the Democratic UNITY message is stronger then the NeoConMen's hate message?

If you think I am copy pasting the same replies I am!
Some truths need oft repeating to stop them being drowned in the miss truths and lies.

Kind Regard Ian Walker

[niceypoo]

1. Three promises...

None of them deliverable

What CHANGE will there be under Obama? Obama has failed to articulate any change, he just says the word.

UNITY? Obamas supporters show their support by visciously attacking other democrats in Obamas name, what kind of UNITY is that?

HOPE? This is not a deliverable. Judging by the way his 'supporters' act, I would say they have more HATE than HOPE.

When is Obama gonna start talking about something concrete, like policy?

[Ian_walker]

2. UNITY removes division. Unity solves impasse. Unity heals all wounds!

This is what happens at the end of every Real Democratic Party Supporter gets behind Democratic Party.

I am saying if both candidates make STRATEGIC UNITY SPEECH the internecine warfare will end early and every real Democratic Party Supporter can get behind the ticket.

[Spider Jerusalem]

3. Mote and beam.

Your selective perception is readily apparent; the negative campaigning, the willingness to viciously* attack another Democrat, the willingness to divide the party if necessary...have all been evinced by the Clinton campaign and by Clinton herself. I've seen quite a few Clinton supporters say they wouldn't vote for Obama if he wins the nomination; how is this a sign of Democratic unity, exactly? You should take off your blinders.


*(NB: 'viscous' means 'thick and resistant to easy flow', said of a liquid; as in 'high-viscosity motor oil')

[Ian_walker]

5. UNITY will resolve the petty partisan squabbles.

This is what happens in all Democratic Party Nominations. Afterwards people get together and have group hug.

[niceypoo]

17. selective perception?

I ask, "where's the deliverable" and I get a standard "Hillary the anti-Christ" rant

[Spider Jerusalem]

19. He's been talking about policy...

not your fault if you haven't been listening. There's that selective perception thing, again...did you not watch the debates, for instance? He was very detailed on policy issues, and has been in a good many of his speeches. The idea that he hasn't said substantiative things about policy is just simply NOT TRUE; that you can say such a thing indicates that you are ignorant and have no actual grounds for making any commentary on something you obviously know nothing about.

[Ian_walker]

22. UNITY is a quick draw competition and Clinton is going for the gun

If Clinton makes the TACTICAL UNITY SPEECH she will win the Democratic Nomination;

Obama will be seen to be afraid to make any UNITY speech.
Cowardice does not make for a good Presidential Image.

Below I have rewritten the quick draw competition version of the Chris Weigant speech

I call it the quick draw competition because the Candidate who first makes this speech wins the the unity and undecided voters of the Democratic party and with this middle ground the Democratic nomination for President. They also win the Super Delegates because they are the long term members of the Democratic Party and will vote for the Unity Candidate.

THE TACTICAL UNITY SPEECH

"I would like to address the people in the Democratic Party for a moment.

Our party is now pretty equally divided between myself and Senator (Obama/Clinton). The race is about tied. We are obviously the two strongest candidates this party has to offer to win the White House in 2008. We both have our relative strengths, and much of the electorate is genuinely conflicted over who to select in the voting booth. Some say this is fracturing our party, but I don't believe that is true. The Republican Party is divided because of antipathy among their different factions -- but I'm proud to say that our party is conflicted over who is the best between two very good choices.

So I would like to take this opportunity to offer Senator (Obama/Clinton). the Vice Presidential spot on the Democratic ticket, should I be nominated for President. Should they be nominated, and should they offer the same to me, I am publicly saying I would accept that as well. I think both of us should get behind the idea of a 'dream ticket' right here on this stage. I challenge my opponent to do the same."
Cue Instant pandemonium! Among loud cheers and a few groans from supporters of the candidate that did not make the speech.

It is a quick draw competition and Clinton's Finger is a hair's breadth from the trigger.

(follow this link for the original Chris Weigant version of the speech that was actually written for Obama but maybe he has not got what it takes)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/how-obama-could-wrap-it-u_b_85595.html

[Ian_walker]

21. UNITY is a strategy. All else is mere tactics.

The is nothing to stop Clinton from making The TACTICAL UNITY SPEECH

If Clinton does this speech she will win the Democratic Nomination; especially if Obama is afraid to make any UNITY speech. Cowardice does not make for a good Presidential Image.

Below I have rewritten the quick draw competition version of the Chris Weigant speech

I call it the quick draw competition because the Candidate who first makes this speech wins the the unity and undecided voters of the Democratic party and with this middle ground the Democratic nomination for President. They also win the Super Delegates because they are the long term members of the Democratic Party and will vote for the Unity Candidate.

THE TACTICAL WINNING SPEECH

"I would like to address the people in the Democratic Party for a moment.

Our party is now pretty equally divided between myself and Senator (Obama/Clinton). The race is about tied. We are obviously the two strongest candidates this party has to offer to win the White House in 2008. We both have our relative strengths, and much of the electorate is genuinely conflicted over who to select in the voting booth. Some say this is fracturing our party, but I don't believe that is true. The Republican Party is divided because of antipathy among their different factions -- but I'm proud to say that our party is conflicted over who is the best between two very good choices.

So I would like to take this opportunity to offer Senator (Obama/Clinton). the Vice Presidential spot on the Democratic ticket, should I be nominated for President. Should they be nominated, and should they offer the same to me, I am publicly saying I would accept that as well. I think both of us should get behind the idea of a 'dream ticket' right here on this stage. I challenge my opponent to do the same."
Cue Instant pandemonium! Among loud cheers and a few groans from supporters of the candidate that did not make the speech.

It is a quick draw competition and Clinton's Finger is a hair's breadth from the trigger

(follow this link for the original Chris Weigant version of the speech that was actually written for Obama)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/how-obama-could-wrap-it-u_b_85595.html

[Johnny__Motown]

6. an Edwards supporter does not understand the change that Obama has not taken any Lobbyist money for

this campaign?



Honestly. hasn't he already changed everything because of this? He has raised more money than any candidate in a primary in history, he has done it without that tainted money and you don't think this is an extraordinary change? I do.


Unity, well go look at this and let's compare who can unite us (not Hillary)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZsYWiywdCA&feature=related


Hope, yes we have hope. We hope to elect someone who is not a Washington insider.

Talk about policy? He does it every speech... The MSM likes all the fluff but if you listen to a speech you would know. Or go read this

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf



Have a nice day

[Ian_walker]

10. The UNITY speech does not stifle debate

THE STRATEGIC UNITY SPEECH:

1) Allows both candidates to continue to run for the Presidential Nomination.
2) Does not Force any candidate to run as the VP.
3) Leaves the contest open.
4) Runs the nomination without internecine war.
5) Unites the whole Democratic Party.
6) It says that both candidates will accept the will of the Democratic Party. (which is a given anyway)
7) Makes UNITY the strategy.

[AtomicKitten]

4. HRC has already lost & needs to stop acting like a pathetic tool and accept it.

[Ian_walker]

8. So far the Democratic Party nomination is a Statistical Dead Heat.

People accuse me of cut and pasting, it is true I do!
Every time people post the same errors, mistakes and lies

Same question = Same reply
Rinse and Repeat as necessary

Go to save myself From RSI some how :eyes:

The Facts
In terms of Delegates
Without Florida and Michigan Either candidate need 2,024 out of 4,047
Neither candidate is any where near that.
Obama has 1,387 or 52%
Clinton has 1,229½ or 47%
Edwards (suspended not withdrawn) has 26 or 1%

Do the math
1,387 + 1,229 = 2,616 total Delegate Votes decided (we will ignore the half vote for now)
4,047 - 2,616 = 1,431 Delegate Votes still to be declared.
Now some of that is promised votes from super Delegates but there are still some 600 outstanding Delegate votes and about 300 Super Delegate votes to be decided.

Without Florida and Michigan Either candidate need 2,024 out of 4,047
If Florida's and Michigan's delegates are counted, the requirement is 2,207½ votes out of 4,414 (now we had better see where that half vote went)

Oh and Clinton is ahead in the popular vote by about 32,000 ballots.

1,431 Delegate Votes still to be declared Now you can try to Fox news that in Floria that any way you want.

Me I will let the Democratic Party decide.

I will be happy with either of them as President but what I want is both as President. I want 16 years.

It is a Dead Heat
So much so that Howard Dean has said on ABC television "If we have to sit the two candidates down together or their campaigns down together and try to figure out how to make peace and have a convention that's going to work, then that's fine,"

Howard Dean is the Democratic Party strategist. I will take his opinion on Strategy as being considerably more important than yours.

And DREAM TICKET is a real strategy and not some candidates or their supporters ego.

But
I want UNITY.
I want the NeoConMen to have a living Nightmare
I want 16 years
I want a Democratic party landslide
I want Strategic Momentum
I want a Democratic Party House of Representatives landslide
I want a Democratic Party Senate landslide
I want the NeoConMen buried
I want UNITY
I want the DREAM TICKET

Now that is a strategy.

[AtomicKitten]

11. Look Unity guy, Obama is ahead by every conceivable measure.

Hillary has already lost and her prolonging her concession is now just a freakshow of pathetic delusion that will make her a pariah in the party.

It's over. Get over it.

[Ian_walker]

13. I leave calling a contest before its done to Fox news in Florida

And with over a third of the votes are still to be counted. Not even Fox News dared that.

It is for the Democratic Party to decide the Nomination not you or I

People accuse me of cut and pasting, it is true I do!
Every time people post the same errors, mistakes and lies

Same question = Same reply
Rinse and Repeat as necessary

Go to save myself From RSI some how :eyes:

[AtomicKitten]

14. You can report back to the Mother Ship that nobody's biting on HRC Tactic #2,566

[Ian_walker]

16. UNITY is a positive message and a positive strategy.

You may disagree. But from the tone of your argument and its obvious personal attacks. I think you realise that your argument in the loosing one. Personal attacks are after all the last refuge of those losing the argument.

[AtomicKitten]

18. It's a "strategy" concocted by a losing candidate who can't accept her defeat.

Next.

[Ian_walker]

20. I leave calling a contest before its done to Fox news in Florida

And with over a third of the votes are still to be counted. Not even Fox News dared that.

It is for the Democratic Party to decide the Nomination not you or I

For the record once again I am in favour of Both candidates

Are you saying that Obama is not a UNITY candidate?

Just to drive it home for you these are the facts.
The Facts
In terms of Delegates
Without Florida and Michigan Either candidate need 2,024 out of 4,047
Neither candidate is any where near that.
Obama has 1,387 or 52%
Clinton has 1,229½ or 47%
Edwards (suspended not withdrawn) has 26 or 1%

Do the math
1,387 + 1,229 = 2,616 total Delegate Votes decided (we will ignore the half vote for now)
4,047 - 2,616 = 1,431 Delegate Votes still to be declared.
Now some of that is promised votes from super Delegates but there are still some 600 outstanding Delegate votes and about 300 Super Delegate votes to be decided.

Without Florida and Michigan Either candidate need 2,024 out of 4,047
If Florida's and Michigan's delegates are counted, the requirement is 2,207½ votes out of 4,414 (now we had better see where that half vote went)

Oh and Clinton is ahead in the popular vote by about 32,000 ballots.

1,431 Delegate Votes still to be declared. That is one third of the votes.Now you can try to Fox news that in Florida that any way you want.

Me I will let the Democratic Party decide.

I will be happy with either of them as President but what I want is both as President. I want 16 years.


People accuse me of cut and pasting, it is true I do!
Every time people post the same errors, mistakes and lies

Same question = Same reply
Rinse and Repeat as necessary

Go to save myself From RSI some how :eyes:

[newfie4]

7. yawn

[Ian_walker]

15. Funny every one else thinks 2008 Democratic Primary is the best ever.

You may have a very low boredom threshold.

Perhaps if you really disagree you will explain why?

[JackORoses]

9. You are right on all counts except Hillary won't be on the Ticket

But President Obama will do just fine

[Ian_walker]

12. The Democratic Party is more important than your or either candidates ego

Any candidate who is not for Democratic Party Unity can say goodbye to the Democratic Party Nomination. Unlike you I do not think Obama wants to be seen as another Ralph Nader.

[Ian_walker]

23. With the nomination is a Statistical Dead Heat. Dream Ticket solves the impasse

The STRATEGIC UNITY SPEECH is the best solution to the Democratic Primary.

If Clinton continues with the TACTICAL UNITY SPEECH though she will win and we will get the Dream Ticket by default anyway.

The Facts
In terms of Delegates
Without Florida and Michigan Either candidate need 2,024 out of 4,047
Neither candidate is any where near that.
Obama has 1,387 or 52%
Clinton has 1,229½ or 47%
Edwards (suspended not withdrawn) has 26 or 1%

Do the math
1,387 + 1,229 = 2,616 total Delegate Votes decided (we will ignore the half vote for now)
4,047 - 2,616 = 1,431 Delegate Votes still to be declared.
Now some of that is promised votes from super Delegates but there are still some 600 outstanding Delegate votes and about 300 Super Delegate votes to be decided.

Without Florida and Michigan Either candidate need 2,024 out of 4,047
If Florida's and Michigan's delegates are counted, the requirement is 2,207½ votes out of 4,414 (now we had better see where that half vote went)

Oh and Clinton is ahead in the popular vote by about 32,000 ballots.

1,431 Delegate Votes still to be declared
Now you can try to Fox news that in Floria that any way you want.Me I will let the Democratic Party decide.

I will be happy with either of them as President but what I want is both as President. I want 16 years.

It is a Dead Heat
So much so that Howard Dean has said on ABC television "If we have to sit the two candidates down together or their campaigns down together and try to figure out how to make peace and have a convention that's going to work, then that's fine,"

Howard Dean is the Democratic Party strategist. I will take his opinion on Strategy as being considerably more important than anyone elses.

And DREAM TICKET is a real strategy and not some candidates or their supporters ego.

But
I want UNITY.
I want the NeoConMen to have a living Nightmare
I want 16 years
I want a Democratic party landslide
I want Strategic Momentum
I want a Democratic Party House of Representatives landslide
I want a Democratic Party Senate landslide
I want the NeoConMen buried
I want UNITY
I want the DREAM TICKET

Now that is a strategy.

[grantcart]

24. She is currently sitting on $ 29 million in GE election funds and is accumulating more

primary funds everyday. She could be accumulating a future war chest of $ 50 million dollars. At the same time she is sewing the seeds of a GE loss for Obama.

You show me where she is willing to give up those funds because if she is a GE candidate all of that money will have to be used in the GE.

[Ian_walker]

25. The STRATEGIC UNITY SPEECH solves all the problems...

..but requires both candidates to say the speech.

As it stands Clinton is making the TACTICAL UNITY SPEECH and Obama seems afraid of the Democratic Party's UNITY strategy and so if Clinton wins, and I am increasingly thinking that is what will happen, well with Clinton we will get the Dream Ticket by default.

Obama seems afraid of the Democratic Party's UNITY strategy and that is bad for his prospects of being the Democratic Party Nomination.

[grantcart]

26. except Ian Hillary will not be able to keep her $ 40-50 million for a

future war chest - which I believe with some anecdotal evidence is the real point of this fruitless exercise.

Beyond that we don't have co-presidents. Once we have a nominee the nominee is in charge and anyone who signs on to that team must

yield to that leadership. To do elsewise is to diminish the leader and insure defeat in the fall.

One of the two will at some time do exactly what all of the other candidates have done, concede defeat. It will then be up to the

nominee to pick and choose his/her team. Period.

[Ian_walker]

27. I leave calling a contest before its done to Fox news in Florida

And with over a third of the votes are still to be counted. Not even Fox News dared that.

It is for the Democratic Party to decide the Nomination not you or I

For the record once again I am in favour of Both candidates

Are you saying that Obama is not a UNITY candidate?

Just to drive it home for you these are the facts.
The Facts
In terms of Delegates
Without Florida and Michigan Either candidate need 2,024 out of 4,047
Neither candidate is any where near that.
Obama has 1,387 or 52%
Clinton has 1,229½ or 47%
Edwards (suspended not withdrawn) has 26 or 1%

Do the math
1,387 + 1,229 = 2,616 total Delegate Votes decided (we will ignore the half vote for now)
4,047 - 2,616 = 1,431 Delegate Votes still to be declared.
Now some of that is promised votes from super Delegates but there are still some 600 outstanding Delegate votes and about 300 Super Delegate votes to be decided.

Without Florida and Michigan Either candidate need 2,024 out of 4,047
If Florida's and Michigan's delegates are counted, the requirement is 2,207½ votes out of 4,414 (now we had better see where that half vote went)

Oh and Clinton is ahead in the popular vote by about 32,000 ballots.

1,431 Delegate Votes still to be declared. That is one third of the votes. Now you can try to Fox news in Florida that any way you want.

Me I will let the Democratic Party decide.

I will be happy with either of them as President but what I want is both as President. I want 16 years.


People accuse me of cut and pasting, it is true I do!
Every time people post the same errors, mistakes and lies

Same question = Same reply
Rinse and Repeat as necessary

Go to save myself From RSI some how :eyes: