It's the Dishonesty, Hillary

[Stephanie]

Pretending you never floated the idea of Obama as your VP?

Pretending you never supported NAFTA?

Pretending that Obama might possibly be a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHFREDHB-nQ">Muslim?

Pretending your vote in favor of the IWR was not a vote for war?

You must really think we're stupid.


BTW, where are your TAX RETURNS?

[Medusa]

1. K&R

[hueyshort]

18. somebody's gettin' mighty DESPERATE

[Stephanie]

23. Clearly

It's getting embarrassing.

[grantcart]

69. A clear sign of desperation is when a presidential candidate talks about VP

[Just-plain-Kathy]

110. Aint that the truth! ...Hillary wants to add Obama to her ticket so she could get elected.

[George II]

90. Not Obama!

[amb123]

100. Hillary sure is!

:nopity:

[Blue Fire]

117. Maybe because she's BEHIND in the delegate count?

And she want our next president to run on HER ticket as VP??????


:rofl: :spray: :rofl: :spray: :rofl: :spray: :rofl: :spray: :rofl: :spray: :rofl: :spray:


Here in Minnesota we have a comedian and Air America alum, Al Franken, running to toss a bushbot rethug out of the senate. And when he does, it looks like Billary has a good shot at his stand-up job!

[amb123]

165. Go Al Go!

:toast:

[niceypoo]

109. Actually they both said this during the debates

...this is nothing new, just another non-issue for Obama supporters to go bezerk over.

When does Obama start talking about policy? Thus far all he does is react to whatever Hillary says or does on any particular day, lately way out of context.

[Carolina]

116. another non-issue

yeah right.

Hillary's losing like your IWR voting, bankruptcy bill voting candidate.

Dont' get me wrong, I once liked Edwards (back in 2004 when I had no choice) BUT seems to me that when he had power, he got it all wrong: IWR aye, Patriot Act aye, Bankruptcy Bill aye...

What made it worse, when I went to hear him speak here in SC in late 2006 (Tommorrow begins Today, Tomorrow Begins with You), he was asked about his poor record, and he hemmed, hawed, stumbled ... All indefensible, all apologies.

Well shit, apologies don't bring back the dead or undo all the destruction in Iraq and to our civil liberties here...

No thanks to any of them.

New blood and new party.

[niceypoo]

118. It is all about thin skin...

...and taking everything wildly out of context.

It is about Obama failing to define himself through his policies, which he rarely even discusses.

When your campaign is based on reacting to whatever the other side does, you hyper-react to every slight to make up for lack of substance.

This is the most thin skinned campaign in Democratic history.

[Carolina]

128. Bullshit

Thin skinned? Look at HRC ... she's the one who HAD to resort to the kitchen sink because she couldn't win without being dirty!

Obama's just calling her on the absurdity, indeed audacity, of asking him, the primary leader, to take the second spot to HER.

Like Edwards and his votes, Hillary and her votes & campaign, YOU'RE JUST WRONG.

[D23MIURG23]

144. Here you are:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

Hope its an enjoyable read.

[hamnose]

122. What is K&R?

As well as other unique acronyms used on this site, this is one that I never have seen in any blog or chat room. What does it mean?

[stevenleser]

125. It means Kicked and Recommended. Kicked because any response "kicks" up your thread to

the top of the forum, and recommended, well, because it means the person clicked on the recommend button on the OP.

And welcome to DU!

:hi:

[againes654]

137. Here is the link to the glossary

It can be very helpful, and a little funny.

Welcome to DU. :hi:

[hamnose]

145. Don't see a link

I would like to see that glossary

[hamnose]

146. thanks anyway, found it

this looks right:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x190

[hamnose]

143. Hey, thanks a lot

I feel initiated now.

[Kitty Herder]

2. k&r

[JimGinPA]

3. K&R

[Egnever]

4. Yup

[Stephanie]

24. I love that photo!

[GalleryGod]

37. =Fast Eddie is just F A T Eddie, Now !?

Read it. Knash your teeth. Then go out and wipe her out !!!

[Nia Zuri]

5. kicked

[thevoiceofreason]

6. K&R

[scheming daemons]

7. Best, most succinct thread of the night...

..

[Stephanie]

15. She's making me mad.

The first link above is Jake Tapper's piece titled "Clinton: What's All This Clinton-Obama Ticket Talk?" It's just outrageous.

[scheming daemons]

16. Welcome to the club.... and your picture of my ..gulp... governor and her pisses me off more....

Fast Eddie is holding our young mayor here in Pittsburgh (Ravenstahl..28 years old) over a barrel. The construction on the new arena for the Penguins hasn't started yet... and Fast Eddie is holding a big chunk of the purse strings.

Mayor Ravenstahl, a superdelegate, WANTS to endorse Obama... but he's afraid to do so before Fast Eddie has signed the checks for the arena construction.

It's blackmail.... but at least for now, Ravenstahl is publicly staying "uncommitted" and saying the right things.

I don't think he'll endorse Hillary.... but if he does... you'll all know the reason why.


Hockey arena.

[Stephanie]

22. Tell him there is more honor in voting for what you believe in than in hockey arenas

And tell him that his decision will stay with him throughout his career, for better or worse, just as Obama & Clinton's have on the Iraq question.

[scheming daemons]

58. If Pittsburgh loses the new hockey arena, Ravenstahl loses his job...

...and is dead, as far as PA politics is concerned, forever.

He's only 28.

Rendell will destroy his career if he endorses Obama.


Rendell is PA's "Daley".

[Stephanie]

60. Sounds just like New York

The Clintons have bullied and/or cajoled every elected in the state. They tolerate no dissent. If you step out of line you get a visit.

[backscatter712]

8. It's the dishonesty,

and the cheating, and the dirty tricks and the general nastiness.

You're going in the penalty box, Hillary.

[ristruck]

9. She does not think we are stupid

She scared the crap out of people in Ohio and it worked like a charm. What other conclusion could she draw about the voter's intelligence level when so many were influenced by a TV ad and changed their mind at the last moment.

Therefore; SHE KNOWS!!!

[Stephanie]

11. I'll never forget that voter on 60 Minutes

He said he was leaning Obama but he had a few reservations. Such as, he's heard Obama didn't know the words to the Pledge of Allegiance, and he wouldn't swear his oath of office on the Bible, and he's a Muslim. The interviewer said, that's actually not true. And the guy genuinely didn't know. He'd been duped.

[pokercat999]

104. You forget the Rush Limbaugh impact of crossover

rethugs in Texas and Ohio. He's gloating about it all over his radio show today. I wish I could just choke him a little while, just a little, maybe cut off his air supply for a short time, maybe a half hour or so.

[roseBudd]

123. Cinti Enquirer: "I voted for Hillary before I vote against her," Kuhl said.

[D23MIURG23]

148. He would be a pleasant person to waterboard.

It would be just like a fraternity prank!

[Stephanie]

157. You are bad!

:hi:

[D23MIURG23]

147. She was always favored in Ohio.

She pulled the same shit in Texas and just lost the delegate contest there by way of thier caucus. I can't tell you for sure what the effect of that ad was, but I'd be surprised if it changed many minds.

[Fredda Weinberg]

10. No, I think you're angry and venting. HRC always had more

nuanced stands on issues.

[Stephanie]

12. You turn up now and then like a bad penny.

Nuanced stands!

:rofl:

[grantcart]

71. I hate it when you can't tell if the post is sinere or satire lol

[Stephanie]

158. trust me

it's sincere

[jgraz]

28. Totally. For example, Hillary's stands on honesty and ethics are extremely nuanced

Not to mention her incredibly nuanced stand on voting to slaughter a million Iraqis. Very subtle.

[Rene]

65. and who else has never voted NO to continue funding the war - bho

his voting record matches clintons. what a hypocrite to say in 2002 he opposed...and not another action against it since.

[Submariner]

82. As Obama stated (paraphrased) , "When the bus is already in the ditch,

the Iraq calamity then has to be funded to keep the troops alive." BIG difference.

[Stephanie]

161. that is exactly the right answer

thanks

[Hepburn]

36. Nuanced stands....???

WTF??? :rofl:

[D23MIURG23]

149. The thesaurus can be a bad thing

If you go to it looking for ideas...

:evilgrin:

[grantcart]

70. lol

[me b zola]

142. The race-baiting that comes out of her camp isn't so nuanced

Before the */cheney regime has made it fashionable again to flaunt bigotry she would have been rode out of town on a rail for her race-baiting antics/tactics/smears. Now anything goes.

[powergirl]

13. I don't want to waste precious time in the general election

defending the Clintons all over again for all the crap the Repubs will bring up. I want to move on and I look forward to President Obama.

[Stephanie]

14. Don't worry.

I think she's gone over the edge at this point. Who can support her, if they've been paying the least bit of attention?

[powergirl]

42. I know you are right, and I keep reminding myself that Obama will win

but after watching this campaign, I never know what Sen. Clinton will pull. I am a Texan, voted in the caucus, was the chair of my caucus, etc. My precinct went for Obama 60/40. I got along fine with the Clinton folks and they even voted for me to be the caucus chair. But many of the Clinton Supporters (about 40 of them) seemed so offended or indignant that all of these people had the temerity to vote for Obama. One Clinton supporter told me that Clinton will perform better in the Whitehouse because she "slept with the president." She also gave me crap b/c I am a woman (age 43) and I was betraying women, etc. by my support of Obama.

I didn't want to stir up any crap about that comment, since my caucus was calm. All I did say was:

I want a Democratic president more than a female Democratic nominee. Obama has a better chance of winning the GE because Clinton is polarizing and pisses people off - right or wrong. I was not going to sacrifice a shot at the Whitehouse and roll the dice on Cinton. She was speechless and had no retort. One of her friends suggested that Obama could be her VP - (which as we know is SOOOO patronizing) because "we" need Obama voter support to win. I told her that Obama should be on top of the ticket because of that reason. (Duh!) And Clinton needs to not blow the Dems chance of winning. Then, this is the best part, 4 of the ladies in the Clinton posse changed their votes to Obama.




Anyway, Obama needs to take it.

[Submariner]

85. Hillary sleeps in the same bed as Bill?!? I seriously doubt that.

If that was even close to true, I would not have an ounce of respect for her. You can't have a serial philanderer in the same bed without further staining the presidency, and what women with an ounce of dignity would lay with a pig like Bill?

[cameozalaznick]

108. I had a discussion with an older Clinton supporter...

About the Texas primary. We talked for a while and the whole time, I really worked to refrain from saying anything nasty about Hillary and just kept laying out the case for Obama. Later that night, she told me she had thought about our conversation all day and that she decided I was right about Obama. I guess we're going to have to bring them over one at a time!

[Stephanie]

159. One at a time is the Obama strategy!

This is a bottom up strategy and the energy is coming from the grassroots. This is the campaign of our dreams! Each one, teach one!

[BigDDem]

59. Millions of voters in Texas and Ohio

that's who!

[howmad1]

88. You gotta be kidding.

And how many of those "millions of voters in Texas and Ohio" were rethuglican crossovers? Just think, Rush Limburger is one of Hillary's' staunchest supporters. What a great rethuglican she would make with all that support.

[niceypoo]

17. Blame the victims?

My oh my...

[Medusa]

41. Let's leave the past in the past

that's where it belongs.

[papau]

19. Trust of Obama is hard after Obama lies about Nafta meeting, and advisers saying

social programs and out of Iraq dates are not really expected.

BTW - Obama has never released his tax returns - only a copy of the front page that he signed with a typed sheet that he claims is a summary of all the worksheets and schedules.

[Stephanie]

21. I am so sick of these LIES. Here is Obama's RETURN >

Click the link to the PDF, damnit.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2007/04/baracj_obamas_2.html

[BumRushDaShow]

44. Wow.

Those facts just keep bringing about those cricket moments from hillbots! :rofl:

[John Q. Citizen]

95. Those are his tax returns, papau. Why do you think you can lie and not be called on it?

Why no response?

Why do you keep making Clinton look bad?

[Zachstar]

20. K&R

[Lord Helmet]

25. dishonesty? she's soaking in it

[Stephanie]

26. Thanks, Madge.

[Lord Helmet]

27. Madge knows.

[Stephanie]

29. It's the Dishonesty, and the Lying.

and the Not Telling the Truth and the Distortions. I'd tell you to go home but I honestly don't know where you live.

[earthlover]

98. I see this all the time on DU. Hillary says something. People complain. Hillary supporters deny

she said it. It reminds me of the Bush people trying to claim the IWR was not a declaration of war in the lead-up to the vote....oh, the Hillary folks have said THAT TOO!

[NMMatt]

30. You can add to that list

Lying about never agreeing that FL and MI don't count.
Lying about your foreign policy experience in Northern Ireland.
Lying about your foreign policy experience in Bosnia.

[Stephanie]

31. Sinbad/Hillary '08

[AtomicKitten]

32. I think she really believes people are buying her bullshit.

[Stephanie]

33. Some people did buy it - like that voter on 60 Minutes.

But I think those days are over. Voters are media savvy and she has crossed the line too many times, they can't help but see it.

[dailykoff]

34. Probably a ringer.

I didn't see it, but I've heard NPR interview Hillary "supporters" at her events who are later (like in later stories) identified as campaign workers. More than once.

[Stephanie]

38. No, I think he genuinely beileved it - >

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/29/60minutes/main3894659_page3.shtml

In Chillicothe, people told 60 Minutes that both race and gender would both be hidden factors in southern Ohio - that many blue collar workers here won’t vote for a woman and others would never vote for a black. And Sen. Obama has another problem: a malicious campaign against him that surfaced in a number of our interviews.

Schoenholtz told Kroft he is leaning towards Obama, but that there were a couple of issues he was “not too clear” on.

Asked what they were, Schoenholtz said, “Well, I'm hearin' he doesn't even know the National Anthem, you know. He wouldn't use the Holy Bible. He's got his own beliefs, got the Muslim beliefs. Couple issues that bothers me at heart.”

“You know that's not true,” Kroft remarked.

“No. I’m just…this is what I've been told,” he replied.

“One of the things that we found in southern Ohio - not widespread, but something that popped up on our radar screen all the time - people talking about it, this idea that you're a Muslim,” Kroft told Sen. Obama.

“Right. Did you correct them, Steve?” Obama asked.

“I did correct them,” Kroft replied.

“There you go,” Obama said.

Asked where this is coming from, Obama told Kroft, “You know, this has been a systematic e-mail smear campaign that's been goin' on since actually very early in this campaign. It clearly is a deliberate effort by some group or somebody to generate this rumor. I have never been a Muslim, am not a Muslim. These e-mails are obviously not just offensive to me, somebody who's a devout Christian who's been goin' to the same church for the last 20 years, but it's also offensive to Muslims. Because it plays into, obviously, a certain fear-mongering there”

[cooolandrew]

35. Yes, let's build up the drum beat for tax returns. It's a bigsecret.

[Scurrilous]

39. K & R

:thumbsup:

[City Lights]

40. K&R

:yourock: Stephanie.

Nice photo!

[Stephanie]

43. Photo is from yesterday in Scranton

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton shares a laugh with Pennsylvania Governor Edward G. Rendell during a campaign event at Scranton High School in Scranton, Pennsylvania, March 10, 2008.
(Tim Shaffer/Reuters)

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//080311/photos_ts/2008_03_10t213547_362x450_us_usa_politics/

[City Lights]

51. And it's worth thousands of words!

:hi:

[BumRushDaShow]

45. K&R

:kick:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

46. "You must really think we're stupid. "

Well, not sure if she does, but I most certainly do.

[elixir]

47. Another desperate grab at the headlines to fearmonger. These issues have been

addressed but you keep working up the crowd. The race will play out through PA, probably to the convention. Neither candidate has enough delegates to win this thing.

There will be a concession or a joint ticket. Do you mean you wouldn't support a joint ticket instead of McCain?

[Stephanie]

50. There wil be no joint ticket.

Dream on.

[elixir]

53. It's been put on the table. We'll see.

[Stephanie]

55. Maybe you haven't noticed but -

Obama is not stupid. There will be no joint ticket.

[Politicalboi]

138. And once again

Nancy Pelosi has taken it off. Besides Obama doesn't need Hillary and neither do we. And Keith is talking right now that Ca gave some more delegates to Obama Yippie! And he now won the ole Miss. Ha Ha! Ha! Ha!

[Stephanie]

160. Welcome to DU!

Yes We Can!

[Carolina]

120. There will be no joint ticket

When you get down in the mud with pigs, you get dirty. And afterall, doesn't HRC support McCain?!

Obama got where he is without the Clintons and he doesn't need them or the STENCH of being affiliated with them. If they pull off stealing the nomination, then let them go down in flames by themselves in the GE. Obama will still have his integrity as well as a career in Illinois and beyond.

[K Gardner]

48. If it weren't so pathetic, it'd be almost funny. And she thinks she is "presidential" material?

[greguganus]

49. How stupid this country has become to even consider her for president. n/t

[ProSense]

52. None of this counts! n/t

[antigop]

54. you forgot one. Pretending to support the middle class

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhLBSLLIhUs
Hillary pushes for more h1-b visas and outsourcing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLNOSGM2jK4
Lou Dobbs: Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgdrh2Bc95M
Lou Dobbs: Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 2)

[Stephanie]

56. There are so many that I forgot - please add them all.

Pretending she is the frontrunner who can offer Obama second place is another.

[NYDem Observer]

57. K&R

[Stephanie]

61. Welcome to DU!

Hello, neighbor! :hi:

[Strawman]

62. Sinbad for VP!

He's vetted since he went on that photo-op mission to Kosovo with Hillary and Sheryl Crow that was too dangerous for the POTUS.

[Stephanie]

63. Sheryl Crow for VP!

She'd actually be awesome. She could be czar of climate crisis.

[Strawman]

64. Yeah, but

with Sheryl Crow Hillary couldn't lie and say she was Obama when she thought it might suit her purposes like she could with Sinbad. Then again, Howard Wolfson and her might have enough Rovian audacity and disrespect for the intelligence of the voters to give it a try.

[AZBlue]

66. k/r

[Rene]

67. I've had my picture taken with Bill and Hillary and Chelsea at different times/years/events

They don't know who I am....or have to know.
They were all being very sweet and spending a few seconds talking to a stranger and letting their pic be taken if requested.

I think it's all very nice of them....they're so good with individual people....have all the time and attention for you that you'd like, before they move on to greet others. MANY people had them pause for pictures.

[Stephanie]

77. What is your point?

It doesn't seem to have anything to do with this thread.

[Lautremont]

94. Clearly, his point is that

squirrels go down a tree very slowly, and while we may never see clowns in space, rest assured that giant squids have been videotaped in the wild. Add to that the fact that the earth has seven distinct continents, and you can see that World War II ended in 1945.

I hope I've helped.

[Stephanie]

162. you my toe upstairs

mucho gusto

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

68. Hillary is the epitome of disingenuousness.

[hedgehog]

72. 1 picture is worth a 1000 words

[Stephanie]

76. yep

the shark has been jumped

[Vinca]

73. OP hit the nail on the head. She thinks we're stupid. nt

[BenDavid]

74. Gee, you are reacting like you did when Bill said that Jesse

won South Carolina too.....Now what I got from that is, what have the obama folks and the black folks have now against Jesse Jackson? Seems like all of you were saying, "do not compare Jesse to obama" Again, what is wrong with Jesse Jackson?

[Stephanie]

79. Are you talking to ME? What WAS my reaction, pray tell? got a link?

And do you generally use the term "folks"?

I think you are playing dumb but I will explain it to you anyway. Clinton implied that Obama only won SC because he's black. Got it?

[jaybeat]

93. Obama gets 90% of the black vote because he's... purple?

Seriously, no one DARES state the obvious as to why African-Americans are supporting Obama to such an extent, but if anyone even "suggests" that women might want to *consider* Hillary based on her gender, or take stock of the misogynistic slurs that are regularly hurled her way, then, well, they must be saying your sexist if you don't vote for Hillary!

Clearly, a lot of people seem to think (as do I) that racism is very, very bad.

But sexism, well, not so much...

:puke:

I sure wish we could let pot and kettle go 10 rounds and nominate Al Gore. (But of course, God Forbid, that would offend the "movement." Can't have that. 'Course, wait and see how much a President McLame offends them. Then again, maybe not so much, since so many seem like they'd rather have a third term of Bush--or Darth, according to one poster on this thread--than any alternative to the substance-free vessel of all of their hopes and dreams.)

Hell, and I'm still undecided!

(Edited for typo.)

[grantcart]

75. My caption for this priceless photo

"and then keeping a straight face I added 'as far as I know'".

Great thread

[BigAnth]

78. Perfect Caption!!!

I love it.

[uponit7771]

84. LOL!!!!

[JimGinPA]

86. LOL

[ooglymoogly]

80. kicked over the moon and a rec to boot. nt

[K-Check]

81. Good Practice for the GE

McCain's going to try most of these, too. Or how about how he voted against Bush's tax cuts (twice!) before deciding, while running for President, that he would make them permanent? After this campaign with Hillary, Obama will be primed and ready for the general election.

[uponit7771]

83. I recommended but don't know if I kick! lol...anyway, yup...her council isn't serving her well

...well

[bagrman]

87. This is the type of crap we don't need inour govn. any longer, look and learn.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x103609

[tripitaka]

89. can't stand her. just can't

Back pre Iowa when the naked ethnicity/race/religion/whatever baiting started up, I felt strongly I could never vote for tis woman.

Now?

I would proactively vote for whoever is on the other side. I would vote for Dick Cheney in 2008 if Hill is the Dem nom. The reason is, the GOP is the soul-numbing problem that prevents any and all progress atm. Until those dangerous thugs are neutered, I can forgive idiots like Rockefeller and Feinstein.

But Hillary as head of the party, after all this shite, would be turning the Dems into the GOP circa 1994. I just can't have that. I can't sit here and be outraged by the GOP's thuggery and then vote for an even worse thug, and worse yet, from the side that we count on to put an end to this nightmare of booger fling politics.

If Hill is the nom after all this shite, I think we're all just declaring open season. Say whatever, do whatever. By 2016, we might have candidates running ads accusing each other of cannibalism and incest. I'm petty sure Hillary would have run those ads already if she thought they'd help.

[jaybeat]

92. "I would vote for Dick Cheney in 2008 if Hill is the Dem nom"

How "progressive" of you. NOT.

How "Democratic" of you. NOT.

How "mature" of you. NOT.

How IGNORED you ARE.

Bye.

[tripitaka]

113. "not progressive" to be angry about race-baiting? huh

I get the sense that many Dems in 2008 would be fine with hiring Karl Rove, as long as he can deliver for the DP as he did for the GOP.

[Stephanie]

124. Welcome to DU!

I don't believe I'd go so far as voting for Dick Cheney, but I hear you.

[Carolina]

134. I understand how you feel

though I wouldn't go so far as to vote for the Dick. However, with HRC at the top (heaven forbid), I just won't vote for the top of the ticket.

Hillary. No way. Not ever.

[Stephanie]

163. on second thought, i'm having second thoughts

sorry i didn't read more carefully the first time around

[George II]

91. Short and sweet - good research!

[Pappy]

96. She can't show her finances because you know, your gonna see Walmart all over it

She is so owned by the corporate war machine its silly and its all on the books, and thats why the books will stay sealed.

[MidwestPerspective]

97. Hillary's Boomer-style politics loses to Obama's Generation Jones style

This is a well-written post. Hillary's old school polarizing Boomer-style campaigning is dishonest and increasingly aliented. Relevantly, there is a growing consensus in the media, and among experts, that Obama is not a Boomer, nor an Xer, but instead is a member of Generation Jones (born 1954-1965, the heretofore lost generation between the Boomers and Xers).

Just in the last month or so, several top media outlets, including The New York Times, Newsweek Magazine, and NBC, have all made the argument that Obama is specifically part of Generation Jones. I also heard a panel of generations experts recently on a national radio show discussing this specific issue, and four of the five experts concluded that Obama is, in fact, a GenerationJoneser…that his bio and political worldview closely match the GenJones archetype (the one dissenting expert argues that Obama is a Boomer).

[Stephanie]

126. Thank you! I have always felt left out - not a baby boomer and not Gen X

Now I know! Generation Jones! I've tried to explain this many times over the years. Too young for the peace movement, too young to be a hippy, we got the drugs and the hedonism but not the radicalism. We were disco, we were punk, we were New Age. I'm so relieved someone finally defined it.

Welcome to DU!

[VotesForWomen]

99. it's the lying, and the cultist delusions, obamites. nt

[Arugula Latte]

101. K&R

:kick:

[think4yourself]

102. Kicked

[BzaDem]

103. Stop being dishonest.

Hillary NEVER said she didn't float the idea. Saying "it has taken a life of its own" does not mean she never floated it.

And as for the Muslim comment, she specifically said she hates those attacks, especially because many of them have been made at her.

And she specifically said at the time of the vote that it was NOT a vote for pre-emptive war. Not just when she was running for president, ***at the time of the vote.***

[texshelters]

106. Some truth in the remarks here; however,

if she says she didn't know the the vote for was for "authorization" of force, meaning war, she's either lying, or she's incredible stupid. I wouldn't call her stupid.

Tex

[David Zephyr]

105. An enthusiastic afternoon K&R.

Well done, Stephanie.

Every picture tells a story.

[BringBigDogBack]

107. One more K/R

You nailed it.

[LSK]

111. K&R

[Deep13]

112. "You must really think we're stupid."

Well it sure seems that way to me.

First of all, I still can't believe you all are still dwelling on this chicken shit stuff. Repeating lies over and over really is a strategy worthy of Rove. The arguments for every false allegation you have repeated here have been refuted over and over and over. And anyway, this election is what we are going to do about job loss and the war, not what happened in 2003 when the R.'s were blackmailing us and lying about just wanting the threat of force for diplomatic purposes or about what HC may have thought when she was not the president. Having the opporunity to work for a president does not mean she is responsible for his decisions. To be completely candid, I have really grown to dislike Obama and frankly to hate folks like you. I doubt I'm alone.

O. cannot win against McCain because much of O's base, esp. the white, male yuppies, are also McC's base. It will never happen. HC would have an uphill fight too, but at least she won't look like an idiot on national defense.

So remember all this crap a year from now when McC is replacing Justice Stevens.

[golddigger]

114. Ok, now you did it. You screwed with their circle jerk.

:popcorn:

[NMMatt]

119. Obama will still win easily

Unless Clinton manages to completely destroy the Democratic Party by taking her Quixotic quest for the nomination all the way to the convention. If so, you have no one to blame but Hillary herself.

[tachyon]

130. Of Obama gets the nomination, McCain will win 48 or 49 states.

Bookmark this thread.
(That's not what I want, it's just the probable outcome)

[bjnumb9]

121. White male Southerner here

who will be casting his vote for Obama in November. Obama will win against McCain. Clinton would have a chance against McCain but the result is uncertain at best. Republicans who will stay at home if Obama is the nominee will come out in droves if Hillary is the nominee.

I will stop here because all you need to do is look at the latest polling results about Obama vs. McCain and Clinton vs. McCain matchups. Obama favored against McCain by 5.2%, Clinton favored by 1.7%.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

But facts never got in the way of Clinton or her supporters.

[Carolina]

135. Hey bj, welcome to DU!

Love your screen name and the sentiments expressed in your post.

Must admit that Hillary is truly a unifier; she will unite GOP voters in a way McCain can only dream of.

I'm a transplant to the south who staunchly defended the Clintons throughout the 90s -- silly, fooled me. Back in 1993, I couldn't believe the level of hatred directed at her. And it has not dissipated with time. In fact, it has resurfaced like a sleeping MONSTER! LOL!

:hi:

[bjnumb9]

151. Thanks!

I've been visiting the site and the forums since before the 2004 election and finally decided to get in the mix. Yes, it is reality that Clinton as the Dem candidate would make all living Republicans, and maybe some dead ones, get up and out the door to the polling stations to vote for McCain. I would say about 75% of my Republican friends (hey, I was born, raised, and live in the South, I can't exclude Republicans altogether) do not have any great dislike for Obama. In fact, my boss, who is extremely politically challenged to put it nicely, has said that he thinks Obama would help our image in the eyes of the rest of the world and that he's inspirational. My boss!

Thanks again for the welcome! Oh, BTW, I was born in South Carolina (your user name suggests you live in one of the Carolinas).

:toast:

[boppers]

153. Hillary knows squat about national defense, which is what made her endorsement ...

...of McCain that much stupider.

Obama's been on the related Senate Committees for Foreign Relations; Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs; and Veterans' Affairs, as compared to Hillary, who served on the single Committee on Armed Services.

Yet again, a tactic straight out of Rove's playbook, taking your own greatest weakness and pretending it belongs to your opposition.

I think Hillary may have fought against Rove for too long, and thinks that the rest of the nation considers these tactics acceptable.

[Carolina]

115. K&R!

[ray of light]

127. AND trying to steal super delegates and now caucus delegates!!!

[tachyon]

129. Sorry, but that's just -way- beyond ridiculous.

...

[uponit7771]

131. The clusterbomb part or her Lieberman-Kyle vote? Now that Fallon is out and Bushies will replace him

...with someone who just follows orders and kills people what are we to do?

[Name removed]

132. Deleted message

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[uponit7771]

133. Why did Cliton support cluster bombs? Thx

[Carolina]

136. Such bullshit

"only tactic he has is to adopt Rove's strategies and beat up on good Dems"

Like a typical Shillbot, you are projecting the actions and behavior of your loser candidate onto Obama. HRC's the one who hasn't been able to win without taking the low road. However, her kitchen sink is exploding on her, bringing with it all that sewage -- HER natural milieu!

[Politicalboi]

140. Here! Here!

What is in the Kool-Aid these Hillbots are drinking. Maybe Geraldine and Hillary can go on stage and cry together.

[dramatica]

139. Obama was dishonest on NAFTA-gate

And there is no proof that Hillary was involved.

The Canadian PM said Hillary Clinton did not speak with Canadian officials at any point.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702671.html?sub=AR

[boppers]

155. The Canadian PM is a right wing hack. You trust him?

Of *course* neither Hillary, or Obama, did not personally speak with the Canadian officials.

That was never even the freaking accusation.

The PM's Lackey, Brodie, took the equivalent of water cooler chatter, and used said chatter to try and smear the left wing of the US. They didn't care who got smeared, but Hillary was more than happy to pick up and use the right wing smear... on her own party.

Hillary sure as heck got involved in the smear, she even ran TV ads. Denying her involvement is, well, either Hill-arious, or IHBT.

[MojoMojoMojo]

141. Obama is a LIAR and you dont mind supporting him.Disgusting

[orleans]

150. prove it. link? n/t

[verges]

152. Hillary betrayed

the Democrats and you don't mind supporting her. Disgusting

[arthritisR_US]

154. BTW, who funded her husband's presidential library? n/t

[Stephanie]

156. Good question!

She does not want you to know the answer.

[arthritisR_US]

164. Well, when they finally get around to vetting Senator Clinton I'm afraid

it may be too late and you'll be inaugurating another wing nut asshole. JMO as a Canadian female observer.

[Stephanie]

166. Another one: here's Sinbad calling her a liar.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5020891&mesg_id=5020891