Thorne had to resign today -Obama Advisor GLBT leadership council: Another Yalie Embarrasses Obam

[rodeodance]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/03/maxim-thorne-another-yalie-embarrasses-barack-obama.php

Thorne had to resign today from Obamateam (GLBT leadership council: Another Yalie Embarrasses Obama

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Another Barack Obama adviser had to resign today after making incendiary statements about Hillary Clinton. Maxim Thorne, formerly a chief at the Human Rights Campaign and, until today, a member of Obama's Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual/ Transgender Leadership Council, recently e-mailed a lengthy anti-Clinton screed that began by declaring Clinton "a disaster for the Democratic Party" and went on to question Hillary's whereabouts "when Monica was having sex with Bill" and assert that "when Bin Laden was building Al Qaeda, Bill and she were fighting impeachment, fighting Paula Jones, fighting Katherine Wiley." Thorne resigned almost immediately after the e-mail surfaced.

Thorne has an undergraduate and law degree from Yale, making him the third Yalie in recent weeks to embarrass Obama with an apparent inability to grasp a fundamental rule of campaign warfare (namely, don't speak freely). Also Yale grads: Austan Goolsbee, who allegedly told a foreign government that Obama was just kidding about his opposition to NAFTA, and Samantha Power, who told reporters that Clinton was a "monster" and that Obama might keep troops in Iraq longer than he's saying on the campaign trail.

By Nick Curran 03/11/08 5:05 PM

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http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Obama_backer_Clinton_lies_and_stolen_election.html

Original email:

From: Maxim Thorne
Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 8:46 pm
Subject: Clinton lies and sleaze

{snip}

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Shocking.

[democrattotheend]

2. This is the difference between the Clinton and Obama camps

When an Obama staffer or surrogate steps over the line, the Obama camp gets rid of them. But in Clinton's camp, comments like Ferraro's draw a mild rebuke from the candidate and she remains on the finance committee.

[rodeodance]

3. give it up--totally different.

[thevoiceofreason]

39. Exactly the same.

[rodeodance]

68. No--Thorne was sending out Rovian style emails smearing Bill Clinton

[indimuse]

69. NOT the same...

STOP distorting!

[rodeodance]

4. Thorne was an advisor----same position as SAM.

[jackson_dem]

10. Why do Obamites keep saying blatantly false things?

When did Jesse Jackson Jr., Charles Barron, and so many others resign? Was Michelle Obama's role curtailed after playing the race card in November of 2007? Bill's was when he was falsely accused of doing it.

The Obama campaign's reliance on smoke and mirrors is very revealing. They know Obama can't win on substance.

[Drachasor]

36. Get your facts straight...

Jesse Jackson isn't part of Obama's campaign, he decided to be a neutral party long ago. I'm not that familiar with Barron though (or if he has endorsed Obama or not).

The Obama campaign has been pretty good at stopping the two (or so) people that have said something out of line. Michelle Obama wasn't saying something out of line, but she was misunderstood. She explained what she meant by "first time I am really proud of my country" though, and I am satisfied with that.

Compare that to Hillary's campaign accusing Obama of imitating Ken Starr, saying McCain is more qualified to be President, and other statements. These people or statements were not rebuked by Hillary Clinton, and if anything she has supported them. I believe it is safe to say Obama's campaign takes wrong-headed statements more seriously and does more about such people. That's classy, imho.

[JoFerret]

40. Smoke and mirrors

...indeed.

[ContinentalOp]

44. "Was Michelle Obama's role curtailed"?

LOL! Her role as his wife? What do you want him to do, divorce her?

[roguevalley]

11. don't forget Ferraro's threat. If you're the candidate you will need

people like me to raise money for you. Right. She's beyond help.

[rodeodance]

15. NO threat---She is strong women who does not like to be bullied!!

[JoFerret]

20. Correct.

And a potential asset to ANY democratic nominee.

[roguevalley]

60. she's an idiot throwing threats. This woman, more than any other,

should understand what it means to be a token. She was a token woman in 84. She wasn't chosen to bring in a region or a demographic. She was a token experiment. She's also crude and stupid. She needs to apologize. This isn't strength. This is crudity as blatant as any man telling someone they better watch it or else.

[rodeodance]

63. I disagree

[susankh4]

71. Geraldine tells it like it is!

If Bitch is the new black.... she is the new pearls!

:woohoo:

[rodeodance]

22. the Difference?---This is the 2nd ADVISOR--using ROVE's playbook--!!

[OzarkDem]

54. and latest use of Rove's playbook was on Ferraro

Wonder which Rovian genius in the Obama campaign concocted the swiftboat attack on Ferraro? Hopefully they'll be next.

Can you imagine the outrage if someone from Clinton's campaign was promoting GOP style attacks on Obama?

[stillcool]

34. well....for their part in sending out...

the e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."
"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," and continuing on.. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level"..three Clinton Campaign workers asked to resign. Of course, that pales in comparison to using the word "monster", or mentioning Monica.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

[rodeodance]

43. give it up--that was a LOW level VOLENTEER!!--Thorne was an Advisor--like POWERS

[stillcool]

48. Sorry. I'm not giving anything up..

this kind of stuff may not bother you, but it has stunned me. These are not allegations. These are facts, from every level of the Clinton Campaign. Not from the bottom up, but from the top down.

[rodeodance]

49. So far 2 advisors sitting next to him had to resign. YOu just have made up stuff.

[stillcool]

52. I am so tired of this...

and every time someone brings it up, it refreshes it all in my mind. The Clinton Campaign as the Obama Campaign are responsible for those working in their campaign. I did not make any of this up. I read the words as they appeared on the page.

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail
A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."
"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States. Obama is a Christian.

The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.
Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged
comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."
Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.

Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html

January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
----------
Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[rodeodance]

55. OP is about obama advisor. I you want to talk of someone start another thread.

[Why Syzygy]

64. That's because we've got a clean fighter and a dirty fighter. Guess. n/t

[Johnny__Motown]

5. It is a shame that people need to resign for telling the truth

"when Bin Laden was building Al Qaeda, Bill and she were fighting impeachment, fighting Paula Jones, fighting Katherine Wiley."


how can anyone argue with that?

[bigtree]

12. There is NO evidence that hindered the Clinton administration from dealing with it

maybe you have that evidence.


Myth: Clinton Did Nothing To Fight Terrorism

PBS Frontline

Several days after the millennium celebrations, President Clinton's national security adviser, Sandy Berger, announced that in the weeks before the New Year, law enforcement had disrupted terrorist cells "in eight countries and attacks were almost certainly prevented." He didn't give details, but FRONTLINE has compiled the following list from intelligence sources and press reports… Click here for more: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/trail/inside/attacks.html

Clinton Administration Counter Terrorism Initiative
http://www.cdt.org/policy/terrorism/adm-anti-terror-otl.html


Washington Post
The Covert Hunt for bin Laden
Broad Effort Launched After '98 Attacks
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A62725-2001Dec18¬Found=true

By Barton Gellman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, December 19, 2001; Page A01

Beginning on Aug. 7, 1998, the day that al Qaeda destroyed the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, Clinton directed a campaign of increasing scope and lethality against bin Laden's network that carried through his final days in office.

• In addition to a secret "finding" to authorize covert action, which has been reported before, Clinton signed three highly classified Memoranda of Notification expanding the available tools. In succession, the president authorized killing instead of capturing bin Laden, then added several of al Qaeda's senior lieutenants, and finally approved the shooting down of private civilian aircraft on which they flew.

• The Clinton administration ordered the Navy to maintain two Los Angeles-class attack submarines on permanent station in the nearest available waters, enabling the U.S. military to place Tomahawk cruise missiles on any target in Afghanistan within about six hours of receiving the order.

• Three times after Aug. 20, 1998, when Clinton ordered the only missile strike of his presidency against bin Laden's organization, the CIA came close enough to pinpointing bin Laden that Clinton authorized final preparations to launch. In each case, doubts about the intelligence aborted the mission.

• The CIA's directorate of operations recruited, trained, paid or equipped surrogate forces in Pakistan, Uzbekistan and among tribal militias inside Afghanistan, with the common purpose of capturing or killing bin Laden. The Pakistani channel, disclosed previously in The Washington Post, and its Uzbek counterpart, which has not been reported before, never bore fruit. Inside Afghanistan, tribal allies twice reported to their CIA handlers that they fought skirmishes with bin Laden's forces, but they inflicted no verified damage.

• Operatives of the CIA's Special Activities Division made at least one clandestine entry into Afghanistan in 1999. They prepared a desert airstrip to extract bin Laden, if captured, or to evacuate U.S. tribal allies, if cornered. The Special Collection Service, a joint project of the CIA and the National Security Agency, also slipped into Afghanistan to place listening devices within range of al Qaeda's tactical radios.

The lines Clinton opted not to cross continued to define U.S. policy in his successor's first eight months. Clinton stopped short of using more decisive military instruments, including U.S. ground forces, and declined to expand the reach of the war to the Taliban regime that hosted bin Laden and his fighters after 1996.

Not until the catastrophe of Sept. 11 -- when terrorists used hijacked airliners to destroy the World Trade Center and damage the Pentagon -- did President Bush obliterate those boundaries…

http://makethemaccountable.com/myth/ClintonAndTerrorism.htm

[jackson_dem]

13. Another page ripped from the rethug playbook by "Obama Democrats"

:puke:

[rodeodance]

16. This is the 2nd close ADVISOR of Obama's who went on a Hate-rant--I really have

to wonder about the rest of his advisors

[golddigger]

72. Kind of like his supporters here on DU, two peas in a pod!

[rodeodance]

19. He should have used his time "advising"- instead of sending out slimmy E-mails

[cui bono]

37. That is silly, really. That implies that it was B.Clinton that allowed Al Qaeda

to flourish when we all know it was BushCo that did that. Al Qaeda was not a household name until Bush declared him public enemy #1 and then took actions that bolstered his standing in the Middle East.

[Lilith Velkor]

58. Yeah, it's Bill's fault the Republicans were more interested in his penis than national security

That's some ironclad fucking logic, all right. :rofl:

[ecstatic]

6. When will HRC denounce and reject Ferraro, Callejo, Rendell, that RW representative,

the list goes on and on

[rodeodance]

7. you forget that Throme---sat next to BO as an ADVISOR!!

[jackson_dem]

14. Rendell said racism exists. Do you disagree? Did Obama make racism dissappear?

It is very ironic that someone with the moniker "Truth Hurts A Lot" is attacking Rendell for telling it like it is on racism--and sexism. After all, Rendell knows firsthand about bigotry. He had to close a campaign office once because his people there kept receiving violent threats from neo-Nazis because Rendell is Jewish. He is supposed to pretend bigtory doesn't exist? The truth does hurt a lot...

[UALRBSofL]

8. Thanks for posting rodeo

Great read

K/R

[rodeodance]

9. i am looking for the email

[bigtree]

17. e-mail

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Obama_backer_Clinton_lies_and_stolen_election.html

Original email:

From: Maxim Thorne
Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 8:46 pm
Subject: Clinton lies and sleaze

[rodeodance]

18. thanks--I edited to add the link

[okasha]

51. He's a Yale-educated advisor to a presidential candidate

and he doesn't know that a member of the Democratic party is a Democrat, not a "democratic?"

What a freepfest he is.

[JoFerret]

21. Does he post on DU?

He certainly would fit right in.

[rodeodance]

24. I am serious--2 days ago an Obamafan--asked what was bill doing

at 3 am --i thought it odd--(telephone crap)---i told it that it was none of their business what bill and hill did a 3am

well, lo and behold--that was in this email--yes it was. !!

[OzarkDem]

53. Sure seems like he has

The proliferation of freeperlike posts on Bill's sex life has been disgusting.

[emilyg]

23. TY

[rodeodance]

25. hey

[rodeodance]

26. K

[ExtraGriz]

27. this attack is plain mean and degrading

bill screwed up with monica and that is now used to attack hillary, thats wrong.

[rodeodance]

28. Thorne-was NOT working as an advisor--instead he was sending out emails

of slime.!!

[JoFerret]

57. what an idiot

blinded by hate

[zabet]

29. Looks like

Obama has too much transparency
when his advisers are this transparent
in their hate of Hillary Clinton.

[rodeodance]

30. That email was one Hate Rant!

[maddiejoan]

31. So basically

Axelrod is throwing dirt over a Democratic Party icon (Ferraro) over a weeks old comment, so he can not only race-bait his way to winning in Mississippi --but to divert attention from this Thorne Kerfuffle.

Bunch of disgusting scumbags.

[rodeodance]

35. this Thorne stuff should be all over the news--!! but it is not

[OzarkDem]

61. Very Rovian, throwing Ferraro under the Obama bus

to hide this embarrassing mess in Obama's campaign.

[JerseygirlCT]

32. Geez. Folks: don't put anything in writing - yes even in an e-mail -

that you don't want other people to see.

(shaking head)

Still haven't heard that Geraldine Ferraro is resigning from the Clinton campaign, though...

[maddiejoan]

33. There isn't a position for her to resign from

[JerseygirlCT]

46. She's raising money for herself then? nt

[maddiejoan]

47. Don't be silly

She's done some fundraising of course -- so what?

That's not the same as being a campaign spokeswoman.

What should they fire her from --having already done some fundraising?

Should they ask her to stop raising funds?

Hillary has said she doesn't agree with Ferraro's comments.

What should she "fire' her from? Being "Geraldine Ferraro"?
Even Hillary isn't THAT powerful.

[rodeodance]

41. You need to get educated--go find out what "positon" she hold!! NOT

[judaspriestess]

38. awwww another one choked on the hate errrr hope filled kool-aid

[Major Hogwash]

42. Cool, good for him. He made his point and I agree with him 100%.

That might surprise some of you.

[rodeodance]

45. who is 'HE"

[Bake]

73. Nice post, Farrakhan

Let's see, who was the only Dem elected to the Presidency TWICE in our lifetimes?

Oh, yeah. Bill Clinton.

Bake

[slinkerwink]

50. I'm glad he resigned. Ferraro should too.

[rodeodance]

56. yes it was right that he resigned.

[BlackVelvet04]

59. That email was a nasty piece of work. n/t

[Laelth]

62. At least Obama fires people who say inappropriate things.

Hillary embraces them and makes excuses for them. I admire Senator Obama's desire to run a clean campaign. By comparison, I loathe Senator Clinton's campaign and its tactics.

-Laelth

[rodeodance]

65. Yes, it was right for Thorne to resign.

[quantass]

66. Unlike Obama, Hillary rewards her staff that write dirty. Difference in campaigns.

[rodeodance]

67. Thorne="making him the third Yalie in recent weeks to embarrass Obama"

[susankh4]

70. That's what comes of inexperience.....

the team is imploding. The leader is dividing the party.