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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:22 PM
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Real buyer's remorse
One of the canard's that have been put out by the Clinton campaign recently was that if Obama did not win all of the March 4th campaigns by significant margins then that would mean that the voters were begining to have buyers remorse.

Of course it was simply another version of the 'move the goal posts' and 'change the field' narrative that shows Obama winning
by substantial margin delegates, primaries, votes, endorsements, and money. But it was a valiant attempt and it brought all of us a reasonable laugh.

But what about real buyer's remorse - well for that we would have to go to a place that actually had bought something and actually voted. So a return trip to Iowa the state that had the longest and closest look at the candidates shows us something very useful.







Three conclusions;

1) After they had a chance to digest the swill of the campaign Iowans had a definite reconsideration about Senator Clinton.

2) After they had a chance to vote for Obama and the campaign moved on, more people wished they had, and Obama's winning the Iowa caucuses does have an impact on the GE. Iowa now, quite remarkably, is no longer a given for the Republicans in the fall and can, with an Obama candidacy, go blue.

3) The Clintonian strategy of building up Senator McCain seems to be having a definite impact. After she started extolling his resume, Sen. McCain's numbers go up and Sen. Obama's go down. Of course Sen. Clinton's continue to go down even further.





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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:23 PM
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1. interesting nt
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:24 PM
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2. Iowa will be red in any event.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:28 PM
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4. So Obama's 10 point lead over Clinton is fiction?
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:30 PM
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5. Dukakis won Iowa. Iowa is winnable.
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9119495 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:32 PM
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7. See my post below...
With all due respect...Iowa is not going to go to Republicans

In '04, Bush won by a few votes and in '06 BOTH houses of the leg. went to the Dems. Also, the state elected a Dem. Governor in a landslide AND all elected executive branch positions were filled by Dems except one that had little experience for the post she sought. We also will have popular Dem. Senator Tom Harkin on the ballot to bring out the troops...even for Hillary Clinton.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:48 PM
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9. I don't agree with that- Iowa's a swing state

Maybe not as much as MN or WI, but it's not dark red.
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Citizen Kang Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:52 PM
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10. Wrong, Iowa is more blue than red
its a swing state. A lot like Missouri and Ohio in that regard. Dukakis won, Bill C won twice, Gore won, Kerry barely lost by a few thousand votes.

Iowa just doesn't like Hillary. I don't blame them.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:53 PM
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11. I n any event you missed the main point of the post
There seems to be real buyers remorse with voters after the primary.

Oh and everyone disagrees with your other assertion downthread
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:24 PM
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3. Clinton's goal is to get the red line in the bottom graph
well above the blue one in time for the general election. If she can do that in enough states, McCain will beat Obama in the general election and Hillary will run against McCain in 2012.
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9119495 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:31 PM
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6. With all due respect...Iowa is not going to go to Republicans
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 03:32 PM by 9119495
In '04, Bush won by a few votes and in '06 BOTH houses of the leg. went to the Dems. Also, the state elected a Dem. Governor in a landslide AND all elected executive branch positions were filled by Dems except one that had little experience for the post she sought. We also will have popular Dem. Senator Tom Harkin on the ballot to bring out the troops...even for Hillary Clinton.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:35 PM
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8. Of course you have absolutely no polling data to support that
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 03:36 PM by grantcart
because the polling data shows Obama leading McCain but Clinton trailing McCain. If Clinton is the candidate it would appear very difficult to win.

Put that aside however you have missed completely the central point of the OP and that is after the election was over Clinton's support plummeted
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9119495 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:55 PM
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12. Nope.
Got it all...I'm just very proud of how my state woke up to the bush administration and gave us the whole cookie jar. I think McCain could take Iowa from Clinton but I'd give him no better than a 50-50 shot. The state is somewhat anti-war, even on the republican side so I think he could suffer if the focus goes back on Iraq. Obama will win Iowa in a WALK...possibly 60-40. The OP is right about all BUT the Iowa as a red state thing.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:57 PM
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13. got it should have phrased it better to indicate it is more of a swing state
thank you
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:01 PM
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14. kick
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 07:31 PM
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15. great job - recommending this OP
thanks! excellent point
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