All of this wouldn't be an issue if we had an atheist nominee.

[progressoid]

:evilgrin: :popcorn:

[papau]

1. We - do - perhaps - - Obama's upbringing is atheist

Obama says he was raise in a Christian household

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/22/531492.aspx
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2007/12/23/2007-12-23_im_no_muslim_says_barack_obama.html


but then
Obama says "I was not raised in a religious household... My mother's own experiences... only reinforced this inherited skepticism."
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1546298,00.html

but then
Obama's mother is recalled as calling herself an atheist
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-0703270151mar27,0,14968,full.story

[reflection]

2. You're right.

It would be a whole new smorgasbord of other issues.

[Cant trust em]

3. Perfectly said. NT

[IndianaJones]

4. law is by definition a codification of morality, much of it grounded in the Judeo-Christian...

tradition.

[reflection]

10. Yep. That's it in a nutshell.

Were an athiest nominee to rise the point of being seriously considered for the nod, much of the debate would, like it or not, be centered around "but where is his/her moral compass? How does he/she decide what is moral?" TV talking heads love to talk about morals.

[SoonerPride]

13. Interesting to see how lawless they are in Japan.

cwazy

[IndianaJones]

17. candidates would do well to just come out and say what I posted. nt.

[Drachasor]

19. Why?

What you said isn't true. The law is grounded in morality common to most ethical systems.

[demokatgurrl]

24. They DO!!!! That's the problem!!!! nt

[Drachasor]

16. The law is compatible with any decent morality, really (it has the same problems either way).

Nothing about it is particularly Judeo-Christian (and if anything was, it would be unconstitutional).

If you disagree with this, then prove your assertion.

[IndianaJones]

25. the messiah said so.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5073387&mesg_id=5073387

[Drachasor]

29. Oh, you're talking about what politicians say. Hillary would say much the same thing, I'm sure.

I think Obama has a point, though. As a practical matter, people have to use the moral tools they possess when talking about morality. Given how our laws are compatible with most actual moralities, that sentiment makes plenty of sense.

[Hissyspit]

34. What?

Law DOES NOT equal morality. Law does NOT equal right. Law is NOT, by definition, codification of morality. It can be those things, but is not automatically.

And much of what is found right in Judeo-Christian tradiation is found in other religions and doctrines, too.

Yours is a profoundly naive and uneducated statement. I hope you were being facetious.

[immoderate]

35. Nonsense!

--IMM

[Recursion]

36. We come from the "barbaric" tradition of limited government...

...deriving its authority from the consent of the governed.

The Judeo-Christian model of government is the exact opposite: government is ordained by God.

[RaleighNCDUer]

38. But most of it grounded in Roman and northern european paganism.

That is why Europe is so different from the middle-east.

[sfam]

5. We're far more likely to have a african american Jewish woman president before...

we have an athiest one. NOT in our lifetimes, sadly enough. We probably will have a Muslim president first.

As long as we can at least keep the insane creationist rants out of our science classrooms, I'll be happey.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

7. sad but true

[lapfog_1]

20. Oh NOOOOO!

No atheist President in MY LIFETIME!!! How can anyone be so cruel! Really, it's OUR TURN! We deserve to have an atheist President because, well, BECAUSE! In my lifetime! This is the last chance! Why didn't we nominate an atheist!

(I could go on, but I think you get the point of my :sarcasm: about supporters of a certain candidate)

[Mooney]

21. Yep.

I'm an atheist, but I know that we'll never have an atheist president in my lifetime. People just find it too offensive across the board, which has always seemed a little weird to me. But that's how it is.

[progressoid]

23. Or a Gay African American Female Muslim president.

Americans reeeeealy distrust the non-believer.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

6. LOL

[easy_b94]

8. I support Obama 110% but you have a point

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

9. Have we ever? Just curious.

[Drachasor]

12. Not publically at least. It's political suicide.

[progressoid]

14. Nope.

Not openly anyway.

[KaptBunnyPants]

39. Abe Lincoln was a Uniterian.

Is that close enough?

[eppur_se_muova]

41. Unitarian = Atheist without courage

:hide:

[Drachasor]

11. Studies indicate people would be more willing to vote for a Muslim than an Atheist

Not that anything is wrong with Muslims, but that's the sad state of affairs.

[progressoid]

27. Better to worship the wrong God than no God.

:eyes:

[bunnies]

15. Americans hate godless people like me.

It'll never happen. :(

[Drachasor]

18. Well, I think it could happen someday. Not anytime soon, however.

[demokatgurrl]

22. An atheist has about a snowball's chance in hell

of ever becoming a nominee for ANYTHING in this Christian country.

[sudopod]

26. YOU GRAVEL PEOPLE NEED TO KNOCK IT OFF

Why don't you leave Hillary and Barack alone, you meanies! XD

[progressoid]

28. Gravel??

I'm voting for Ron Paul!




Shit, I better add this just in case :sarcasm:

[stray cat]

30. Just substitute another minion for the word pastor and it will be more of the same

I'm sure you've heard supporters for all candidates being disavowed by the candidates for insane comments.

[Vinca]

31. As an atheist, I wish we would have an atheist nominee.

What has religion done for the world other than start wars and perpetuate hatred?

[reflection]

33. A lot. n/t

[Froward69]

32. might i remind everyone about

the "NO religious test" portion of the Constitution???

[Unsane]

37. From your lips to Darwin's ears.

[krkaufman]

40. ha! I just posted elsewhere that that would be the next line of attack.

Obama's a muslim.

Obama's a black militant.

Obama's an atheist. (with atheists being the *least* trusted demo, even below muslims)

[progressoid]

43. Oh, I'm sure Hannity or some other idiot has or will say it. n/t

[shadowknows69]

42. Amen to that

Wait, can I say Amen in an atheist thread?

[progressoid]

44. Testify Brother Shadowknows