"The White Elephant in the Room"

[AX10]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_commentary/commentary_by_susan_estrich/the_white_elephant_in_the_room

[babylonsister]

1. I don't need to look at your link. Obama would be where he is because

he has a different message than anyone I've ever heard. It's one of possibilities. That works for me.

[AX10]

2. You saw the link alright.

[babylonsister]

7. Actually, no, because I considered the source. nt

[spag68]

3. are you sure what you are seeing

is in reality a pink elephant? Or a multicolored bird in an orange haze?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

4. interesting.........

Calling someone a racist, accusing someone of racism, those are ways to end the conversation, not begin it. Simply denouncing someone that way doesn't tell us anything about why they're wrong, if they're wrong.

Somebody should have asked Geraldine Ferraro what she meant, and why, instead of denouncing her for saying it. Maybe she's right. Maybe she's wrong. But it's important to discuss it, and not outdo ourselves condemning her.

This is a unique and unprecedented campaign. A black man is running against a woman for the nomination of one of the two major parties. It's down to the two of them. Whoever wins is making history. Voters will confront a choice they have never before faced. It's a big deal. It does matter. Saying that is neither racist nor sexist. Letting people actually discuss what they mean, what it means to them, and why and how both race and gender do matter might actually help us move forward to the point where both matter less.

[tabasco]

5. Hillary's tax returns? n/t

[VolcanoJen]

6. Susan Estrich?????

:rofl:

[babylonsister]

8. No way! I refused to click on the trash that was being flung! nt

[VolcanoJen]

10. Way!!!! n/t

[babylonsister]

13. Okay. YOU read post #11!

My eyes are failing... :scared:

[VolcanoJen]

15. Ummm....

I drink your milkshake?

[ProSense]

9. LOL! n/t

[spag68]

11. now that i've read the post

I've got to say that this business of analyzing everything that is said until it is torn to pieces, is ridiculous. My best example is that if you have true friends who are black or vice a versa, if they are good friends, they might say things to each other that would sound racist or at least troublesome, however they might not be, as I was always referred to as the blackest man in the group. many reasons for that, but actually legitimate, I don't remember any feelings getting hurt. Nowadays that kind of discourse is frowned upon, but my closest friend have been doing if t for so long we can't help ourself. We called it ranking. We did it in the military and brought it home. we all remember whose mother was so ugly ,she could stop a clock, or had to wear combat boots.I'm Italian, so I got to say brute a lot. MY point is that people should understand that to the members of the Carylye group we, everyone of us are black of N, or whatever word or designation they have for us, peon seem so 16th century.How about troublesome white darkys. When you are in the military with someone ,color of skin is less important then how fast the mFer can guard your back. and then of course you are 18 and those black girls are very tempting and when you shake hands it feels the same. Look I'll admit my job was easier because I was white, but I was a pretty good electrician and so was able to bring along some of my friends, and lo and behold they became pretty good at the job also.The 60s were fun like that,there was hope and a belief that if we worked hard, we could fix it all. Naive I know, but we tried. Now i"m almost out of the gamebut the new voters give me hope. My personal philosophy is far to the left, a study of American labor history will do that to you if it doesn't turn you into a outright marxist I guess my point is that we can, if given a chance get along,white black ,brown, yellow. and any other type. and oObama is trying to do that. I wish him luck and will keep an open mind. I am anHRC man, however I would be mighty proud to support him in the general. if we have to go to the mats, I'll be there. The 69s taught me one thing, there may be pain,but what is right is right, has to be the way to go. charged and hoping all these youngsters come out in the fall and to the right thing. They have mostly got this show rolling and now we hope that whenNOV> is upon us we will come out and vote in the important race. DO THE RIGHT THING.

[Swamp Rat]

14. James Joyce, is that you?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

16. !

astreamofconsciousnesspostalwaystendstorunon... :evilgrin:

[VolcanoJen]

17. I think I'm feelin' ya... but...

what is that "right thing" you're talking about...?

[milkyway]

12. I thought you were referring to Mark Penn!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

18. Calling someone a racist, accusing someone of racism, those are ways to end the conversation, ......