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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:12 PM Original message |
Obama no longer outperforms Clinton against McCain. He once did 9 points better, lost 5 pts in March |
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muntrv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
1. The republickers want Hillary as the nominee. That way she will turn out |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Unbelievable. Just ignore the facts and repeat the Obama machine's propaganda |
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Obamaniac (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. You make that deduction based on ONE FUCKING POLL! |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. You obviously didn't read the OP. Why? Fear of truth? |
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Upton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. That's right, Republicans that haven't voted in years |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Another Obama supporter who ignores the data and instead buys Obama's propaganda |
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Upton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. Trajectorys? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. The trajectory for her negatives are static. For Obama they are rapidly rising |
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Upton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. She's in danger of losing to McCain here in Wa. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #36 |
59. The state level is an electoral vote difference of four. They both win right now |
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Frank Booth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 02:25 AM Response to Reply #25 |
83. Yes!!!!!! Now, thanks to this over the top campaign we have two candidates with high negatives!! |
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Frank Booth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 02:25 AM Response to Reply #25 |
84. Yes!!!!!! Now, thanks to this over the top campaign we have two candidates with high negatives!! |
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muntrv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
92. Yep. Obams is in free fall. Never mind that 3 months ago, Hillary was expected |
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bilgewaterbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. It ain't propaganda. People who are disillusioned and non-voters |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Where is the data to support that Obama machine myth? |
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bilgewaterbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. The only "machine" in this election belongs to HRC. And the wheels....? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Has the Obama machine produced any proof of its claim? |
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bilgewaterbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Umm.... JD? Back away from the JD! What Obama "machine"?? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 08:02 AM Response to Reply #9 |
91. *NEITHER ONE* is particularly "electible". The electible Democrats were all ejected earlier. |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
68. Yawn. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
3. I can see McCain winning the presidency because of the internecine conflict within the Dems. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
4. Hillary's campaign now consists largely of raising Obama's negatives |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. That is typical. Blame Clinton for what naturally happens to a "new" candidate |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. It's not blame, it's just the reality of where the race is right now |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
20. What's your alternate explanation for the trend change? And why would it coincide |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
30. The msm has given him some scrutiny for the first time during that period |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. "Clinton has been attacking him for months. That didn't change" HUH??? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:02 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. She has consistently attacked him since at least November |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:42 PM Response to Reply #49 |
67. No; what changed in March was Hillary began glorifying McCain at Obama's expense |
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kerry-is-my-prez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:21 AM Response to Reply #30 |
75. Just wait til the Repubs were to go after him for being "The most liberal senator" |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
27. ALSO, WHY ARE LEVELS FOR MCCAIN MISSING FROM YOUR DATA? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. McCain is included. The first set of numbers is their lead/defifict to McCain |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:15 PM Response to Reply #33 |
57. McCain is NOT included. Are his levels going up or down? Can't tell from what you've posted. |
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Brundle_Fly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:17 AM Response to Reply #5 |
73. Hillary's biggest mistake at the beginning was |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. I am not sure what do you expect of GE? |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
8. This is because hate radio and cable "news" are campaigning for Clinton |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. That doesn't make any sense. This is about their general election performance |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. What? Bis Media's incessant attacks on Obama don't affect his "Will vote for" numbers? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Another Obama supporter who didn't read the OP |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. I think Rush Limbaugh constantly reminding listeners to vote for Hillary is playing dirty. |
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wileedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Polls mean shit in March |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Trajectory over 12 months matters. Guess where Obama will be in Sept. if he is the nominee? |
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wileedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. HIllary was up 30 points in every category 3 months ago |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. No. She started out doing over 9 points worse than Obama in GE strength |
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wileedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. So her campaign of "Inevitability" was based on her 9 points down? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Obama supporters keep confusing primaries with a general election |
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InAbLuEsTaTe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:26 PM Response to Reply #35 |
65. Can I have a hit of what you're smoking? |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Don't tell that to the Hilbots. They don't think hate radio's campaign has |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
21. Winning in November: Obama Still Stronger Against McCain |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. He outperforms Clinton in her own state |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. Playing the electoral college game is a separate issue. This is about the trajectory |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Yeah, if you say so, jack |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. I didn't say anything. The trajectory speaks for itself |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Nice rebuttal. Obama does better than Hillary in CT too. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. See post 37. You can cherry pick states all day long |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
28. interesting article |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #28 |
47. Those are commonly held views but the data don't suport them |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
32. Now what likely caused that shift? Something Obama did? Or what someone else did |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
53. Political realities. Aren't you a big Kerry fan? |
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kerry-is-my-prez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #53 |
78. What Hillary did to Obama was about 1/20th of what the Repubs would do. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #53 |
79. HRC did not realize that she was losing until SuperTuesday |
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Frumious B (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
34. Considering that McCain has nothing going but to plan his campaign and pick up endorsements... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
54. The OP is more about Obama declining than McCain |
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Freida5 (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
41. The attacks from the right republicans are just beginning to tick up his negatives. |
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Upton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Yeah, attacks that are echoed by many Clinton supporters |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:21 PM Response to Reply #41 |
60. One polling firms has he negatives tripling from last February to this February |
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Freida5 (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #41 |
66. It is better we find out that Obama is unelectable in the primary than in the general election |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
44. Surprise surprise ... The kitchen sink is in effect. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:15 PM Response to Reply #44 |
56. Did Obama supporters actually think Obama would get coronated? |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:01 AM Response to Reply #56 |
70. No, but they did believe he would walk on water. |
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TheDonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
46. Not scrutiny but smearing. Congrats Hillary. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:16 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. You think the msm didn't know about Rezko, Obama's other "friends", and Wright until now? |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
55. Polls smolls. Who cares about them until the election is upon us? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. When a candidate is making an argument on words we need to see if the facts support his words |
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InAbLuEsTaTe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
61. There's only one thing that matters. Here's a hint: DELEGATES! |
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Johnny__Motown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
63. Yes, frontrunners get hit hard. 2 Clintons + McCain and Bush all attacking him |
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Carrieyazel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
64. Both of them are essentially unelectable. That's the reality now and it can't be fixed. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Boggles the mind. |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:03 AM Response to Reply #64 |
71. It was the reality months ago and ignored in the fervor to nominate |
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kerry-is-my-prez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:19 AM Response to Reply #64 |
74. I was praying for anyone but those two because of this...... |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:23 AM Response to Reply #64 |
77. Actually, it could be fixed, if |
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kerry-is-my-prez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
72. He was getting 80% positive coverage - you knew the numbers would have to drop. |
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quiet.american (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
76. Well, guess Hillary's work is done. nt |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 01:55 AM Response to Original message |
80. Thank you Hillary! You are a disaster for the Dem Party. |
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aquarius dawning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 02:13 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Obama is the Democratic primary equivalent of Katrina. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 02:20 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Oh, I'm sure Hillary's McCain endorsement hasn't made a lick of difference. |
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aquarius dawning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 03:07 AM Response to Reply #82 |
87. It would have gone largely unnoticed if ya'll hadn't turned it into the crime of the century. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 06:12 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Hillary blasts her messages to the media constantly. |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 02:32 AM Response to Original message |
85. There is nothing written on the wall yet this is way too early to call it that way. |
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superkia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 02:47 AM Response to Original message |
86. I would think that it would have something to do with a well known... |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 06:20 AM Response to Original message |
89. Tch tch tch! Even with the press helping him along, he has steadily lost ground. |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
90. Not worried. It'll rebound |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
93. Considering it's been an Obama bashathon 24/7 on MSM, |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
94. Interesting Post |
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