Obamba in attendance as Wright refers to "white arrogance" and the "U.S. of White America"

[candice]

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/8/8/194812.shtml

Obama does a "Gary Hart" and tells the media to prove he ever heard anything objectionable while attending his church. Well, Jim Davis went to this church on July 22, 2007 and reported back. I feel sorry for the white Secret Service men who have to listen to this hate mongering.



Excerpt from Obama's Church: Cauldron of Division
Jim Davis
Thursday, Aug. 9, 2007


Presidential candidate Barack Obama preaches on the campaign trail that America needs a new consensus based on faith and bipartisanship, yet he continues to attend a controversial Chicago church whose pastor routinely refers to "white arrogance" and "the United States of White America."

In fact, Obama was in attendance at the church when these statements were made on July 22.

On one video, on Christmas Day, Wright tells that congregation that there is one man in the audience who will change things (or something like that). It's obviously Obama.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

1. Newsmax?

:rofl: :puke:

[The Doctor.]

76. Newsmax has always been a reliable source of news and information

for brainwashed rightwing nutjobs everywhere.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

87. Yawn, its sad that all of the Kos strikers came over here

its getting boring here. Sheesh. All these Christian Soldiers.

[JoFerret]

129. They should be driven out, cleansed

So dreadful to have to hear another point of view

[marshall]

194. Bitch is the New Black; and Newsmax is the New DU

Sad but true.

[JoFerret]

152. Newsmax is a horrible source. However...

If Newsmax reports that it is raining what is the weather doing?

Point it - they ofter have factual stories. And especially those that suit their agenda. A bit like Faux.

[roguevalley]

215. so, he says so. does the film SHOW HIM THERE? Good grief.

what a joke. Unless you have film showing, its rot.

[tabatha]

2. newsmax?

[candice]

108. Never heard of Newsmax before, but at least a reporter who is interested in investigating has a name

...if the author is fabricating this, then he should be exposed. If not, then it shows that Obama might not have missed the one or two Sundays when the preaching got a little carried away for mainstream American (and also decided to make these "atypical" sermons available on video (for sale).

[queenbdem87]

3. SO THE FUCK WHAT!

He was in attendance....i guess that means he believes everything that was said there. You people will stop at nothing to find meaningless bullshit to pelt Obama with. Clearly he doesn't feel that way about white people and you know it....Hillary Clinton knows it too...but just like the Muslim thing there is "plausible deniability." THIS IS THE REASON WHY I WILL NEVER SUPPORT THAT EVIL WOMAN AND THE LACKEYS THAT SUPPORT HER.

[jackson_dem]

17. For one that means he lied with a straight face to the nation and his supporters

That goes to his claims of being a "different kind of politician" who is a straight shooter, just as NAFTAgate and Power/Iraq withdrawal did. Second, it means he is unelectable as a general election candidate.

Ironic. Clinton was swiftboated as racist. Where was Obama? Fuck him. He is getting what he deserves. What goes around comes around.

[Alexander]

23. It means you Shillbot whiners are throwing tantrums as she loses more delegates each day.

Maybe if you want her to win so bad, you can tell her not to shit all over Iowans 5 seconds after they reject her candidacy.

[jackson_dem]

30. This goes far beyond the primaries. It may not even significantly hurt him in the primaries

This isn't about Clinton vs. Obana. It is about defeating the rethugs in November.

[rodeodance]

91. well you BO bullies---how do like those cookies!

[elixir]

216. You're always a class act. Why don't you stay on topic, if you can.

Our candidate is in unchartered territory. instead of ignoring the situation we should try to help him get his feet back on the ground instead of putting out this fire.


Until November HRC and BO are our candidates.

[stevenleser]

33. Welcome to my ignore list...

... these Wright threads are always so good for outing the haters who belong on my ignore list.

[Voice for Peace]

65. Yes! I've just discovered how great the Ignore function is.

[JoFerret]

Make sure you cleans the list thoroughly

You won't want to hear any opposing opinions. Might upset you.

[The Doctor.]

75. Right. That would mean that he considers that 'inflammatory' rather than true.

Keep going with this, I'm sure we'll find out that Obama is really Blackula out to hunt whities in the dead of the night.

[democrattotheend]

118. No it doesn't

He said he was not in attendance when the particular statements that the media was playing over and over yesterday. He did not say he had never heard Wright say anything radical. This is just silly.

[JoFerret]

130. He has been a very divisive figure

And playing with this race stuff is getting once too often and too far.

The Ferraro flap was about nothing. They fanned it into a bonfire and she was led to the stake to burn in hell.

And now this.

[Window]

163. OMG!!!111!! THIS IS HUGH!!!!1111!1 ARE YOU SERIES!!!111!!!1

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Window]

161. LMAO! You Hilly supporters are funny as hell.

:rofl:

[mckeown1128]

184. He didn't lie... Obama said he never heard the

"anti-american" statements... this statement is minor and many people agree with it.

[Jamastiene]

197. Exactly.

I can hear the right wing ads during the General Election now: "What will we tell the children?"

[Melinda]

4. Nnnnewsmaxxxx? Nnnnoooooooooo!!!!

:rofl:

[jackson_dem]

22. Let's be real. Legit news orgs will investigate this at some point

Either he was there or he wasn't. That church has 9k members and tapes sermons. It won't be hard to find witnesses or video footage of Obama's face in the big crowd for a split second if he was there at some of these sermons. Given the fact he attended the church for two decades, it would take a miracle for him to happen to have missed every sermon in which Wright made such statements.

[lordsummerisle]

5. Uh-huh

and the problem with those statements is...?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

6. White people are arrogant and this is the United States of White America.

This faux outrage from newsmax proves it.

[Not the Only One]

18. Yep. It's like Harry Truman.

I don't give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them and they think it's Hell.

Come on, now.

[jackson_dem]

27. The "unity" and "getting beyond race" veneer didn't last long did it?

Is Obama's slogan going to be: "Whites are evil. Obama 2008!" Do you folks realize how idiotic it is to bash three out of four voters?

[Hoof Hearted]

84. I can't believe anyone is stoopid enought to believe "the US of KKK-A" is going to play well in the

voting public at large. It's positively SHAMEFUL for a candidate talking about "unity" to be a party to this crazy bullshit and support it with his money and his name.

[Iceburg]

171. No they don't. They have been bashing 52% of the population with glee

what's another 23%?

[ThomCat]

63. Yup.

This is just another attempt to stir up latent racism among white people, while displacing the blame onto the target. Nothing new here. x(

[JoFerret]

132. White people are arrogant - some of them. Black people

are arrogant - some of them. Here is one person who things the Obamas appear arrogant and entitled.

[Tom Joad]

7. anyone who has not seen White arrogance in this country has his/her

head up their ass.

[aquarius dawning]

117. Yeah, and whose ever seen an arrogant black person? Only white people can be bad in America,

we all know that.

[Skidmore]

126. Sweet Jesu on a bicycle. Which century do you live in?

Do you ever come out of the basement? I swear to God that I've not heard such a full frontal Bubba argument in quite a while in a public arena, except for Fox, of course. And I don't even watch that.

[DerekJ]

8. What's wrong with some of the DUers?

Is there some kind of a virus that causes temporary insanity circling DU lately?

Since when do you Quote Newsmax as a source?

[BlackVelvet04]

52. Since you guys started quoting Drudge. n/t

[Nitrogenica]

9. This has been your FOX news update.

[Name removed]

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[TwilightGardener]

11. I already dug this up today. If you consider "white arrogance"

and "United States of White America" all that objectionable in a black church that does discuss racial and other social issues, oh well. It's nowhere near "God damn America" or some of the other nutso stuff in the video--must be disappointing to Newsmax, who was obviously following Obama and planning to "ambush" him in his church last year. This RW smear job has been in the works for a long, long time.

[hfojvt]

71. depends on the context

In some contexts I would consider those objectionable, in others they wouldn't be. I mean the context of the statement. They don't become less objectionable just because they are said in a "black" church discussing racial issues.

[TwilightGardener]

86. I don't consider it objectionable at all--I've said before, I have always

assumed black churches are safe, appropriate places for black people to vent about racial unfairness and other social issues. It's really none of my white business, and I don't care if Obama hears about "white arrogance" from his pastor--I don't worry that he secretly hates white people (like his own family, for example)--he doesn't say stuff like that, treat white people like that, write stuff like that, or legislate stuff like that. The proof is in the man. I'm just noting that Obama apparently wasn't there for the REAL goods, the totally crazy shit, on that particular day--that's got to take some air out of the RW/Hillbot balloon, who was hoping for wild stuff on that Newsmax church visit. Obama certainly knows his pastor says controversial things, but the hate-whitey angry-at-America stuff doesn't seem to have influenced his political career at all. That's why I doubt this will resonate, except for the people who weren't going to support him anyway.

[Omega3]

221. "This RW smear job has been in the works for a long, long time." EXACTELY! that's what we've been

telling you guys but you won't listen. He's not saint, hasn't been vetted, comes from a dirty Chicago political backround and the GOP are licking their chops waiting for the Anointed One to be put on the platform for debate. This is what you get.

and this is not just a RW smear job: these comments are radical, they will not play to the heartland of America, you know, places like Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Iowa, North Dakota, Wyoming, Idaho, Utah, Montana, the very places the 50 state strategy is gonna fail. Come the GE, if it gets that far, they will all be red. And yes, he is closely tied to Rev. Wrong, no matter what you think.

[Johnny__Motown]

12. Is Wright the new Rezko.? Just keep talking about it and hope something sticks?

[Hoof Hearted]

85. It's already stuck. Rezko is just the icing on the cake now.

[JAbuchan08]

205. You're actually enjoying this aren't you

it's "icing on the cake" because this defammatory tearing down of other democrats tastes sweet to you doesn't it?

[MojoMojoMojo]

13. We are fighting the RW remember?This is just a meek beginning

You better read newsmax and watch Fox if you want to see how your candidate will lose the GE

[billbuckhead]

24. Hillary's opponent is now officially the "black" candidate, there can be no denying

Wright talking so evil about Natalie Holloway makes me think he has a problem with white women. Hence, the nastiness toward Hillary.

[jackson_dem]

34. That is certainly what his race card playing supporters are trying to turn him into

Remember that Jesse Jackson was the front-runner at this time in 1988 but he lost after his white support tanked...

[BlackVelvet04]

56. and his comments about Hillary were uncalled for....

the Clintons did a lot for the Black community and his comments were outrageous. The sure turned on Bill Clinton quickly.

[redstate_democrat]

72. I'll be sure

to thank massa Clinton next time he comes through the neighborhood for all he did for us black folks in America. I don't know where I would be if it weren't for massa Clinton. How dare Reverend Wright say a bad word about what massa Clinton did in the White House and about that three strikes law that put so many black men in my family in jail without any sort of proportionality. How dare Reverend Wright talk about what massa Clinton did when he signed that PRWORA that basically punished poor children, How dare Reverend Wright talk about massa Clinton because he caved on NAFTA which has seen many people lose their jobs due to corporate greed. How dare Reverend Wright say massa Clinton had sex with Monica Lewinsky and that this lack of decency might have been a character trait of his which could cause him to be so dismissive of poor communities. How dare Reverend Wright call into question massa Clinton ignoring the massive genocide in Rwanda as millions were being hacked to death but continued to bomb the hell out of Iraq. Bet nobody say nothing bad about massa Clinton!

[AZBlue]

78. Damn, I wish I could K&R a post within a thread!

[Danger Mouse]

155. this is the truth about the so-called 'first black president'

he only cared about black people when it was politically convenient for him.

[Window]

165. LOL! Good one.

:thumbsup:

[Leopolds Ghost]

120. Ungrateful black folks turned on Clinton -- they must be racist

[againes654]

25. LMAO

Ok if YOU say so.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[billbuckhead]

32. Whites got to pretend he was something else until this and that illusion is now gone

[MethuenProgressive]

14. Obama attended for 20 years while wearing earplugs?

When will the DUbamas snap out of it?

[NJSecularist]

16. When will the Hillbots stop running to Newsmax for information?

[MethuenProgressive]

31. The Chicago "We Endorse Obama" Tribune is run by NewsMax? Do you have a link?

[NJSecularist]

46. Your buddies are using a link from NewsMax. Not the Chicago Tribune.

[BlackVelvet04]

57. When Obamababies stop running to Drudge. n/t

[Danger Mouse]

153. first: use of 'obamababies' is against DU rules.

and second...two wrongs don't make a right.
Right wing garbage is right wing garbage.

[BlackVelvet04]

182. I notice you didn't comment on the Hillbot usage.....

you can take your hypocrisy somewhere else.

[Danger Mouse]

212. not hypocrisy. du mods have specified that the term 'obamababies' is against DU rules.

the jury is out on 'obamanuts' 'hill/shillbots' 'obamaniacs' 'cultists' and the like.
but obamababies...definitely not cool.

[Name removed]

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[Alexander]

28. You're citing right-wing sources in an effort to bring down a fellow Democrat?

When will you put down the crack pipe, Rush?

[MethuenProgressive]

36. The Chicago "We Endorse Obama" Tribune is a "right-wing source"? What are you smoking?

Why would a right wing paper endorse Obama?

[murielm99]

51. The Chicago Tribune is very republican.

It wouldn't surprise me if they are being nice to Obama now, only to smear him later.

Where do you live that you don't know what kind of paper the Trib is?

[jackson_dem]

35. Exactly. It is only a matter of time before someone looks through the footage and finds Obama

Or the msm or RNC find several folks who can confirm that Obama was there.

[bluedog]

220. not yet..they are waiting for him to become the nominee

and then..they'll come out with the tapes of him nodding or gesturing that he agrees with what is being said.........they more than likely are holding on to those tapes..to bring him down in the GE.

[eileen_d]

15. Obviously Obama has internalized these statements

and has incorporated them into his campaign.

[anonymous171]

20. Quoting from newsmax are we?

[Freida5]

21. Are you saying he was in attendance, when he told the press he wasn't. I wonder if the press will

challenge his lies

[jefferson_dem]

29. If the OP is saying that, the OP would be the one doing the lying.

But that's ok. The OP likes NewsMax so we'll grade him/her on a curve.

[jackson_dem]

37. The best thing for the RNC is to let it slide for now and then swifboat him as racist in Sept/Oct

So the msm may follow what is good for the rethugs and ignore it for now.

[Leopolds Ghost]

121. Therefore we know who is disseminating these statements--including the oh-so-awful Hillary speech

From Dec 07 which I (as a white man) heartily agree with.

[DemzRock]

Ugh - duplicate post - sorry.

[DemzRock]

26. Hmmm... I thought you guys said this story was over...

The white stuff isn't that bad... And what Wright says is not all that inacurate in a lot of ways, but it won't play well to a lot of people.

And the story isn't over, after all, I guess.

[barack the house]

38. He has denounced the comments I don't see what further he has to do he is half WHITE....

It sickens me that he is not entitled to strongly disagree with this as much as anyone. In the past folks have denied my half white side and it bothers me greatly. What was the posts about invisible woman how about his invisible white side. Do HRC supporters have no empahty and sense for right and wrong. Everyone in this life knows someone who has said something disagreeable we didn't like them for that statement but we didnt shun them for it. Barack is for unity as he would be within himself. He is the ideal candidate to bring extreme black and white churches closer.

[BlackVelvet04]

61. Geraldine Ferraro didn't get a pass, did she?

Barack isn't for unity...he's for votes.

[LisaL]

73. She should have just said she was the child of the sixties.

[rodeodance]

95. yes, that is how BO justified Wright.

[JoFerret]

135. Ferraro actually said nothing remarkable

if you actually read her words.
Nothing remarkable enough to have her burned at the holy bonfire of self-righteousness.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

143. Ferraro's words were true IN CONTEXT, not by themselves.

The media has been scared to criticize Obama, for fear of being attacked as racist.

Whereas, attacking Hillary is acceptable, because sexism is still everywhere, and both genders can get away with it.

The biggest enforcers I have known of keeping women in their place were my mother and grandmother. And they both had college educations!

I heard things like "It's a man's world. Get used to it." and in the kitchen, "You should know how to peel these". My response was "Well, I'm sorry Grandmother, but they don't have courses in peeling vegetables at the University I go to".

And then these women would say "You're going to college, and if you want to go to graduate school, we'll give you as much as you want". I ended up going to graduate school and getting a doctorate in a male-dominated field.



So I was supposed to be a superachiever -- Susy Homemaker and high powered career woman too. :wtf: :wtf: :banghead:

I grew up thinking that if I was feminine, I was weak and powerless. I wouldn't wear nail polish or makeup for years. I thought my brains would fall out. I even had fits of conscience over buying a shower curtain with flowers on it.

:banghead:

[JoFerret]

145. This seems about right.

Do you ever get the sense that there is a huge con game going on?

[Morning Dew]

112. Bingo !

Or she's just like your crazy old aunt who says outrageous things from time to time... yeah, that's it!

[Leopolds Ghost]

122. Folks DID justify Ferraro in exactly those terms.

Including me (on DU) and many media heads

[CreekDog]

141. that disqualifies Ferraro to be president, not Hillary

can we keep track of whom we are talking about.

[redstate_democrat]

88. And Hillary isn't for telling the truth and she doesn't even care about votes

[CreekDog]

140. i think Ferraro is not running

nor is Wright.

[lligrd]

39. This Is A Duplicate (And Disgusting) Post

Try reading the rules.

[JoFerret]

136. Oh dear. This thread is against the rule

"Thous shalt not say, imagine, think or believe anything that questions Obama's suitability to run the empire"
If he seems naked, close your eyes and be silenced. And stop being racist for talking.

[rodeodance]

196. ha ha

[MADem]

40. A VALID source will have to verify this, but IF TRUE, he's FUCKED.

I'm holding back from any "ah ha's!" because NEWSMAX does make shit up. Who's Jim Davis? Why hasn't this gotten to the mainstream media from when this was written to now?

If he can be seen in the audience, or if it is crystal clear in some other fashion that he is, in fact, present and happy as hell to be there, he has got himself some big trouble.

Those comments don't square with UNITY and CHANGE and BELIEVE. And if he didn't "separate" at that point in time, then he does have a blind spot.

[CreekDog]

142. Jim Davis saw a guy that looked like Obama

:eyes:

[MADem]

217. Who IS he, was my question. I thought that was the name of the guy who drew Garfield. NT

[okasha]

224. Because all black men look alike?

Aren't you the racist little puppy.

[CreekDog]

225. yeah whatever

i was joking that the reporter might have thought that. :eyes:

[Quixote1818]

41. Newsmax is a rag. It has less credibility than the Enquirer. nt

[NEDem]

42. It's fucking Newsmax !!

[MethuenProgressive]

45. So the story is not true? there are no tapes sold by Wright's church showing what's claimed?

How do you know this?

[ClayZ]

43. Bye Bye

[OhioBlue]

44. you are just incredible.

when did Obama ever tell the media to prove that he never heard anything objectionable?

and, you feel sorry for the white secret service men for what they heard in a church? Just think about how ridiculous that statement is for a moment.

[MethuenProgressive]

47. Obama followers who quote FOX, Novak, & Drudge are upset about a DUer quoting Newmax?

Odd.

[Oilwellian]

62. The only time I ever quoted Fox was when...

Fox Advisor Geraldine Ferraro recently spoke. Sometimes, we have no choice. :D

[Name removed]

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[BlackVelvet04]

59. That's the dumbest of all insults to throw at the Clintons...

racist. it's so stupid as to be mindboggling.

[malik flavors]

49. You people are so desperate it's pathetic. Yea, Obama is so racist he hates his own mother i suppose

[BlackVelvet04]

54. I believe in his book he admitted that he was angry at his

mother's race.

[malik flavors]

55. Actually no he didn't. And if you've read his books you know there's not a racist bone in his body.

So either you're just being an ass, or you've never read his books.

[BlackVelvet04]

68. Autobiography are self-serving by their very nature.....

he wrote what he wanted you to read. I never read autobiographies for that very reason....not Hillary's nor Barack's.

[jackson_dem]

58. Yeah--his first one. The campaign book is all about "unity" and "getting beyond race"

The second book was written, of course, when Obama attended a church led by his racist mentor...

He also talks about lashing out at his white grandparents on racial issues in his first book (which he wrote before entering politics).

He changed his views on whites, though--as far as we know. No can read his mind. We can only go by his record and actions.

[malik flavors]

66. And his records and actions show no signs of racism what so ever

if you can disprove me then do it. Give examples of him being racist. Him himself, not guilt by association.

And if after reading his books you left with the impression he was at all racist you must have seriously dreaded the analysis portions of your high school english exams, cause you'd be really lacking in the department.

[jackson_dem]

69. Thus far no. Let's see what we discover in the coming weeks and months

(it is kind of hard to become a senator or presidential front-runner on a racist platform. What do you expect? You think there is no one racist against whites in Congress? 0 have a voting record that suggests it so I guess there must be no anti-whites in Congress according to you.) He said in his book that he changed his views. The point is citing the fact he is half black doesn't inoculate him from being racist against whites because he admitted that he once was angry at half of his heritage. If that is possible then it is conceivable that anger could have led to the next step.

If it turns out he knew about Wright's bigotry and remained at that church then that would be something that would raise questions. It won't matter at that point. He would be toast so no one would care about someone who went the way of Gary Hart if that occurs.

[malik flavors]

70. Whatever you say Sean Hannity. Keep fishing for those racist tid bits from Obama.

Let me know if you find anything, or, perhaps, your sanity along the way.

Working on any other conspiracy theories at the moment?

How's the weather at area 51?

[jackson_dem]

77. You are a mind reader? Can you name one overtly anti-white congressperson or statewide official?

There aren't any because that would be political suicide.

[malik flavors]

82. When you put it like that, why not assume Hillary sexist and Bill's racist as well?

Why not think everyone's racist and murderous and out to harm us?

Why don't you scan your drivers license and post it in this thread so I can check your background, maybe I shouldn't be talking to you. I could be putting myself at serious risk having this conversation with you through this forum.

LET'S SEE SOME ID!

WHO ARE YOU!?!

[jackson_dem]

93. Have they attended a church led by a racist for two decades?

Or written how "angry" they were at one race? Obama's actions will raise the question. He did it to himself...

[malik flavors]

97. Hillary was a Gold Water girl, Bill compared obama to jesse jackson.

OMGZ!! THEIR RACIST111!!!

[jackson_dem]

101. Yeah. Two candidates in history have won SC on racial lines

Everyone else, like Edwards in 2004 and Clinton in 1992, did so by winning both racial groups that dominate SC. Two won with nearly unanimous support from one group while losing badly among the other. One is Jesse Jackson. The other is...

[malik flavors]

106. If Obama hadn't gotten almost 30% of the white vote, Hillary would have won South Carolina

And this was after beating Hillary in IOWA by 9 points. Jesse Jackson, he was not.

[Leopolds Ghost]

123. "only Two candidates in history have won SC on racial lines" -- FAIL

INCORRECT. Most intelligence insulting thing I've ever read on DU.

You ARE the weakest link -- goodbye

[Hoof Hearted]

89. Sitting in a racist church and donating his money to it for 20 years is an ACTION.

[malik flavors]

92. It's not a racist church, they had one radical preacher out of many.

And a church is more than just a preacher, it's a community. You people are so quick to judge.

[jackson_dem]

94. That church leader is also his mentor. Anyone who thinks he didn't know the guy was a bigot...

is fooling themselves.

[malik flavors]

98. He's his spirtual advisor. His opinion on anyhting else is irrelevent.

Poof! Be Gone!

[jackson_dem]

102. What ignorance

[malik flavors]

107. LOL, that's all you got left? Personal attacks?

I guess when you're losing a debate this bad there's not really anywhere else to go.

I'm out though.

Peace.

[The_Casual_Observer]

50. He lied about never hearing that shit. He lies so easily about

the small stuff. Why?

[malik flavors]

53. Oh Jeeez, He didn't say he had never heard anything questionable, he said he hadn't heard

those specific statements before or anything that inflammatory before. I think it's obvious that he's heard the random radical statement from time to time.

You people are such babies.

[The_Casual_Observer]

64. He lied.

[CreekDog]

147. To quote House, "Everybody Lies!"

hell if this is the new standard, then none of our candidates or McCain is truthful enough. politicians shade the truth to get 50%.

watch "The Candidate" sometime. Look what he needs to do to win. His moment of candor almost cost him the election...all his moments of obfuscating his positions got him elected.

as Bill Clinton once said, "IT IS A JOB!" and I would like to add, It is a fucking job and we need to find the person is the best combination of electable and once elected will do what we want. If you start choosing based on other things, you get those things in either a loser or those things in someone who will not do what you want them to do.

people are human beings, presidents should be a bit better than us and i would suggest that Obama on balance is a better person than most of us are. that said, he will have his deficiencies and personally i have not heard that he is a liar (any more than the usual politician shading), that he is a thief, that he has dubious plans, etc. etc.

[rodeodance]

90. cut with the crap--BO lied

[Danger Mouse]

138. What's so objectionable about his comments?

This IS the 'United States of White America'.
Why are some of my fellow white folk so offended by this?

[MethuenProgressive]

228. "The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color."

You don't object to that comment?

[casus belli]

60. Wow, that's great Googling there.

Or do you actually READ NewsMax?

So tell us, what terms did you have to enter in to the search bar or were you not looking for a damaging revelation when you went "surfing"?

[milkyway]

67. Are you fucking kidding? What's next, posting spam emails that say Obama's an al Qaeda sleeper cell?

How much more pathetic can you get, desperately hoping the extreme rightwing media can defeat Obama for you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5086943&mesg_id=5086943

[theredpen]

74. Why are these objectionable?

Are we disputing that there is a white elite power structure that runs this country and that it is arrogant?

Really?!

[oasis]

81. Let's see how it plays in Pennslyvania. (eom)

[theredpen]

104. Indeed!

[Thepricebreaker]

115. A whole lot of WHITE people vote.. and he needs them... including this white man...

[Leopolds Ghost]

124. So? I thought white people like you in the North believe in PLAIN SPEAKING and HONESTY.

Speaking plainly, this country is currently run by rich old white men.

This is not a recent development.

You might want to read the Louisiana state history textbook sometime.

[theredpen]

211. I'm white, too

And I agree with the sentiments.

Did it hit you in your comfort zone?

[AZBlue]

79. Oops, your racism is showing.

[rodeodance]

96. sounds like the dear pastor has a proble, with whites. Very divisive he is--like BO

[AZBlue]

109. Oh lookie! Yours is showing too!

[Madam Mossfern]

170. Actually, it seems more to me

that the Pastor does not have a problem with 'whites', rather that he is upset about the way that historically in the US white people have treated black people. Do you understand the difference?

[oasis]

80. I'm sure the video will show "Mr. Hope" storming out of the church. I'm very sure.

:eyes:

[Hoof Hearted]

83. It's newsmax today, but it'll be the MSM next week.

[redstate_democrat]

99. Oh, just like it will be for these sources?

There are literally hundreds of sites on the Internet dedicated to Hillary Clinton's scandals. Why isn't the media "picking up" these stories? Hillcap.org/hillaryproject/againsthillaryclinton today, MSM next week. Oh, Joy!

If you run a search on a popular search engine for "Hillary Clinton scadals" there will be 5,490,000 results

:rofl:

[Danzo]

100. Looks Like Newsmax MAY Be Telling The Truth

There's nothing about it over on MediaMatters.org about it, even thought NewsMax wrote this article back in July of 2007.

They just might be telling the truth this time.

http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/tags/newsmax_com

[eileen_d]

103. I need to pick a nit.... it's OBAMA, not OBAMBA

I have LA BAMBA running through my head now

[Strelnikov_]

105. Newsmax n/t

[Zynx]

110. You had to cite Newsmax didn't you?

[LuvMyPorsche]

111. mr. electability...

he's gonna do REALLY well in November.

Just let me know what it'll be like in 2012 by the time MCcain has appointed 2 wingnut justices and maybe started another war!

But it's ok... LOSE on principle right?

Wake me up in 2012!

[Tarheel_Dem]

113. Another hit piece from a rightwing rag from Candice....I'm shocked

Shocked I say! Hey while you're here, why don't you drop by & leave Skinner a little donation for all the anti-Obama bandwidth you so freely take advantage of.

[Thepricebreaker]

114. Problem with this is.. Obama said he never heard anything objectionable when he was there.

[Recursion]

116. Umm... you call that "hate speech"?

Sounds like somebody's white privilege has been ruffled a bit...

[MagickMuffin]

119. Since you want to bring out articles from NewsMax, then you better be prepared for the consequences

Christopher Ruddy said www.newsmax.com doesn't take a back seat to anyone, including the scion of conservatism, Rush Limbaugh. In fact, Ruddy said his website gets "2 million unique viewers a month"; Limbaugh is a distant second, with about 1 million.

And what will Ruddy do with this presence and position?

"I will do everything in my power to stop Hillary Rodham Clinton from becoming President," he told Boca GOP club members.

Ruddy noted, however, that he believes "the Democrat nominee will be Obama, and far more difficult to defeat than Hillary."

NewsMax Media Founder
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review (1994)
The New York Post (1993-94)
Citizens for Honest Government
Friends of Joe Lieberman
Hoover Institution Media Fellow (1997)

Christopher Ruddy, the most energetic of the journalists claiming vast Clinton conspiracies, left the New York Post after his early 1994 stories on the death of Vincent Foster were heavily criticized in other media outlets.
...
Hired by The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Ruddy was assigned by publisher Richard Mellon Scaife to pursue stories about Clinton.

Christopher Ruddy What's New in the Whitewater Archives? May 1996 Read Christopher Ruddy's view on Whitewater in his May 30, 1996 article: "Prosecutor faces dilemma in unraveling Whitewater".

Christopher Ruddy NewsMax.com: NewsMax Magazine Special offer NewsMax Magazine, like NewsMax.com, brings you exclusive stories the major media won't report. Even the liberal media can't ignore NewsMax Magazine - which has been cited on "Meet the Press with Tim Russert," CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and many other outlets. Each month in NewsMax Magazine you'll read Christopher Ruddy's hard-hitting investigative reports, with special commentaries from Dr. Laura Schlessinger, Carl Limbacher Jr., Dick Morris, Bill O'Reilly, David Limbaugh, James Hirsen, Michelle Malkin, Thomas Sowell, Barry Farber, Michael Reagan and many others.

It looks as though you should really do some research before posting crap from NewsMax. Because it won't matter who our nominee will eventually be, NewsMax will be there to slime them.

Edit: typos

[Perry Logan]

125. The rules clearly state that only NewsMax and Drudge articles smearing Hillary can be used at DU.

[desi]

131. Also Novak...

Please don't forget the Prince of Darkness.

K7R

[alteredstate]

127. For many people, this IS the "United States of White America"

and I'm seeing a lot of "white arrogance" right here at DU.

[Danger Mouse]

139. OMG, I said the exact same thing in my reply...isn't it amazing, all of the outrage...

over the TRUTH?

[CatsDogsBabies]

128. Even i this were true

Why does it matter? A white preacher should be praised for preaching about white arrogance. Why is it controversial i he sat in a church where this was said. Oh, that is right black people are only suppose to talk about how good white people are and how grateul they are to them .... BTW I am a white middle aged female. Most of the scandal-mongering posts about Obama are just stupid. It is amazing how little tolerance white people have for being challenged about some of the things that have happened in this country.

[CatsDogsBabies]

133. So what

So what

[CreekDog]

134. One thing is for sure and troubling too

That whatever the standard, Obama will be held to a higher one than any other candidate when it comes to race.

Easier being a black candidate my ass. x(

[Danger Mouse]

137. Give me a fucking break. First, you quote NEWSMAX with a straight face??

Second, i see nothing wrong with Wright's comments.
I see plenty of 'white arrogance' in this thread alone.

[Maribelle]

146. Bully up much?

Your rant, that you 'see nothing wrong with Wright's comments' is truly pathetic - - with such filth coming from Wright's pulpit such as "God damn America". The freedom of speech which you so want to support Wright with, you also attempt to bully away from posters 'in this thread alone'.

This one's for you, hero:

God bless America,

Land that I love,

Stand beside her and guide her

Thru the night with a light from above;


From the mountains, to the prairies,

To the oceans white with foam,

God bless America,

My home, sweet home.

God bless America,

My home, sweet home.

[Danger Mouse]

150. Hero? You can give me a break too. It's okay to quote from RW hate sites...

as long as it helps your side, right?
And I didn't say I agreed with all of Wrights comments, but these ones I certainly do. 'White arrogance' and 'U.S. of W.A.' indeed.

[Maribelle]

156. Obama supporters do not seem to have a problem quoting right wing hate.

Why on earth do Obama supports fail to check the mirror to see the condition of their forked tongues.

It truly is not a pretty sight.

[Danger Mouse]

159. I've never quoted any right wing site on DU....and I don't have a forked tongue.

RW hate sites are garbage no matter who tries to use them to their advantage. And the 'it's okay if we do it as long as you do it' argument doesn't fly with me.

[Maribelle]

164. And I have absolutely no problem with ...

Obama supporters playing this good-cop bad-cop game.

[Danger Mouse]

166. Good-cop bad-cop? I don't get what you mean...

I don't like what I see out of supporters of either candidate.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

204. She's really weird with that "forked tongue" thing. She used it on me too.

Guess it's supposed to distract from her obvious defense of racism. :shrug:

[Maribelle]

144. 'Just words' Obama?

How convenient of Obama to feign ignorance of his pastor's blasphemous tirades. A convenience Obama seems to search out for on far too many issues which reflect negatively on his earlier political ambitious sojourn.

Yes, the exact ignorance he feigns on the corrupt Rezko, corruption manifested before and during the political races in which Obama used Rezko for campaign fundraisers.

It appears truth and Obama will remain nebulous friends on issues where Obama obviously allowed his ambitions to override any sense of good judgment.

Either Obama responded to the alter call with Wright because he believed in a theology of 'Christianity' that emphasized being black above all things -or- he joined Wright because he believed this powerful church could assist his political ambitions.

[ecdab]

149. So it's blasphemous to speak out against racism?

[Maribelle]

154. Jesus was not black and other blasphemous things the pastor lied about.

I am not here to educate you on blasphemy - - but do try to look up the meaning of the word before you spit out your racist hate again, because you just make yourself look like you're trying to bully me around.

And I am more than willing to try to kick sand in the faces of anyone that pulls this bully crap.

[Danger Mouse]

157. Waah! Waah! Reverse racism! Waah!

How do you know Jesus wasn't black?
Cause all of the pictures of Jesus...are lily white??

[Maribelle]

160. Jesus was from the tribe of Judah, in fulfillment of the prophecy.

[Danger Mouse]

162. And their skin color was...

:shrug:

[Manifestor_of_Light]

167. He didn't bring peace to the world or rebuild the temple in Jerusalem.

Or bring all Jews to Israel. He was not of Royal blood. He was not a direct descendant of King David and King Solomon.

There's a whole bunch of characteristics of the Messiah spelled out in the O.T.

Ever read the O.T.?

http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/jews-jesus/jews-jesus-index.html

[Maribelle]

169. Yes I have studied the OT. But you do not seem to have read the New Testament.

If you had, you would understand the fulfillment of the prophecy a little more than you do.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

173. I bet you couldn't pass the course in Old Testament I took.

Read the list at the link. Simple.

[Maribelle]

178. I think you have thread drift. Wright preached Christianity.

Let me know if you wish to drift back to the subject of this thread which is what Wright preached.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

186. It's not my fault if you have cognitive dissonance.

Anyone who believes ALL the bible as being literally true believes two contradictory ideas at the same time. There are quite a few examples. I won't waste my energy.

Christianity is a death cult and I want no part of it.

[Maribelle]

192. Stop trying to shove your crap down my throat, OK. Obama's preacher preached Christianity.

that is what this discussion is about

[Danger Mouse]

214. You never asked my question. What color is the skin of the tribe that Jesus came from?

[ecdab]

172. Really -

Jesus was a fictional character by many accounts, was he a lilly white fictional character or a darker skinned fictional character, I don't think I really care.

Since when did Democrats try and using religious beliefs to call down their political rivals? The answer, as of now - is when the rival is black.

I've been watching Hillary supports stoke the fires of racism for the last few days because they think they may be able to scare a few voters in Pennsylvania away from Obama. This has been the lowest this board has ever sunk. There has been a collective choice made by many Hillary supporters to toss off any defense of multiculturalism and ethnic understanding in favor of trying to scare white people with multiculturalism and ethnic differences. People that do that are either racist or political opportunist that don't really care about racism or the fight against it - and you are one of the people doing that, so start kicking sand.

Were your delicate senses of outrage sent off the charts when Bill Clinton was playing hide the cigar with a women that was not his wife? I wasn't pleased, but I joined MoveOn because I didn't think it was my business. But that was real biblical blasphemy (not that I care about biblical anything). And now you are outraged because somebody suggested Jesus was black - what do you think that says about you? What do you think that says about you to other people?

[Maribelle]

175. It is truly sad to see...

that you have your nose still stuck in Clinton's zipper.

[ecdab]

179. Most racist can not answer a direct question

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you ducked every question I asked you.

[Maribelle]

181. blasphemy ...

blas·phe·my

blas·phe·my
(plural blas·phe·mies)
n
1. disrespect for religion: disrespect for God or sacred things
2. something showing disrespect for religion: something done or said that shows disrespect for God or sacred things

[ecdab]

187. So you are saying it is disrespectful to God to think Jesus was black?

If that is what you think, then yeah - you are a racist.

[Maribelle]

191. Not if you're Jewish, Hindu, Shinto, Islamic, Sikh ....

or any other religion of the world that does not base its teachings on Jesus as the Messiah promised in the Old Testament and fulfilled in the New Testament.

[ecdab]

193. Do you even try to deny being a racist?

[Maribelle]

198. Blasphemy - - that was your question not mine. Remember?

[ecdab]

199. I asked you if you believed it was blasphemy to fight against racism

- you answered by stating that it was blasphemous to suggest that Jesus was black.

I also asked you a number of other questions that you ducked.

I asked you when did it start to be OK for Democrats to call down their political rivals because of religion. You ducked.

I asked you if you felt any biblical outrage when Bill Clinton was playing hide the cigar in violation of the ten commandments. You ducked.

I noted that there has been a collective choice made by many Hillary supporters to toss off any defense of multiculturalism and ethnic understanding in favor of trying to scare white people with multiculturalism and ethnic differences. People that do that are either racist or political opportunist that don't really care about racism or the fight against it. You ducked.

I asked you what you thought people would make of the racist overtones of your remarks. You ducked.

I asked you if you thought it was disrespectful to God to suggest that Jesus may have had a skin color other than white. You ducked.

I asked if you denied being a racist. You ducked.

I noted that most racists can not answer a direct question. You ducked.

[Maribelle]

200. Once again you are confusing the meaning of words.

I never 'ducked' one of your questions. I merely refused to go down into the deep dark hole you attempted to drag me into.

Refusing is not ducking. Get it yet?

Give it up.

[ecdab]

201. You dug you own deep dark hole by stating it was blasphemy to

suggest that Jesus wasn't white.

The rest of your ducking is just the cowardice of a racist.

[Maribelle]

208. Those believing in the fulfillment of the prophecy believe Jesus skin was Olive.

You truly need to wash your brain out before it corrodes further.

[ecdab]

218. And it is offensive to God to suggest otherwise - whatever gets

you through the night and stokes your racism. Just remember, while you are going around talking about how it was blasphemous for Rev, Wright to suggest that Jesus may have been black - that Bill Clinton was sticking a cigar in little girls crotch - and that doesn't seem to bug you.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

176. Jesus is fictional to me.

[Barack_America]

148. Obama did not say that he never heard Wright say anything controversial.

He said that he had not personally heard the statements that have been played in the media.

I hesitate to classify these statements as "controversial", however, considering they are unequivocally true.

[Danger Mouse]

151. The reactions to these statements in this thread just shows how true they are.

[ecdab]

174. Elrond,

My heart is breaking watching these threads. Are these people - people I looked upon as my fellow brother and sisters in the fight against that which has made this country ill - racists or just political opportunists that don't care if they hurt the cause of racial equality in order to get what they want? Or am I missing something?

This has truly defied all expectation I had for many of my fellow Democrats.

[Danger Mouse]

213. Some racists, some opportunists who will do anything to win, some freeper trolls...

I would add that there are many good people on DU that support Hillary, and I see none of them participating and encouraging threads like these. It's always the same small group of 'usual suspects.'

[ecdab]

219. Perhaps a DU hall of shame is in order for these 'usual suspects"

[Window]

158. SO!!

And...

[Maribelle]

168. But Barack now claims he never heard about any of this until he began his run for the president...

Come on, Barack. I'm backing you because you are not 'one of them.' You have inspired me and millions of others because you are not a typical politician. You tell it like it is, don't fudge the facts, and don't dodge and weave with clever words to avoid uncomfortable truths.

Tell it straight. Was Reverend Wright so radical that his post 9/11 comments did not cause a stir at the Church, and you never learned about them until 2007, nearly 6 years later? Why, when you did learn about them, did you not ask Revered Wright to step down from his role in your campaign?

Give us the plain truth. You won't lose us by being brutally honest. You only risk shaking our faith in you if you seem like so many other politicians that crowd the field.




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gerald-posner/rev-wright-and-barack_b_91693.html

[uponit7771]

180. Stop lying, he said he never heard the ones that were played. All blacks have heard someone say....

...something similar to Wright come out of a pastors mouth but not the ones that FAUX news played.

Also, many blacks can't relate to what the hell you're up in arms about!! The country is over 70% white and that's a fact not in dispute

[Maribelle]

183. Try reading the link. I merely quoted what was in the link.

[izzybeans]

177. I had about 30 impressionable young minds in a classroom when I lead a discussion

on White Privilege and Arrogance. One of my students said (and I can't remember if he gyrated his hips or not :sarcasm:) that he felt like he lived in the United States of White America.

I'll remind him not to run for President, if this will please you. We are here to serve.

[backscatter712]

185. OMG!!! WRIGHT IS THE DEMON HIMSELF!!!

just because he shoots his mouth off!

I'm sorry but if some of you Hillary shills and freepers that seem bound and determined to shrill up this board actually listen to more than the tape-looped soundbites that the media is spoon-feeding you to feed the demonization that's going on of him, you might find that he says a hell of a lot that is right. A lot more than the wrongs he says when he tries to say decent things, but lets his temper get to him.

But I suppose this won't get through to you. You and your ilk consider ruining human beings to be fun sport. You don't consider the consequences of your actions, upon Rev. Wright, upon Barack Obama, or upon this country and this world. You don't give a shit - you just want to win at any cost.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

189. Wright can ruin himself with his own words.

You said he lets his temper get to him.

He can do it to himself.

He doesn't need anyone's help.

[backscatter712]

190. So why do you claim Obama's run is finished?

I thought it was Wright, not Obama that shoots off his mouth?

[rodeodance]

195. BO wants it both ways--says race not importan-will transcend--now we see

no--he will not do that.

[backscatter712]

202. Now you're struggling to even come up with a coherent argument.

Trying to find hypocrisy that isn't there.

[Coexist]

188. and?

[Tribetime]

203. so this means?

[Kahuna]

206. So! I don't care. nt

[Forkboy]

207. 17 recs for a Newsmax article. Some of you Hillary fans are as thick as a whale omelet.

[helderheid]

209. !!

:spray: :rofl:

[Bake]

210. This is just going to get worse for Obama.

He had to go say "I never heard those statements ..."

The wingers are going to find VIDEO of the Big O in the pew when Wright was going off on one of his rants. Obama's going to be on the defensive continually.

This isn't going away. Obama is killing the party.

Bake

[dancingme]

222. Jeff Gannon wrote for Newsmax

when Newsmax was helping "Talon News."

[robbedvoter]

223. Newsmax is the sewer, but this was written before the denial and an eye witness

gives a date - directly contradicting "I never heard such statements"
Also, kinda funny from people embracing Drudge's vague statements "Clinton staffers circulated" as truth to campaign on

[smiley_glad_hands]

226. Newmax is a republican outlet. eom

[Danzo]

227. Hey, I Heard That NewsMax Said That 2+2=4

Since NewsMax said it, it MUST be false, right?

[smiley_glad_hands]

231. Nice try. They are not a legitimate source.

DU is certainly not that place for someone to shill for their credibility.

The story is false. Maybe you should check out freak republic.

[IsItJustMe]

229. I, as a Rush Limbaugh Democrat, approve of this OP.

:sarcasm:

[workinclasszero]

230. Newsmax? Damn Freakrepublic invades DU!

Is this Rush's latest missive to his Hillbot troops?

Anybody thats uses reich wing lies from Newsmax has no credibility at all.:puke:

[NoodleyAppendage]

232. Ask yourself. Are you going to RISE ABOVE IT or are you going to PEDDLE IN IT?

You have a choice. Either move closer to the racism of yesteryear or move beyond it and hope for a better America. I choose the latter.

J

[dionysus]

233. NEWSMAX

at long last have you bots no shame?

[Jed Dilligan]

234. Is that FreeRepublic member Jim Davis?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5131508

No, surely you would not post such a source. The article must refer to "Garfield" creator Jim Davis.

[elixir]

235. k

[grantcart]

236. New York Times actually ran Kristol's version of this and aplogized for their error

The Obama campaign proved that he wIn this column, I cite a report that Sen. Obama had attended services at Trinity Church on July 22, 2007. The Obama campaign has provided information showing that Senator Obama did not attend Trinity that day. I regret the error.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/17/opinion/17kristol.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

[LanternWaste]

237. "...information showing that Sen. Obama did not attend Trinity that day. I regret the error."

"In this column, I cite a report that Sen. Obama had attended services at Trinity Church on July 22, 2007. The Obama campaign has provided information showing that Sen. Obama did not attend Trinity that day. I regret the error."

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/bill_kristol_corrects_false_as.php


Note-- I'm not an Obama supporter, but there's bull-shit and then there's chicken-shit. This story is chicken-shit meant to divide the Democratic party even further-- and it appears to have worked on many DU'ers.

Most regrettable and unfortunate that we have allowed ourselves to get played by the RW.

[ima_sinnic]

238. what is so "offensive" about "white arrogance" and US of white America"?

are they not true?

talk about clutching at straws! sheesh, like INTELLIGENT white voters expect black parishioners to have exactly the same views they do and not to just shrug that off. I mean, did we not have 100 years of white rule after the Civil War that was arrogant and demeaning and segregationist? what the hell is wrong with billary voters, that they are digging so deeply and desperately?

I know what it is--her campaign is being run by a bunch of republicans, who are also the only people voting for her. They are also infiltrating progressive forums and message boards like little oxycontin clones, trying to undermine the democratic party. turds, all of them.