When OBAMA Has to Take Madrassa, Photo, "As Far as I Can Tell" from Drudge and the Moonies....

[McCamy Taylor]

.... to prove that his opponent is a stealth Republican, we can see that there is a right wing conspiracy to divide and conquer the Democratic Party by throwing smears at one Democratic Candidate and blame them on another Democratic Candidate. And some people on this board who claim to be Obama supporters either believe the lies or are paid to post to believe the lies. And Obama himself is either so politically naive that he believes the lies or he is so short sighted that he pretends to believes the lies for immediate Democratic sympathy votes, even though this will cripple the party in the general election.

Since Hillary is portrayed by the left wing media as being slightly to the center of Obama, this is supposed to lend credence to the claims of ultra-conservative Drudge and the Rev. Moon that they are now working for the Clintons, even though we all know that they shill for the Republican Party. And even though Fox and the others regularly portray Hillary a lesbian robot satanist bitch witch ice queen from hell.

This is what Nixon and Pat Buchanan and CREEP did to Muskie in 1972. Rove worked with them then. They did it to Edwards already and they are doing it to Hillary:

http://www.woodstockjournal.com/elections.html

August, 1971
a newspaper article damning the political chances of Senator
Edward Kennedy was mailed to the media and
all members of Congress in counterfeit Muskie envelopes

again by the Nixonites

February 2, 1972
The Nixonites sent out a letter from “Citizens for Muskie”:
“We on the Senator Edmund Muskie staff sincerely
hope you have decided upon Senator Muskie as your choice.
However, if you have not made your decision
you should be aware of several facts”

The letter went on to accuse Senators Jackson & Humphrey
of a variety of sexual activities
going back to 1929.
The letter was prepared with the help of
25 year old Robert Benz, a Young Republicans leader from Tampa

A Tampa accountant named George A. Hearing later
pleaded guilty to publishing and distributing the
Muskie sex letter
after negotiation
with fed. pros. Bill Haines
There were a few billboards appearing in Florida
on behalf of Muskie which called for “more busing”
and sponsored by “Mothers for Muskie”

February 20, 1972
other phony Muskie letters were handed out at a Wallace rally
in the Tampa-St. Petersburg area,
an area considered key to victory by Muskie’s staff

The Wallace rally letter read, “If you like Hitler, you’d love Wallace”

During all this in Florida
someone sent the fake Canuck letter.

Read about the Canuck letter on your own.

I know that the divisive posts will not stop, because many of these fires are not being fanned by people who have the best interests of the Democratic Party at heart. Some are obviously Freepers. They use Freeper jargon. They are here following the old CREEP dirty tricks play book. Some are Obama supporters who feel that they have been denied a fair shake and therefore any dirty trick is allowed. Some are just very young and do not know better.

The Democratic Party will survive them all, but thousands of US soldiers and tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians will not survive them if they deliberately continue to ignore the real enemy---John McCain.

[grantcart]

1. NYT: Clinton Finds Way to Play Along With Drudge

WASHINGTON, Oct. 21 — As Senator Barack Obama prepared to give a major speech on Iraq one morning a few weeks ago, a flashing red-siren alert went up on the Drudge Report Web site. It read, “Queen of the Quarter: Hillary Crushes Obama in Surprise Fund-Raising Surge,” and, “$27 Million, Sources Tell Drudge Report.”Within minutes, the Drudge site had injected Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s fund-raising success into the day’s political news on the Internet and cable television. It did not halt coverage of Mr. Obama’s speech or his criticism of her vote to authorize the war in 2002, but along the front lines of the campaign — the hourly, intensely fought effort to capture the news cycle or deny ownership of it to the other side — it was a telling assault.

Mrs. Clinton’s aides declined to discuss how the Drudge Report got access to her latest fund-raising figures nearly 20 minutes before the official announcement went to supporters. But it was a prime example of a development that has surprised much of the political world: Mrs. Clinton is learning to play nice with the Drudge Report and the powerful, elusive and conservative-leaning man behind it.

But, typical of a campaign with a reputation for exploiting every advantage and trying to neutralize every disadvantage, Mrs. Clinton’s communications team, led by Howard Wolfson, is not leaving Mr. Drudge to the Republicans. Five current and former Democratic officials said Mrs. Clinton has on her side the closest thing her party has ever had to Mr. Rhoades in Tracy Sefl, a former Democratic National Committee official, who has established a friendly working relationship with Mr. Drudge — and through whom Mrs. Clinton’s campaign often worked quietly to open a line of communication.

In April, Mr. Drudge scored exclusive access to a first round of Clinton fund-raising figures. In later months, he highlighted a campaign strategist’s prediction that Mrs. Clinton would win over even some Republican voters, polls showing her lead widening and articles chronicling her success in winning over previously skeptical voters.

Though liberals say the site’s ideological imbalance remains plain, Republicans, who viewed the site as theirs in campaigns past say they are noticing what they believe to be more Democratic driven — often Clinton driven — items on it. And, as New York magazine reported recently, Mr. Drudge sometimes mentioned Mrs. Clinton favorably on his syndicated radio program, even if no one really knows whether his comments reflected admiration or simply a recognition that keeping her in the news is good for his business.
. . . .At the same time, Democrats said they noticed an occasional Clinton-friendly tone from Mr. Drudge, whom New York magazine quoted as saying on his program: “I need Hillary Clinton. You don’t get it. I need to be part of her world. That’s my bank.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/22/us/politics/22drudge.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1

Fact is you play with fire sometimes you get your hands burned

[McCamy Taylor]

3. We have only Drudges word he got it from Hillary. One of the CREEP strategies was moles

It is in the document I post. Also they managed to steal information from Muskie's campaign. And that was in the days before AT&T and domestic spying. Every phonecall email and fax that the Dems make is being monitored by the Republicans. Drudge could have gotten either way--from a mole or from the WH via the AT&T.

Hillary could not tell the NYT "someone stole the information from my campaign." That would reveal a weakness. So it was safer to say nothing. The whole purpose of Drudge stealing the info and then having the NYT run the story was to give people like you something they could refer to when they are claiming that Hillary feeds smears about Obama to Drudge and the Moonies.

There was absolutely no reason for Hillary to give Drudge anything 20 minutes before it went to the regular press. She got nothing out of it. Any association between Clinton and Drudge in the primary election is nothing but a big fat Republican smear against Hillary designed to cost her Democratic votes---as you well knew when you posted that accusation.

Sometimes I think that the right wing believes that Democrats are as stupid as their own GOP base. That they think that we were born yesterday and that we will believe anything, just because it has a New York Times byline on it. Judy Miller had a New York Times byline, too.

[grantcart]

7. Your fallacious arguments have shown that despite all of your big effort

your really simply a hack.

You have a predetermined opinion of what is happening and you will fit all of the scenarios and theories to make it fit your opinion.

I am not condemning Clinton for trying to establish a relationsip with Drudge, you are. I don't like him but if she can develop him as a friendly source I think it would be a very smart move on her part. When it was clear that the Clinton campaign was giving scoops to Drudge everyone thought it was hip and smart. And Mr. Pedantic Conspiracy Idealogue the Clinton campaign never denied that they were the source for the material and never claimed a mole.

Giving material to Drudge is not the same as the more serious offense of those liberals who continually go on Fox - like Wes Clark and Ferraro and are paid talking heads - they manipulate, etc.

Nor do I think that the Clinton campaign leaked the Obama photo at a high source. It was done either by accident or by someone at a low level - even a volunteer.

If you want to maintain respect and readership you might want to stick to a more careful critique of real patterns of bias, intended or unintentional and leave the aluminum foil stuff for the adolescents.

The whole premise of your schtick is undone by the Clinton's long historical record and pattern of actively seducing and bonding with all kinds of people to try and get good press. My god man the actually did hire Dick Morris for two long terms, so please you can impress your neighbors with this elaborately written dribel and there are a few Hillary supporters who will eat anything you feed them but if you want to be taken seriously by the serious people here you have to bring something more substantial than Nixon's Muskie memo 30 years ago and the fact that campaigns use moles - gee that has never happened before.

Your sweetheart has been more active and more persistent in trying to forge relationships with right wing media than anyother major democratic leader. And that is a fact that can be documented by straight campaign contributions.

[anamandujano]

2. You don't ever factor in how game Obama and Jackson Jr were

to engage in the race baiting, or how they profited (only in the short term, of course) from it.

[McCamy Taylor]

4. I do factor that in, if you read the post.

[anamandujano]

10. I read the post, as well as your others. Obama's excuse is naivety?

Hillary has been the only victim in this mess. Every time she opened her mouth to defend herself or get a little information out of Mr. Vague, they all called her a dirty campaigner and a racist. Obama got a good run out of this situation.

What befell Obama, except his utter stupidity in playing it all this way?

Only now is he getting it good, and only because he handed them the ammunition by living his life the way he did. He chose his friends and associates, not Hillary.

This is not some made up story by the Repukes, swift boating, it's real and it's not nice. Equating Ferraro's comment with Wright is quite a stretch. They're from the same time, okay. Okay? You can hypothesize til the cows come home about Ferraro sitting at home spewing racist crap every night but we don't have her on tape and Hillary was not sitting with her listening starry eyed, was she?

You are simply excusing Obama for his dirty campaign, trying to spread the blame evenly between him, Hillary and Rove. Sorry, I'm not buying it.

[FrenchieCat]

11. Hillary is a victim ?

Well, we don't need no victim to be President. We've got enough problems!

[anamandujano]

14. Can somebody please tell me who answered post #2 and post #10

so I can take them off ignore for a few minutes. I'm guessing the material is inconsequential since those are the only ones I put on ignore.

[Forkboy]

21. Unignore and find out for yourself.

Lazy ass. :P

[Window]

15. I'm not trying to be funny, but they have all your posts over at the site that shall not be named.

[FrenchieCat]

8. Could you explain that Race bating stuff again.....

cause I missed it.

Only heard Obama likened to a preacher preaching false hope before Iowa.....and that MLK just talked, but LBJ got things done. Was there something that happened before that, that I wasn't aware of?

[McCamy Taylor]

5. Here we go, 1st reply is "Hill is the anti-Christ. 2nd is "No,Obama is" Guys, we are the enemy

we when fight among ourselves.

But you can see why I think that there are paid posters from the RNC on this board. Day or night, the first people to respond to anything, especially anything I write that blames the Republicans or the press or Rove or that calls for unity--the first people to post are always a "Blame Hillary!" followed by a "Blame Obama!"

Sometimes, I wonder if they are all working out of the same room somewhere.

[anamandujano]

13. Brilliant observation but does not go to the heart of the matter.

Obama ran a dirty campaign against Hillary, helped by the MSM for whatever reason and now Karma has stepped up to the plate.

May I also add that during the general, some people will say McCain is the bad guy and others will say that Hillary is the bad guy. That's they way these contests go.

So now I see you are accusing me of being a paid Rove staffer because I'm up too late and challenging your faulty logic? That's a pathetic way to try to win a debate.

[Skidmore]

6. Hillary's campaign is run by the same consultant that is running McCain's campaign.

Does that not give you pause?

http://www.americablog.com/2008/02/mark-penns-tangled-corporate-web.html

Monday, February 25, 2008

Mark Penn's tangled corporate web: Clinton is a client; McCain is a client.
by Joe Sudbay (DC) · 2/25/2008 10:18:00 AM ET · Link
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As has been widely reported, Hillary Clinton's top guru, Mark Penn, is leading the charge within the Clinton campaign to go aggressively negative against Obama. Besides the fact that Penn is the architect responsible for Hillary's presidential aspirations going from "inevitable" to being on life support, he is reportedly obsessed with destroying Obama. While it is understandable that Clinton's top adviser wants his client to win at all costs, going massively negative against Obama (or Hillary for that matter) risks damaging our candidate in the fall election against McCain. Unfortunately, this is something another "client" would welcome. That client is named John McCain.

Penn is the CEO of Burson-Marsteller, a DC public relations (PR) firm. Burson-Marsteller owns a subsidiary, BKSH. BKSH is run by Charlie Black. Black is a longtime Republican politico, and a top adviser for John McCain for President. And, as Think Progress notes, while Black is a volunteer on the McCain campaign, he views Mcain as his client and continues to take a paycheck from BKSH. JedReport dissected these relationships in a diary on DailyKos last night.

Much more after the jump...

And, Ari Berman wrote about this last spring:
A host of prominent Republicans fall under Penn's purview. B-M's Washington lobbying arm, BKSH & Associates, is run by Charlie Black, a leading GOP operative who maintains close ties to the White House, including Karl Rove, and was a partner with Lee Atwater, the consultant who crafted the Willie Horton smear campaign for George H.W. Bush in 1988. In recent years Black's clients have included the likes of Iraq's Ahmad Chalabi, the darling of the neocon right in the run-up to the war; Lockheed Martin; and Occidental Petroleum. In 2005 he landed a contract with the Lincoln Group, the disgraced PR firm that covertly placed US military propaganda in Iraqi news outlets....

more....

[FrenchieCat]

9. Not if there is a 30 year old memo written by Pat Buchanan

that impresses the poster to the extent that I have now read this memo like 3 times.

[anamandujano]

12. Hillary does not have to go negative against Obama or try to destroy him.

The press is now on the case with a juicy story and he did it to himself. She will not be involved in his downfall in any way.

She had to speak up before to challenge his twisting her positions on the issues, to do the MSM's work. She can now take a rest since they are finally off to the races.

You are going to have a hard time pinning this one on her. She was handed a gift by Obama. That's the way it goes.

[Skidmore]

16. Hillary's campaign is coordinated with McCain by the firm that manages them both

and who use the RW media slime machine as part of its working. Hillary hasn't beat the RW machine--she joined it.

[anamandujano]

18. You refuse to see that Obama has slimed himself by his relationships

with Rezko and Wright. You simply cannot blame Hillary for his life choices.

You also refuse to see that he both instigated and profited from playing the race card.

(I will say that Hillary shouldn't be using this guy for her media IF he is also working for McCain. It's kind of like a husband and wife using the same lawyer for a divorce. If it's just a matter of same management, eh, no problem.

We all know that Repukes are good at digging up stuff that eludes the lazy@ss MSM, especially Charlie Fukwit Black. So, Hillary probably did know about this stuff but SHE DID NOT ATTACK BAMA WITH IT. Case closed.)

[Skidmore]

20. Hillary and Bill have 35 years of slime and muck that will get

drug out and smeared all over the nation in the GE. Some of it since they have been out of office. Case is not closed. I don't want those two near the WH.

[K Gardner]

17. McCamy, I've typically really enjoyed your posts, but I'm not sure now

if you're trying to write something serious or slam Obama. When I see this: "And Obama himself is either so politically naive that he believes the lies or he is so short sighted that he pretends to believes the lies for immediate Democratic sympathy votes, even though this will cripple the party in the general election.", I have to assume you've used a lot of words just for a hit job. And I'll have to stop reading until you've returned to being a bit more even-handed. You have a gift, McCamy.. I look forward to seeing more in the future.

[cooolandrew]

19. We're not deaf we heard Ferraro and Johnson. A poll on here said most Obama supporters on here are

over 30 we are not naive wouldn't you in reverse find that ever so slightly patronising.