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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:14 PM
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Kerry wasting money in Oregon?
No official source, just internet scuttlebutt. Supposedly the campaign is paying for 2 million "party unity" phone calls to keep Kucinich from getting over the matching fund level.

At the same time, the campaign organization has not set up in the two key states of Ohio and Michigan.

If so, a serious waste of money. I've given the limit to Kucinich and was about to start sending the dough to Kerry, but not if he is going to use it that way.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:18 PM
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1. Oregon is a state right on the edge
he is putting in staff as fast as he can hire them. He needs to consolidate the states that went for Gore last time and Oregon was within 1 percent.

the campaign is coming up to speed fast, considering. don't let the scuttlebutt skew your thinking, Kerry is doing everything as fast as he can.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:21 PM
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2. Calls could help with fundraising
Just because a state is "safe" doesn't mean Kerry shouldn't reach out in them. If he spends $2 million but nets $4 million in contributions it's a net plus.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:23 PM
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3. I think Oregon is one of the swing states.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:25 PM
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4. OK, so why is he running against Kucinich there--
--and not Bush?
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 12:29 AM
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7. Probably for the same reason Kucinich is running against Kerry there--
--and not Bush. Because it's the primary election, May 18th.

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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:03 AM
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11. So why is he spending money on it?
Instead of getting his organization going in Michigan and Ohio?
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:46 AM
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12. Why is Kucinich spending money on it?

Sorry if you think Kerry shouldn't try to win.


But Kucinich is the one wasting Kerry's money. If Kucinich would drop out and concentrate on fighting the Republicans, then Kerry wouldn't have to run against Kucinich, and could devote all his efforts to Bush.


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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 12:58 PM
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13. GMFAO!
Aww, is Kucinich being a meany, staying in the PRIMARY?

Oregon for Kucinich!

Btw, it isn't Kerry's money!
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 01:21 PM
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15. What bullshit
Kucinich is welcome to stay in the primary. That is his right. And guess what? Kerry is his opponent.


You said:

Aww, is Kucinich being a meany, staying in the PRIMARY?

Oregon for Kucinich!

Btw, it isn't Kerry's money!



Aww, is Kerry being a meany, competing in the PRIMARY? America for Kerry! Yes, it is Kerry's money.


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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:47 PM
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18. Kucinich is doing his damndest to get left/green voters to vote Democrat
He can only do this if he can force Kerry to pay attention to their attitudes about the war, universal health care, and fair trade.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 05:45 PM
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19. That's his right.

Just as it's my right to believe that is a counter-productive effort.

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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:33 PM
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5. More like wasting money in Colorado!
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:36 PM
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6. Seriously
I would not be surprised in the least if Oregon goes to Kucinich. He's been working this state HARD. He's even come to my small town.

Today was the 1st time I was contacting in any way by Kerry. He sent a letter - asking for money.
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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 02:32 AM
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8. No way is Kerry spending $2 million against Kucinich
I am 99.9 percent sure that that is bogus.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 02:34 AM
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9. I haven't heard a word of that
No party unity phone calls. Nothing about going after Kucinich, not a word of it. I make phone calls myself and our Democratic Club isn't pushing anybody one way or the other for the primaries. Here's who's on the ticket and have you sent in your ballot. That's it. Sounds like more trumped up whine that people have been throwing at Kerry to drum up sympathy for their candidates for a very long time.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 03:38 AM
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10. Oregon...
Gore only beat Bush by about 6000 votes in Oregon in 2000. Nader captured a goodly amount of the votes in that election. This primary, not only do we have LaRouche in the mix on the ballot, we have Dennis still hanging in there. Nader failed to qualify for the primary...now needs to get 15,000 supporters over the next three months for November ballot placement. He is not likely to qualify.

The I-5 corridor is the liberal part of Oregon. Anything east or west of I-5 is solidly conservative. If Kerry doesnt make an effort in this state, he could go down in the primary. Greens and independents will probably continue to support Dennis...and some of the other parties may decide to back the cultist, Lyndon LaRouche who is running as a dem.

Would be interesting if EX-judge Moore was on the November ballot in Oregon--he would take all the fundie vote...and this state is lousy with fundies.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 01:18 PM
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14. Don't believe it. This is NOT happening.
You should be very careful of what rumors are being spread. GOP operatives have been working overtime to break up the unity on the left and a rumor like this is right up their alley.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 01:22 PM
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16. So this thread is based on a false, GOP spread rumor?


Wouldn't that actually mean that Kucinich staying in the primaries is a pointless, divisive effort that can only help Bush?

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 02:34 PM
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17. No. Kucinich is helping Kerry.
Edited on Tue May-04-04 02:34 PM by blm
People make the mistake of seeing him as an alternative voice when Dennis would be the first to tell you he's an ADDITIONAL voice.

Kerry would NOT spend money against Dennis. No way. No day.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 05:49 PM
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21. Kucinich has been in the primaries for months since his chances of
winning declined from .5% to 0%, and his remaining in the primaries clearly is not helping Bush or hurting Kerry.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 06:21 PM
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22. It's not happening
As I posted above, I live here, it's not happening. Not one single inkling of anything like this. Not from my local Dem Club, not from any of my email lists, not from anybody I've spoken to; nothing, nada, zilch. NOT happening.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 05:47 PM
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20. This post smells like BS.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:57 PM
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23. Why would Kerry waste $2 million against Kucinich?
Kucinich is no threat to him. He has the delegates neccesary to secure the nomination, Kucinich could win every delegate from now on and Kerry would still be the nominee. More mindless anti-Kerry propaganda.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 03:47 AM
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24. 2 million TELEPHONE CALLS
not 2 million dollars! Sheesh!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 09:09 AM
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25. 2 million phonecalls is ALOT of money.
Money and money to workers to make those calls.

This rumor being spread is FALSE.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 12:01 PM
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26. why do you believe this?
you know that some stuff on the Internet isn't true, right?

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