is Evan Bayh trying out for vp ?

[JI7]

i have been seeing him on tv a lot lately and he is better than usual. he hasn't been one of those mentioned so far as having a meeting with kerry or any of his people on the vp issue but maybe he is hoping some will take notice. there were a few bayh supporters who claimed kerry could win indiana with bayh on the ticket but i found that hard to believe and none provided actual sources but i would be interested in some more polls.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

1. Don't think he's even on the short list and glad he isn't

Hell I am a Democrat through and through and I respect Lugar more than him.

[Finch]

14. Lugar's ACU rating 79, Bayh's 22... well your decision...

[Quetzal]

2. Screw Bayh

I saw him on Charlie Rose last night.

Voted for the Late-Term abortion ban, Libermanesque on the Iraq War, and a fundamentalist free-trader, voted for the Senate bill to block civil lawsuits against Gun Companies. No way would I want him to occupy the White House in case something happens to Kerry.

[Finch]

3. I like Bayh...

...I realise many liberal dems don’t but there ya go, I’m a moderate populist…

I disagree with him on trade mostly but apart from that I agree with him a great deal. He’s one of the most decent, cordial and principled people in the senate imho and while he isn’t electrifying (his major problem as far as being VP goes) he has a articulate, conversational style that many voters might react well to…

He has been interviewed by Johnson at least once as far as the press has reported. He was interviewed twice by Warren Christopher back in 2000 and was a major possibility for Gore in 2000…

The Problem is, he probably won’t give Kerry Indiana, he wont necessarily help in the Ohio and he could be too dull…

Personally I think his dullness is the real problem, his views would help Kerry tremendously and he looks the part (much as Edwards does) but he just doesn’t have the charisma and ability to articulate his message in an enlivened and inspiring way like Edwards does…
I realise many liberal dems don’t but there ya go, I’m a moderate populist…

I disagree with him on trade mostly but apart from that I agree with him a great deal. He’s one of the most decent, cordial and principled people in the senate imho and while he isn’t electrifying (his major problem as far as being VP goes) he has a articulate, conversational style that many voters might react well to…

He has been interviewed by Johnson at least once as far as the press has reported. He was interviewed twice by Warren Christopher back in 2000 and was a major possibility for Gore in 2000…

The Problem is, he probably won’t give Kerry Indiana, he wont necessarily help in the Ohio and he could be too dull…

Personally I think his dullness is the real problem, his views would help Kerry tremendously and he looks the part (much as Edwards does) but he just doesn’t have the charisma and ability to articulate his message in an enlivened and inspiring way like Edwards does…

[Thrill]

4. How can Bayh criticize Chimpy?

He agrees with everything he proposes. Tax Cuts, War, Partial Birth Abortion, etc. He would upset the Dem base being the pick. His Womens Rights record is extremely upsetting

[Finch]

5. He disagreed over Health and Education…

I agree with his stance on abortion; however I recognise that some democrats do not, but banning partial birth abortions imho was the right thing to do. Calling the issue “women’s rights” is an interesting thing to do? But Bayh has never been deceitful about his views, he does not agree with the idea of abortion except in exceptions circumstances (health of the mother, rape and incest) but he has said that a woman should have the right to decide within the first trimester even though he would urge someone not to have an abortion and I agree generally with that…

[Thrill]

10. He has voted with Chimpy

80% of the time

[Finch]

12. Not So!

Prove it!

•Voted YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
•Voted NO on increasing penalties for drug offenses. (Nov 1999)
•Voted YES on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors. (May 2001)
•Voted YES on funding student testing instead of private tutors. (May 2001)
•Voted YES on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction. (Apr 2001)
•Voted NO on Educational Savings Accounts. (Mar 2000)
•Voted YES on declaring that memorial prayers and religious symbols at sch. (May 1999)
•Firmly opposed to Bush’s voucher proposal. (Jan 2001)
•Three R’s: $35B for Reinvestment,Reinvention,Responsibility. (Jan 2001)
•Voted YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 2003)
•Voted NO on defunding renewable and solar energy. (Jun 1999)
•Voted NO on confirming Gale Norton as Secretary of Interior. (Jan 2001)
•Government cannot substitute for families. (Jan 1998)
•Voted YES on restricting violent videos to minors. (May 1999)
•Give parents tools to balance work and family. (Aug 2000)
•Voted YES on enlarging NATO to include Eastern Europe. (May 2002)
•Voted YES on extending free trade to Andean nations. (May 2002)
•Voted YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam. (Oct 2001)
•Build a rule-based global trading system. (Aug 2000)
•Free & fair trade is key to economic growth . (Jan 2001)
•Voted YES on banning "soft money" contributions and restricting issue ads. (Mar 2002)
•Voted NO on require photo ID (not just signature) for voter registration. (Feb 2002)
•Voted YES on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
•Voted NO on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
•Prevent unauthorized firearm use with "smart gun" technology. (Aug 2000)
•Voted YES on allowing importation of Rx drugs from Canada. (Jul 2002)
•Voted YES on allowing patients to sue HMOs & collect punitive damages. (Jun 2001)
•Voted NO on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Apr 2001)
•Voted YES on including prescription drugs under Medicare. (Jun 2000)
•Voted YES on adopting the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. (Oct 1999)
•Voted YES on allowing another round of military base closures. (May 1999)
•Voted YES on cutting nuclear weapons below START levels. (May 1999)
•Voted YES on military pay raise of 4.8%. (Feb 1999)
•Voted NO on repealing Clinton's ergonomic rules on repetitive stress. (Mar 2001)
•Voted NO on killing an increase in the minimum wage. (Nov 1999)
•Voted NO on using the Social Security Surplus to fund tax reductions. (Jul 1999)
•Voted NO on Social Security Lockbox & limiting national debt. (Apr 1999)
•Create Retirement Savings Accounts. (Aug 2000)
•Voted NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years. (May 2003)
•Voted NO on cutting taxes by $1.35 trillion over 11 years. (May 2001)
•Voted YES on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates. (May 2001)
•Voted YES on increasing tax deductions for college tuition. (May 2001)
•Voted NO on across-the-board spending cut. (Oct 1999)
•Voted NO on $792B tax cuts. (Jul 1999)
•Supports welfare-to-work & block grants. (Jan 1998)
•Finish welfare reform by moving able recipients into jobs. (Aug 2000)

Hum…doesn’t seem like the record of a man who gets a UAC rating of 22 while Indiana’s Republican Senator Richard Lugar gets 79! And John Breaux gets 46 (D-LA), Mary Landrieu (D-LA) 15, Olympia Snowe 56 (R-ME), Arlen Spectre 43 (R-PA), Russ Feingold 12 (D-WI), Blanche Lincoln 22 (D-AR) and its goes on

So how ridicules is it to say that Bayh votes with the GOP 80% of the time!

You may dislike a politician but your accusations should have figures and evidence to back them up… sorry to quibble but it seems pretty obvious to me!

[dolstein]

6. No. He's running for reelection.

He'll have his shot at the presidency in 2008 (if Kerry loses) or 2012.

[Finch]

7. Proably...

...only Bayh can hold IN, and he's dame near unbeatable there anyway... it could be a big mistake to pick him simply because the GOP might well take the seat, that said there are a number of moderate Dems with a strong following in the state who could win...



Its a shame because he's done a great deal of good, sure he's a moderate... but look at how well he did in Indiana when he was Governor and I've been really impressed by how principled his stands and cordial his tone has always been within the senate.

[BurnInHellFoxNews]

8. However....

Though Bayh may be a midwestern version of Joe Liberman, he is really hot.

This can't be discounted when thinking about the ever-important soccer mom vote.

And the also-important closeted NASCAR dad vote.

[JI7]

9. Kerry did well among women voters, he needs help with male voters

kerry did very well among women voters and it's one reason he won in some of the southern states. where he needs help is male voters.

[AntiCoup2K4]

11. Bayh will only run for VP

..if Cheney drops off Junior's ticket for "health reasons"

[Finch]

13. Make a sensible comment...

...or don't comment at all... see my thread on Byah it you want to know the truth about his record...

Its not that I'm beating up on ya, its just i think you have been missinformed... so please check out the thread to see his voting record and his rating by the conservative ACU when compared with other democrats and republicans in the senate...