In about 10 years, I'm going to feel sorry for Barack Obama.

[DemVet]

Face it, whether he becomes President or remains in the Senate, Barack Obama will be insulted, mistreated, and harassed just as Bill and Hillary Clinton are today. Ten years ago, the Clinton's were the darlings of the Democratic Party, and indeed the nation.

Now, they are persona non grata. Yesterday's news...all because something new and bright and shiny came along.

Barack Obama...family man, husband, statesman....are you sure you wish to put you and your family through this?

[GodlessBiker]

1. Is it because something new came along, or how Bill treated that new thing?

You suggest that Bill's image has been tarnished through no fault of his own.

[DemVet]

5. Hmmm......how WHO treated this new thing?

Sorry, your post is a little vague on who you mean.

[GodlessBiker]

12. Oh, okay. I made it more specific.

[DemVet]

16. Thanks. n/t

[DemVet]

21. No.

Hey, the man is not perfect. No one is.

However, if Barack Obama does get the Democratic Nomination, if does get elected in the GE (which, as a Hillary supporter, I certainly hope he does if he does get the Nomination) and he does make mistakes in his Presidency...will we later on treat him just as the Clintons are being treated today? I certainly hope not.

[40ozDonkey]

52. If he kneecaps the DNC to get Michelle a shot at 2024, he'd deserve it.

The party and it's platforms will always be more important than one person or family.

Right?

[BeyondGeography]

2. In ten years, he still gets to be Barack Obama

Sure, he'll be beaten up, but did it ever occur to you that he just might be a happier, better adjusted person than either Bill or Hill?

[aquarius dawning]

3. I won't. he will have earned every bit of it.

[SoFlaJet]

4. Oh give me a fucking break will you please

not THIS shit again this morning-a few days ago my fellow democrats the talking point was how "heartbroken" all the Clinton people were going to be after Obama loses the election (read as: unelectable) once again they think we democrats are fucking idiots who can't see through their bullshit. Notice I don't even say OBAMA, I now have been saying DEMOCRATS-which the Clinton's are no longer acting like

[DemVet]

8. You seem bitter to me.

Usually it's from one who can't deal with realities or the truth.

[SoFlaJet]

14. yea I know

like the reality and truth that "your Girl" is about to be sent packing back to the senate without the crown she so desperately sought

[DemVet]

29. Hey, if that's

what the delegates decide, I will be satisfied with that decision. That's democracy.

However, just don't be surprised if Hillary kicks Harry Reid's ass to the curb for Senate Majority Leader. She'll be the one with the real power then. She'll be the one to sign off on any new legislation AND court appoinments. Hillary may actually be better off NOT getting the nomination.

[SoFlaJet]

33. after this race is over

the progressive wing of this party is going to be working HARD to find a REAL democrat to take her senate seat in 2012

[DemVet]

51. Sorry, but...

...the more moderates of this party greatly outnumber you far-left "progressives" by a great margin. The average Democrat on the street echoes this sentiment.

[DemVet]

30. Hey, if that's

what the delegates decide, I will be satisfied with that decision. That's democracy.

However, just don't be surprised if Hillary kicks Harry Reid's ass to the curb for Senate Majority Leader. She'll be the one with the real power then. She'll be the one to sign off on any new legislation AND court appoinments. Hillary may actually be better off NOT getting the nomination.

[VolcanoJen]

46. Interesting quote from Maureen Dowd's piece today...

... your post reminded me of it. :-)

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/opinion/26dowd.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

One Hillary pal said she wouldn’t want to go back to a Senate full of lawmakers who’d abandoned her for Obama. And even if she could get to be majority leader, would it be much fun working with Nancy Pelosi, whose distaste for the Clintons has led her to subtly maneuver for Obama?

Interesting, n'est pas? :-)

[Royal Oak Rog]

20. That's hilarious your orig. post drips with biterness

The Clintons are republicans, they goverened that way and now they're running that way, dirty tricks and all...you're a comedian, you should do stand up.

[rucky]

6. Any Democratic president would.

Civility is gone in America, and we have Cable news & RW radio to thank.

[DemVet]

11. Agreed. The MSM is playing...

... both the negative Clinton AND Obama stories like a fine violin. All in the name of ratings and $$$$$$.

[Submariner]

7. Obama is not a sleaze like Bill and hasn't pumped out repeated

flagrant lies about like the 4 repeated lies about being shot at and running for cover.

No comparison whatsoever.

[Red Zelda]

9. After the last 10 years, I feel sorry for my liver

[SoFlaJet]

36. livers are evil Zelda

and NEED to be punished

[Zueda]

10. As long as he tells no bald faced lies and keeps...

his tally whacker out of interns he'll be okay.

[DemVet]

13. But that's unlikely. n/t

[theboss]

15. Right....Because we simply despise Ted Kennedy today

And we're completely embarrassed by Robert Byrd.

And we've kicked John Kerry to the curb.

And Al Gore has never had a worse public profile.

And we never reward Jimmy Carter with anything.

All in all, we treat "Democratic icons" pretty well. Bill and Hillary have seen their reputations sullied because they have sullied their reputations.

[DemVet]

24. Actually....

There are certain segments of the populace that votes Democrat that despise some of the people you listed. What we do is go make them "stand in the corner."

[theboss]

32. So, there should be universal love for all Dems? If that's what you want, you are nuts

The Dems I listed are all - by and large - respected and admired by the majority of Dems in this country. The only way to gain universal acceptance is to be dead (this is why we cry when we talk about RFK without mentioning any of his faults).

Bill Clinton was in that larger group until he started behaving like a jackass while trying to pull his wife's candidacy across the finish line.

[October]

35. Was that supposed to be sarcastic?

Because those statements you listed are true.

Dems gleefully throw their own under the bus all the time.

I've seen uber-negative threads here at DU on Kerry, Gore, Carter, etc.

[theboss]

42. And DU represents who exactly?

Yet another person who mistakes this site for something even remotely resembling reality.

[sofa king]

17. What universe were you in ten years ago?

Ten years ago we were all like Lady MacBeth trying to wash the spooge out of our blue dresses.

[Independent-Voter]

18. Sorry, but Bill earned much of this by not keeping his pants up, then perjurying himself/

I don't give a shit about his infidelity, but that dumbass should have pleaded the 5th. Wagging his finger proclaiming "I did not have sex with that woman!", and parsing and dodging the the definition of "is" are just par for the course for the Clintons. Fucking an intern close to your own daughter's age isn't exactly the way to endear yourself to many folks.

I voted for him twice, but sure as hell wouldn't today. HRC is the same, exact, pathological liar that Bill is.

[DemzRock]

31. LOL! Another person who doesn't know ALL pols are liars. n/t

[DemzRock]

19. You are soooo right!

Even if he's a two term president.

There will be a bunch of newbies insulting him, calling him names, denegrating his successes, repeating RW talking points.

Heed this warning, Obama newbies, in 10 years Obama will be hated, even if he was a great President. A bunch of inexperienced or idealist neophytes will be tearing Obama down and saying Candidate X is a saint, even though Candidate X will be an imperfect flawed person, in other words, human. The neophytes will worship and say Candidate X is the candidate of hope and Obama and his family are old news and a jerk.

What comes around. Goes around.

[SoFlaJet]

38. we all-EVERY ONE OF US HERE

defended the Clinton's vociferously for the past 15 years Glen-when did YOU arrive here at DU?

[DemzRock]

43. me?

I've been debating politics since about 1995. I am new as a poster on DU but I've been WAY around. I discovered DU because of the Top Ten Con Idiots.

[Barack_America]

22. By "bright and shiny" don't you mean "principled"?

The Clintons are being cast-aside because they are (once again) showing themselves to be divisive forces willing to jeopardize the Democratic majority in Congress for their own personal gain.

If Barack pulls a 180 and turns into a Clinton-esque politician, I won't even feel pity for him when he is passed over.

[DemVet]

34. Principled? He doesn't have enough time in service to be "pricipled."

He's still wet behind the ears.

[Barack_America]

Lol. Doesn't it usually go the other way?

The more "time in service" you have, the less "principled" you become?

[VolcanoJen]

47. Exactly.

It's become increasingly clear to anyone even casually watching politics that the Clintons and their loyalists represent The Clinton Party, and little else.

[MadBadger]

23. Are you sure you and DemGA are not the same person?

[NastyRiffraff]

25. It won't take 10 years.

I give it six months, if he gains the White House. First to hurl shitwads will be some of his most avid supporters, who have raised an impossibly high bar for him, practically deifying him. No one can live up to that. Of course, the Right Wing Noise Machine will be cackling, letting the ex (?) supporters do their work for them.

Next comes the media, who will predictably attack an Democratic president, simply because he IS a Democrat.

In any case, his halo will be well-tarnished after approximately six months in office.

[October]

41. It does seem he has nowhere to go but down...

He has been exalted thus far.

I keep reminding myself of how I never thought the swiftboaters could tarnish Kerry's reputation. Wow, was I wrong. Remember those hideous faces behind the purple band-aids?

It just seems the republicans know how to make anything Democratic ugly -- and at times our candidates have handed them plenty of ammunition.

I still hope it doesn't happen, but admit to cringing.

[NJObamaWoman]

26. Wrong. If BO becomes president, in ten years he will be applauded everywhere he goes.

he will be the most respected living president. He being the first part minority president and his speech will be studied in history classes just like Lincoln and the gettsyburg address. But keep feeling sorry for obama's because you'll be one in few. Even if he doesn't become president he will be supported through the black community cuz we support our own because we know others won't support us.

[BigDDem]

27. I won't feel sorry for him

his "chickens will have come hooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmeeee ta roost"

[monmouth]

28. Ten years from now President Barack Obama will be a global

household word. The problem will be who can we get to replace him when his term(s) are up after his wonderful presidency. I anticipate/project he will be a tough act to follow.

[SoCalDem]

37. I don't think so.

Think back... The Clinton admin was a FRENZY.. Many ideas..many plans, and a scattered approach.

I see Obama as a more "zen" kind of a guy. BC was a great speechmaker, but not all that persuasive.

Obama seems to have the ability to convince people to think. Clinton's approach was more "I know what to do and I'm gonna do it FOR you".. That's almost always doomed to fail.

I see Obama as a more methodical kind of person.. He also does not seem reckless and stubborn.

[Catherina]

39. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the Admin for the hide thread feature n/t

[EFerrari]

40. He is being insulted, mistreated and harassed alreadly.

That's public life.

[JKaiser]

44. It's strange how people too quickly forget how wonderful the Clintons are..

It's a real shame for our party..

[julialnyc]

45. Look back through history.... most presidents who leave with high favorability

Remained loved and respected............ this is something new (and they have themselves to thank for it)

[DemzRock]

48. No, they have the RW corporate media to thank for it. Oh, and the people in their own

party who decided to believe the propaganda and irrational hatred over their phenomenal success.

[SammyWinstonJack]

49. I won't. He should have finished out his Senate term like he promised he would instead of letting

his huge ego get the better of him. He brought this on himself.

[Blue_Roses]

50. Dumbest. Post. Today.

so far...and it's looking to be one of those days. :eyes: