Joining the Conspiracy

[babylonsister]

Comments at the link are interesting, too...

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/03/26/joining-the-conspiracy.aspx

Joining the Conspiracy

Anyone reading this blog is presumably aware that, over the past several weeks, Hillary Clinton has gone out of her way to repeatedly compliment John McCain at Barack Obama's expense.

But consider a few other data points:

1) Matt Drudge hyped a photo of Obama in Somali garb that he claimed (and the Clinton campaign declined to deny) Clinton staffers had been circulating.

2) Bill Clinton went on the Rush Limbaugh show on the day of the Texas primary--after Limbaugh had spent days urging GOP voters in the state to cross over and vote for Clinton in order "rig" the election and ensure that Democrats nominated the weaker of their two candidates.

3) The Clinton campaign has been circulating an article in The American Spectator alleging that an Obama adviser, former Air Force chief Merrill McPeak, is an anti-semite and a drunk.

4) When Clinton attacked Obama on Jeremiah Wright yesterday, she did it at an editorial meeting of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, the vanity publication of Richard Mellon Scaife, while sitting next to Scaife himself.

Drudge. Limbaugh. The American Spectator. Richard Mellon Scaife. What exactly is it going to take before Clinton campaign staffers recognize that they are, in essence, now working for the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy?

--Christopher Orr

[helderheid]

1. K&R

[futureliveshere]

2. The powers that be in staff realize and want to profit from it. K & R..n/t

[bigtree]

3. these are bullshit charges

. . . and yet another boring, biased article which doesn't bother to prove it's lurid charges. A good example for what passes as truth from the Obama camp.

[olkaz]

9. Just curious

Which one of those things didn't happen?

The author takes a few factually verifiable events, and makes a conclusion based on them.

"A good example for what passes as truth from the Obama camp."

Disprove the premise, and you disprove the conclusion. Get started on showing how those facts are not facts, and you win.

[Drachasor]

22. #3 isn't accurate -- Edit I meant #2

Clinton was on another show, and his interview was aired during the Limbaugh time-slot.

[babylonsister]

25. Read this:

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/obama_and_the_jews.php

[Drachasor]

27. I meant #2

My mistake would have been clear if you read the content of my post, btw.

[babylonsister]

30. OK. See response #28. nt

[Drachasor]

35. That guest host has his own show, Bill was on that

Then the interviewed was re-aired.
http://www.wbap.com/Article.asp?id=606119&spid=6051

Notice the time when the interview was done (last update). It was well before Limbaugh's show.

[babylonsister]

36. Spin it any way you want, but it was Rush's show and Mark Davis

was sitting in for him.

[Drachasor]

38. I'm not spinning it. Clinton never agreed to go on Limbaugh

I've been a consistent Obama supporter on these boards, and I despise the tactics Hillary and her campaign have used. That said, I don't think this point is a fair bit of criticism.

[dchill]

10. Everything in the OP has already...

been on the news, repeatedly. Are "lurid charges" always false? Don't think so. BTW, the article isn't from "the Obama camp," and you know it. Quit sniping.

[bigtree]

16. quit the bullshit attacks and I'll quit defending my candidate

[babylonsister]

19. No defense for your original 'lurid' assertion, seems like. Be my

guest, defend your candidate, but this is indefensible, as you just proved.

[bigtree]

32. My opinion doesn't have to be justified to you. It stands. Deal with it.

[scheming daemons]

39. Translation: "I won't let the facts get in the way of my opinions"....

...

[dchill]

21. I fail to see any bullshit attacks in my post...

Quit sniping.

[housewolf]

31. She wasn't referring to your post but to the other one

BablyonSister can speak for herself, but if you look at the "reply to post #", her reply was to someone else's post.

[dchill]

33. OK.

But as you can see, I was responding to bigtree.

[Abacus]

15. Huh?!

1,2,& 4 have been discussed extensively with photographic evidence and comments from the Clinton campaign. I was not aware of 3) until just now. If you follow the link, you'll see that the blog is sourced.

[bigtree]

18. bullshit. The spin is incredible here. These are NOT proven. Not as expressed.

This is just another biased attack on Clinton from an Obama supporter. Posted here as yet another factless attack by an Obama supporter. I think the article is bullshit. Deal with it.

[dchill]

24. "factless"...

"We came in under sniper fire..."

Now THAT'S factless.

[housewolf]

29. Okay, I'm curious... if the 4 points are inaccurate "AS EXPRESSED" as you say

how would you express each of them in a way that you would consider to be accurate?

[bigtree]

34. just wallow in it. I won't waste my time explaining ANYTHING to folks posting these lurid attacks

[scheming daemons]

40. Translation: "I can't refute the charges."

[bigtree]

43. Translation: I'm not wasting my time.

deal with it.

[housewolf]

42. I wasn't asking for them

I wasn't involved in posting "lurid" attacks. I'm sincerely interested in how you view those 4 points and how, to you, they could be expressed "accurately".

But hey... if you'd rather not or can't say... it's your prerogative.

[Abacus]

44. "I think the article is bullshit. Deal with it."

I feel increasingly the same way about your posts. It's rather sad that you can feel as strongly as you do and not offer one piece of information to support it. Why do you bother responding? Has your ego grown so that you think that we just want to know that you disagree?

[dchill]

4. But "Obama Is The Antichrist!"...

Or so I'm told...

[LakeSamish706]

5. I think a number of DU'ers have been wondering out loud lately if the Clinton's...

are really Republicans and not Democrats at all. I think we have been hood winked by these people for a very long time now.

[Indenturedebtor]

8. But Nafta was meant for the workers right?

Well even if you disagree about Nafta, surely you can agree that going after the "welfare queens" is good for Murika? :sarcasm:

They are DLC Oligarchists.

[blm]

14. Once you realize that Whitewater was a dog and pony show used to get INTO Rosw Law Firm and scrub

the files clean for Jackson Stephens, the firm's largest client, the longtime friend of GHWBush who helped him bring BCCI into this country, and the same man who bankrolled the Clintons' careers and underwrote Bill's primary campaign, it stops being a mystery.

Gee - would Clintons take the heat and protect BushInc and its players in exchange for the WH?

[uponit7771]

6. K&R, at this point I don't put it past them...the enemy of my enemy is my friend

[NYCGirl]

7. K&R. I was just going to post this one myself, babylonsister. Thank you.

It really is an eye-opener!

[Tom Rinaldo]

11. The photo Drudge published

was published weeks earlier in a right wing national newspaper, and it was discussed in hundreds of posts at Free Republic days before Drudge published it, with some posters there writing "we have to get this to Rush Hannity and Drudge". Clinton said she had no knowledge of staffers passing on that photo, but Drudge never even claimed it was given to him by Clinton staff. All he claimed is that it was "obtained" from an email some Clinton staffers shared between each other. "Obtained" frequently means unauthorized possession, as in stolen in some way. That email was reported as private speculation about if that photo would cause Obama damage, which is what hundreds of Free Republic users had been openly speculating about in public. It was a duel Drudge hit against both Clinton and Obama to release it the way he did, because he knew Obama supporters would go ape shit about any Clinton connection and as a result that photo would get picked up and carried everywhere in light of the new political controversy everyone started to talk about.

[KittyWampus]

23. Point being- she's on record as using Drudge. So even if THAT case wasn't accurate, she HAS

engaged in that behavior- using Drudge.

[islandmkl]

12. if any Clinton supporters don't know the deep significance of this:

"..she did it at an editorial meeting of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, the vanity publication of Richard Mellon Scaife, while sitting next to Scaife himself."

then they are following someone, buying into someone, that they no very little about...historical facts versus assumptions....

see what the P T-R's editorial view of Bill and Hillary was in the '90s....

the 'vast right wing conspiracy' that Hillary espoused as being the root cause of all of the Clinton White House problems....DID EXIST....

and Richard Mellon Scaife was one of the leaders of it, financially and directly..

the Clinton campaign is so desperate...to lie with those who tried to destroy them in the '90s.....

Hillary has no truth, and now she has no shame...

...just blind ambition

[bigtree]

20. The Obama camp has no shame in their desperate attacks.

[scheming daemons]

41. Translation: "I have no answer as to why Hillary would agree to talk to Scaife".

[ms liberty]

13. Somehow I missed #4. Interesting. n/t

[ElsewheresDaughter]

17. you took the dive......

and it's time to flush

[gateley]

26. Bill Clinton appeared on Rush Limbaugh?

Wow. What was their explanation for that?

Are they hoping to appeal to Republican voters, or are they pushing for a McCain victory so Hillary can run again in 2012?

Either way, how do I look? :tinfoilhat:

[babylonsister]

28. Yes, the day of the TX/OH primaries. Here's a link:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/wtf-bill-clinton-on-rush-limba.php

[gateley]

37. Thanks! Boy, this should be interesting... nt

[MonkeyFunk]

48. No he didn't

Babylonsister is repeating a proven lie.

[gateley]

49. And are you being a tad bit disingenuous, MF?

I'll give you Rush Limbaugh wasn't the interviewer, but it was the The Rush Limbaugh Show:


Bill Clinton on Rush Limbaugh Show Day of Texas PrimaryEIB Guest Host While Rush Is "Sick" 3/4/2008 Mark Davis of WBAP Dallas/Ft. Worth (from the link)

[MonkeyFunk]

51. It was an interview conducted

on ANOTHER show that morning.

It was replayed on the Rush limbaugh show.

[gateley]

52. Well from the snip I included,

it's easy to see why there might be a misunderstanding. Why didn't you clarify that instead of just calling her a liar?

I understand your point now, although I think it's splitting hairs.

[MonkeyFunk]

53. because she KNOWS the circumstances

and still tells this untruth. That's lying.

[gateley]

57. but...but...but...

If you'd just have clarified -- like you did for me, it would have been so much more helpful. And NICE.

[MonkeyFunk]

58. I understand what you're saying.

You're not aware that this was "clarified" over a week ago, and many times since then. There have been at least five threads on it where it was debunked, and the people who continue to spread this tale were active in those threads.

They know exactly what happened, and they persist in telling an untruth. They're liars. I don't know any better way to describe them.

[BumRushDaShow]

45. Don't forget with the Clinton campaign embraced and readily accepted a debate on Faux...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/05/clinton-accepts-fox-news-_n_85111.html

And remember when she wanted to have a debate every week until March 4 after Super Tuesday to get free advertising for her cash-starved campaign?

[Catherina]

46. Rec'd for Hillary's "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy" n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

47. Bill Clinton didn't go on Rush Limbaugh's show

and you knowingly spread that lie.

[gateley]

50. MF, look at my above post -- #49.

I don't understand why you're saying he didn't go on Rush Limbaugh's show. Is the snip I posted incorrect?

[DerekJ]

54. Speaking about fox..what did Hillary say on her interview tonight?!!

[ecstatic]

55. You've got to see it. I was in shock

even after her behavior these past few days. She took it to an entirely new level tonight. She blamed Obama for Michigan and Florida too. Said Obama is the only thing standing in the way of re-votes.

[DerekJ]

56. Did she bring up Wright again?!

[kevinmc]

59. Hillary's NEW Friends and what they did to the Clintons

Well, some of the things they did....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Vince_Foster

[L0oniX]

60. Kick

Google Hillary neocon