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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:02 PM
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Why I think Clinton is trying to help McCain win
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 05:04 PM by lynyrd_skynyrd
Hillary Clinton has been planning to run for president for quite some time. Everybody knew when she first ran for Senate that it was a prelude to a presidential run, and everybody knew back in 2004 that she was planning to run in 2008.

In order to do that, it was essential that John Kerry lose in 2004, because she needed 4 more years of Bush, 4 more years of troops dying in Iraq, 4 more years of damage so that her campaign would be a cakewalk, just like her Senate campaign.

That's why she didn't plan to go beyond super Tuesday. She did not anticipate Obama and expected an easy nomination followed by an easy general election win.

Here is the video of Hillary Clinton on John Kerry's "botched joke". (Remember that? Notice the contrast between her comments and John McCain's). This would not be the first time Hillary Clinton has betrayed a fellow Democrat for her own personal gain.

Hillary Clinton is also well aware of the mathematics. Despite my bias, I don't think Hillary Clinton is stupid. She knows she can't really win the nomination. The chances of the superdelegates overriding the pledged delegates are next to zero. Why in the world would she force this process all the way to the convention? What other reason than to destroy Obama enough so that she may run again in 2012 against John McCain?

Given her past history, one easily connects the dots to her recent history, in which she says McCain would be better qualified than Obama. Let's also not forget that Hillary Clinton has described John McCain as a close friend on more than one occasion. I just think her actions, past and present, speak for themselves.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:04 PM
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1. 1/4 of Hillary supporters prefer Right Winger McSame to Obama
Hillary = McCain = McSame
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:04 PM
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2. I've been saying it for months
I am not prepared to accuse her of wanting McCain to win or trying to help him, but I'd love to hear what John Kerry has to say (privately) about that.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:06 PM
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3. I agree, I think she wants to run against him in 2012 (she changed after losing WI)
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:06 PM
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4. Hillary McClinton is a really NASTY human being. nt
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:11 PM
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5. More paranoia
:eyes:
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:13 PM
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6. Hillary, McCain, the rest of the neocons...
...and all of the other corporate elitists who want no substantive change
in DC--are all on the same side. They all help each other out. Hillary
and McCain were supposed to be the nominees on each side--ensuring that
the warmongering, destruction of our democracy and the rest of the Fascist
agenda and continue its damage.

Obama is a newcomer. He hasn't been in the Senate that long--not long enough
to be bought, paid for and inextricably intertwined in the corruption. Obama
is not a sure thing for these neocon, corporatist hacks.

They'll all work together to ensure that no real change happens.

Don't listen to what they say. Watch what they do. Rush Limbaugh
is spearheading an effort to get Republicans to vote Hillary. Hillary
just had a big meeting with right-wing, neocon hack Richard Mellon Scaffe.
Hillary Clinton voted with the neocons on Iraq AND Iran. Again, ignore the
spin. Look at the behavior. Most of the neocon mouthpieces on hate radio--are
dead silent on all of Clinton's scandals. They're propping her up, because
they know that Obama means that all of their power and progress is in jeopardy.

Obama must be our nominee, no matter how much the corrupt, elite want otherwise.
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terrell9584 Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:16 PM
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7. Thats not entirely correct
If both Michigan and Florida did have a revote (unlikely now, but, a month can change anything), and she'd probably win both, and she strikes a bunch of wins in May, then it actually is possible for her to get a delegate lead.

However, when figuring out delegates, we need to make a distinction between caucuses and more traditional primaries, because by the very nature of who will show up to a caucus they do have an unfair bias towards one candidate.

Obama has a 66-33% lead in caucuses, and the two are running roughly dead even within primaries, and counting all states, Hillary has won more EV's, if you cut out caucus states, that EV lead increases

All of this said, couldn't it also be said that Richardson suddenly endorsed Obama because he may think that Obama might not be able to win, but if he is picked to try and shore up the Hispanic vote and Obama still loses, maybe Richardson figures it positions him well for 2012 too....see how hypothesizing goes.

I'll make this clear, this is Hillary's shot, it simply is. This year is it, it is the one shot. If she can't do it this year, someone else from her wing of the party will step up in 2012 (or 2016 if Obama wins, but that is highly unlikely with the racist doublespeak campaign the GOP will use)

This is it for her, this is no, strategic, helping McCain. This is her one shot and that is why they are going all out, the same way they did when they took back the Arkansas mansion in 1982.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:16 PM
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8. McCain will put the final nail in this
country's coffin. We cannot survive 4 more years of a Republican Administration.
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:19 PM
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9. When she kicked Kerry after he stumbled
was despicable. It sure was a sign of things to come.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:32 PM
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10. I predict our corporate controlled media will help Hillary "win" PA...
Or at least give us a reason why we'd believe a Hillary win.

There seems to be a pattern with our election coverage, "they" pick on Hillary when elections are days away, but find something to pick on Obama right before the election.
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