If Clinton Wins by Getting SDs to Flip With "Wright Controversy", What Will You Do?

[Bonobo]

Poll question: If Clinton Wins by Getting SDs to Flip With "Wright Controversy", What Will You Do?

So it has been confirmed that the Clinton camp's top people are speaking with Super Delegates about the "Wright Controversy". Naturally they are saying that they KNOW that Obama isn't a racist himslef, but they are "concerned" that the McCain people will bring it up in the GE and we will lose as a result of scared White people.

Now, if I were a cynic, I would suggest that the Clinton camp is actually selling the Wright story, building fear by playing the race card. But I know she wouldn't do that, right?

Anyway, the question is: If Clinton gets the nomination through this type of dirty trick, what will you do?

[billyoc]

1. I'd vote for Hillary. Super delegate influence is part of the Dem. party system.

If you don't like the system, work to change it.

[Bonobo]

2. Playing the race card is part of the system?

[terrell9584]

5. done all the time in politics by people of all races

and it both parties. It is unpleasant that it is used, but evidence seems to suggest that it usually works. Until it stops working it will continue to be a concern. Might not be the idea, but it is the present reality.

[Bonobo]

6. That doesn't make it part of the system and we don't have to accept it.

That is why god gave us free will. The Democratic Party would be destroyed if they did this thing.

[BigDDem]

7. I guess so, Team BO has done it often

[billyoc]

14. Yes, it is. If super delegates fall for that sort of thing, I just have to deal with it.

I don't think many of them are that stupid, but there may be a few. I wouldn't worry about it, though. :hi:

[Big Blue Marble]

36. You realize your anti-democratic rationalizations

sound very similar to the thinking of many Republican voters and others in 2000.

Remember: "get over it." Power trumps voters' intent. Do you realize that accepting
that within our party takes us farther down the road to completely overturning our democracy.

Or are you saying if the Republicans do it, it's wrong; If our party does it, it is OK?

[billyoc]

70. We all knew the rules and the details before this primary started,

no sense whining about them now, no matter who wins.

You can choose to equate that with the last minute surprise computer scam/Supreme Court betrayal of 2000 if you want, it makes no difference to me.

[MethuenProgressive]

45. Look at all those DUbamas quitting the party in your poll!

They'd have to be Democrats in the first place, though.

[Bonobo]

46. It is because they have integrity. A racist debaucle like that would destroy the party as it should.

[MethuenProgressive]

48. Oh, I forgot. "Vote for Barack or you're a Racist!" How's that's race card working for you?

How is that gonna work against McCain, if we make the mistake of nominating Barack?

[wileedog]

3. Or find one that doesn't involve a Clinton or the DLC

There will be a LOT of people looking if this happens.

[GodlessBiker]

4. Like politicians, I don't answer such hypothetical questions.

[C_U_L8R]

8. This is assuming that the Super-D's are idiots

They see exactly what kind of disreputable campaign the Clinton's are running
and that is further supported by the fact that on a state by state basis (which is
how our elections work Hillary fans) The Clintons are losing very badly.
Add on top of that the heavyhanded muscle tactics of The Clintons (i.e. 'you want
to be on the President's list, right?'), the Super Delegates are quickly reminded
how divisive and underhanded The Clinton's were during their 8 years in power.
No one in Washington, except for the Clinton "favorites", wants any part of that.
Not for 8 years, not for 4 years, not for 2 more months.

[Swamp Rat]

52. Unfortunately, from what I've seen in the past couple of decades, this is a distinct possibility.

:dunce:

[Upton]

9. Wouldn't quit the party, but I wouldn't vote for Hillary either

Hopefully the SD system will be changed in the future, it's undemocratic

[dysfunctional press]

12. same here.

nt.

[Arkansas Granny]

10. I'd vote for Hillary. The SD's are free to vote their conscience, just as I am.

If they believe Hillary to be the better candidate, they should vote for her. If they are influenced by the story about Reverend Wright they likely formed their opinion on their own and not due to anything said by either candidate.

[Tesha]

11. Won't change my opinion one bit.

I won't vote for Hillary under any circumstance.

Tesha

[goldcanyonaz]

26. Looks like the opposite is also true.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5349292&mesg_id=5349292

[Tesha]

30. Well, sucks for our side then. Maybe next time, they'll bring forward some good candidates.

But I doubt it; the really good ones never get the Prom King/
Prom Queen votes in the primaries.

Tesha

[IndyHatedByBothSides]

13. I don't believe in doing anything half-arsed

If we're gonna race-bait our way to the presidential nomination, we might as well go all the way and re-install the glass ceiling. Only white-haired white guys for president!

[Milo_Bloom]

15. Choice D

I wouldn't vote for Clinton and would stay in the party.

[rocktivity]

16. I hope Clinton is also telling the SDs

that she has a tie to Rev. Wright of her own.

:evilgrin:
rocknation

[jalynn]

17. ummm one picture

does not make up for 20 years of sitting in the pews listening to the hate sermons. Getting married by this man, having your children baptized by him.

[rocktivity]

20. One picture plus one "forgive me for the lewinsky scandal" prayer meeting

with 100 other pastors. The Clintons used Wright for political advantage then, she's using him for political now. I'm just following the rules.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Bonobo]

18. Like I thought, The Dem party would be cutting its own throat.

We need to write Pelosi our own letters methinks.

[Catherina]

19. Follow her lead. If the people's vote doesn't count, why give her mine? n/t

[Big Blue Marble]

38. Excellent point.

The only votes Hillary values are the ones she can claim by whatever means necessary to claw her
way to the presidency. She will never have my vote, period. I will not, could not endorse her tactics
or strategy to win by any means and at any cost.

[invictus]

21. I would not vote for Hillary, but I will stay in the Democratic Party to oppose the DLC and support

the progressive factions within the Democratic Party.

[LoZoccolo]

22. Your poll is disingenuous.

The third option tries to bind two things: thinking it's not a big deal and voting for Hillary. It is a big deal, but a McCain presidency would be a bigger deal, so I would act accordingly.

[Bonobo]

31. The party would be toast if this happened.

[GarbagemanLB]

23. I would vote third party and switch to Independent.

[redqueen]

24. Im in TX so I might just sit it out.

Safely red state and all.

[beachmom]

25. My answer is not there. It isn't "no big deal", but I would vote for her

and continue as I am.

[Maine-ah]

27. to all those that won't vote for HRC

have fun with McSame.

Though, I really want Obama to win, I can't bring my self to vote for a man who wants 100 more years of the same shit we have been fighting against for the past 8.

[wowimthere]

28. If the will of the voter is overturned no matter which candidate it is...

I will drop the Democratic party and label them nothing more than Republicans in DEM clothing.

[wowimthere]

29. trading apples for apples... If people think it's okay...

to overturn the will of the people then they've forgotten what democracy really is. Then it amounts to stealing. Whether McCain is the Republican you don't want or not, we still keep doing things the same. We will not have learned from 2000 when Bush and the Supreme court stole the election. This cycle has to stop.

[backscatter712]

32. I'll vote for Obama whether his name is on the ballot or not.

If that means writing him in, so be it.

[Bonobo]

33. Good point.

[Zachstar]

35. Which is a good chance I will also do. Even tho I may consider writing in another candidate.

I know the horror McCain will cause if he becomes the president. Yet maybe if 8 years of this horror from Bush was not enough to erase long held discriminatory and uneducated views. Maybe another 4 is needed if somehow the democratic party allows this crap to happen.

It is my moral responsibility to not give Clinton my vote. I will not hold my nose and give this country another 4 years of continued Bush/Clinton legacy.

[azmouse]

34. Hold my nose, Vote for the Democratic nominee.

I won't use her name if this is the way she gets the nom.
Actively work to keep her from getting re-elected in 2012 in favor of another Dem candidate.

[genie_weenie]

37. My vote (and probably yours too) doesn't matter.

I live in Illinois, whomever the Democratic nominee is they will carry IL. If Hillary is the nom, I will not vote for her, I'll write in Dennis Kucinich or even Ron Paul.

[lumberjack_jeff]

39. I'd vote for the Democrat, but I appear to be in the minority.

Explain to us again how defeatism is inappropriate.

The winner will use the current system to their advantage. Don't like the rules? Change 'em.

[shaniqua6392]

40. Superdelegate influence is part of the system.

If we do not like the system, we should fight to change it and determine the winner through popular vote only and have the primary dates a little closer together. Problem solved. If she wins over SD's, then she has actually won fair and square according to the rules. Why don't the Dems out there try to do something to get this crappy system changed. Maybe if she wins and enough people get pissed off, changes will be made.

[RamboLiberal]

41. You don't have enough selections

I wouldn't vote for her but I wouldn't quit the Democratic party either. Screw any of you who think just cause someone wouldn't vote for her they still couldn't remain in the party!

[sudopod]

42. What Will You Do?

A barrel roll.

[MethuenProgressive]

43. I'll celebrate Hillary/Clark's defeat of McCain/Obama in November!

And as in all Push Polls, I voted to mess with it as best I could.

[bunkerbuster1]

44. I said "no big deal," but frankly, that's a stupid question.

If by some outside chance Hillary were actually capable of turning SDs on something as horseshit as Rev. Wright, then there's a whole lot more wrong with our system than I'm aware of.

And she's not going to be able to do that, so stop being so bleedin' paranoid.

[IndependentDem]

47. we MUST ALL vote for the democrat on the ticket. period! n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

49. Absolutely agree.

I'd never act like the Obama supporters voting in this poll!

[IndependentDem]

58. i just don't understand how anyone...

could put their personal feelings above what is best for the country. i feel strongly that any dem that doesn't vote for the dem nominee is essentially voting for McCain-- how any democrat could do that is beyond me. not now, not this time.

[SammyWinstonJack]

50. No intentions of ever quiting the Democratic Party. I will vote for the nominee, who ever it is.

After kicking the best candidates to the curb, I really don't care which of these two left standing gets the nomination. I don't like or trust either of them.

[Swamp Rat]

51. Vote for Hillary, stay in the party, then move to impeach her if she does not pull out of Iraq

IMMEDIATELY!!!!!! :grr:

[Bad Thoughts]

53. All about the racial dynamic

I've quite consistently said I would not object if SDs went with Clinton, but because Wright controversy would but the nomination in a context fundamentally opposite to the spirit of the party.

[book_worm]

54. super delegates are still endorsing Obama despite Wright. I don't see any endorsing Hillary.

It's not going to work. Hillary has her own problems and higher negatives than Obama has.

[quakerboy]

55. I do not know what

I will do. There is too much time between now and then for things to change.

[LSK]

56. to the 70 "I quit" voters: where are you going?

:shrug:

[SammyWinstonJack]

59. To cry in their

:beer:

[Araxen]

60. It starts with an R

[Bonobo]

65. Start a real Progressive party. Thanks to Obama, now I know the people are there.

You see, REAL movements don't just dissappear. Obama is a leader, but only a leader. Now that he has broke this new ground, others will follow.

The "BUBBLE" of the Media foisting pure BS onto the American people is about to be undone with what? Plain old common sense.

[totodeinhere]

57. I would weep for the party that I love because that would probably mean the end of the Dem party.

[democrattotheend]

61. I don't think it's "no big deal", but I would still vote for her and wouldn't leave the party

But you might want to change the wording of that option.

[thoughtcrime1984]

62. Stakes are too high to vote McCain, would be pissed beyond belief, though

[carlotta]

63. How is this any different....

from what Camp Obama is doing? They have Jesse Jackson out there twisting arms of black superdelegates--asking them if they want to be responsible for keeping the first black man out of the White House and threatening them by saying that if they don't go for Obama they will find themselves with a new opponent in their own campaigns for re-election.

[Lisa0825]

64. I would continue to vote as a Democrat, but I would no longer be involved in the party

and I would no longer donate.

[Bucky]

66. It is a big deal, but I'm not a chickenshit quitter.

[ToeBot]

67. I don't care how she gets the nomination, if the Dem's nominate another DLC candidate - I'm done! nt

[chemenger]

68. HRC is so obviously dishonest ... She would do ANYTHING to win

the nomination. I refuse to vote for her ... PERIOD!

[MyNameGoesHere]

69. is this for real?

So many people would quit the party? Are the quitters supporters of the leader of unity and changing the way Washington works?

[mmonk]

71. The 2nd choice.

[jconner27]

72. If you do that

If Obama supporters do what they voted to do then I say you can't complain about whatever President McCain does in his first term. The message board should be shut down or at least half the members should still have access because half its members decided to go Nazi or being punks about it stayed home. Since I believe in the old phase don't get mad, get even I would suggest send money to the Republican party in Illinois if Obama supporters want to give the Republicans the White House, I want to give them a senate seat from that state.