Gore's backing revved rivals, Dean says

[Radical Activist]

Gore's backing revved rivals, Dean says

June 13, 2004

BY CHRISTOPHER GRAFF

SOUTH BURLINGTON, Vt. -- In Howard Dean's assessment of his White House campaign, the beginning of the end came with the endorsement from former Vice President Al Gore.

Dean believes the nod from the man who lost -- some contend was robbed of -- the 2000 election was so potent it galvanized his rivals.

''Everyone figured, including Bill Clinton, that we were going to win the whole thing when that happened,'' Dean recalled in an interview with the Associated Press. ''They figured that was it. The other five guys started having meetings about how to take us down after that happened.''

''I will take all the blame,'' he said

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-dean13.html

.......

Or gee Howard, maybe it was that Iowa voters figured out what an ill-tempered fake you are once they got to know you better than voters in other states.
:eyes:

[wryter2000]

1. I don't know what Howard Dean you're talking about

But the one who was running for President saved this country by turning the other Democrats back into Democrats.

[CTLawGuy]

40. you know

I bet some people even hate Mother Teresa....

That goes to show wryter, that not everyone can be reasoned with.

[LittleApple81]

2. I was not a Deaniac, but I admire him now more than ever. He

is a straight-forward person with few contacts in that swamp that is Washington D.C. Oooooh.... I see... that is why he didn't get nominated.

[lovedems]

3. I am so sick of the bad rap Gore continues to receive!

I like Dean and I appreciate like hell his causes but damn, does he have to engage in dissing Gore?

[kiahzero]

6. To be fair, he's not blaming Gore

He's saying that the endorsement rallied his opponents, which was all that needed to happen for him to lose.

I'm not sure if I agree with that assessment, but that's what he appears to have said.

[Radical Activist]

7. That's what I thought

Maybe the reporter spun Dean's comments a little, but why the hell does he have to blame Gore's endorsement? Dean lost all on his own for many reasons that had nothing to do with Gore. It's sad when Democrats join up with the "Blame Gore Cult" that the corporate media keeps alive.

[newsguyatl]

11. obviously you didn't read the article yourself

but rather saw it as a chance to go on an anti-dean tirade.

how sad.

[madfloridian]

25. He is blaming the other Democrats, not Gore.

.

[Cheswick2.0]

46. are you being purposely obtuse?

He is not blaming Gore.

[MoonGod]

8. That was my first thought, too...

... but reading his line of reasoning, it doesn't look like a dis on Gore at all. He's just saying that the endorsement made him such a clear front-runner that it made him the target for all of the other major candidates... which makes sense to me.

[w13rd0]

9. He's not dissing Gore...

...he's saying that when Gore endorsed him, the other candidates formed alliances to beat him, as he was the "presumptive nominee" at that point. It's not a statement about Gore, the person, in any real way, more about the position he held as the nominee in 2000. Once Gore endorsed Dean, we saw various "stop dean" coalitions. I'm sure the original poster is familiar with these.

Oh, and by the way, you want Kerry to win, quit dissing us. Or is it that you don't want Kerry to win, you just want to play some DLC piss on everyone contest?

[Radical Activist]

13. I didn't say he was dissing Gore

Apparently, some people on this site are still very sensitive about Dean. I posted the quotes from Dean in the article for a reason: so people would know just what he said.

[k in IA]

33. "some people on this site are still very sensitive about Dean"

I think you would have to be included in that category from seeing your posts here and on other threads.

[lovedems]

16. What in the hell is the problem? I didn't say anything about Kerry

and I didn't make any implications about Kerry or the DLC either and I didn't dis anyone, not even Dean.

Instead of being insulting you could have stated your opinion without trying to analyze mine.

[newsguyatl]

10. he's NOT dissing gore

the poster here EDITORIALIZED ((horribly incorrectly))


that's not what the article says if you'll read it.

[lovedems]

15. I did read it. Like I said, I don't have a bone to pick with Dean so I am

not going on an anti-Dean tyraid however, he shouldn't point the finger at Gore *at all*. I know he is saying that Gore's endorsement rallied his opponents but I don't think he should be using Gore's name at all. There are many other factors that could be responsible for his opponents united and he doesn't have to invoke the "Gore" factor. That man gets enough shit already that isn't deserving.

[madfloridian]

22. It was a compliment to Gore! Good grief! DFA staff is mostly Gore folks.

Former Gore people are running DFA, so why would he dis him? The article is quite clear.

[lovedems]

29. OK,

"In Howard Dean's assessment of his White House campaign, the beginning of the end came with the endorsement from former Vice President Al Gore."

That is a great compliment. I stand by my opinion that Gore shouldn't be invoked as leading to Dean's not getting the nomination.

[madfloridian]

41. Democrats distanced themselves from Gore and Dean, two good men.

It came because the others distanced themselves from Gore and Dean, who were not part of them.

[lovedems]

42. I like Dean and like I have said, I don't have any problems with him

and have NEVER said anything bad about him, ever (all good things). But knowing how the media HAVE treated both him AND Gore, I just don't agree with that particular observation. I think Dean was "ganged" up on because he was the front runner. With or without Gore's endorsement he would have hell to pay from the other candidates. That is the nature of political races. Attack the front runner.

In the end, I think Gore was trying to help Dean and I know that Dean appreciated the endorsement. He received many great endorsements but I wish he would have left Gore's name out his reasons for his campaign not doing to hot. I am not ragging on Dean for doing it, I just wish he wouldn't have. It is that simple.

Maybe in my first post saying it was a "dis" to Gore was a little over the top but my opinion about it stays the same.

[madfloridian]

20. Read the article. He says Gore endorsement turned the Dems against him.

OMG, fall for the headline.

[lovedems]

26. If you would have read my earlier posts, you would have seen that

I did read the article and I pointed out my position above.

[Cheswick2.0]

45. he wasn't doing that

He said that it was Gores endorsement that set of the "stop Dean" movement amoung the other candidates. He isn't blaming Gore at all. Gore brought him an incredible amount of support with his endorsement. They continue to work together to change the party to something it should be rather than the 2nd corporate party which is what it is right now.

[Cooley Hurd]

4. Instead of paraphrasing in your subject line...

...which is intellectually dishonest, IMHO, why didn't you put the title of the article? :shrug:

Just wondering... :eyes:

[newsguyatl]

5. ill tempered fake?

your post is idiotic...

the ONLY reason dean lost in iowa is because kerry and gephardt teamed up... and if you're referring to his now infamous POST iowa speech to say that's how IOWA voters "figured him out" BEFORE they voted -- that shows your logic, or lack thereof.

[Radical Activist]

12. The fact that Dean came in third

shows that Iowa voters figured him out before the rant. My comment is based on what I heard many Iowa voters say. They got to know Dean better than most, and they simply didn't like him. There's no reason to blame Gore's endorsement.

I felt my topic line was more accurate to what Dean said than the headline of the article.

[Name removed]

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[newsguyatl]

19. there's a difference

between "adding my thoughts or opinions" and posting a completely misleading thread title to an otherwise good article.

you're right, feel free to add your comments, though vile and idiotic as they may be. but at least if you post an article, post it with an accurate title.

[k in IA]

38. As an actual Iowa voter who did vote for Dean in the caucus, there was

so much negative coverage of Dean when it got close to the caucus because not only were the other candidates slamming him (which is to be expected) but the "so-called" democratic "strategists or pundits" where trying to take him down also.

He wasn't just running against the other candidates but the whole Democratic establishment that he had been criticizing. They would have shows on with a Dem and Repub talking head and the Dem would be more vicious than either the host or the Repub.

This is only one of MANY reasons I think he didn't get the nomination (some of which were self inflicted).

[Cheswick2.0]

47. yeah right

you talked to a whole lot of Iowa voters.... lol

[madfloridian]

18. See what headlines do to you?

The article was quite good. And I will say every day.....WE NEVER GOT TO VOTE FOR HIM!

Most of Dean's supporters never got the chance to vote for him in the primaries.

I get so angry when people keep slamming him. It does no good but to make us angry.

Shame on you.

[burned]

21. :/

His statement about Gore, taken IN CONTEXT, was quite complimentary.

It is my personal belief that Dean being continuously and loudly taken out of context is what sunk him. And it continues even now, which only shows that he is still a major force.

[newsguyatl]

24. bravo to you!!

you nailed it.

and you're right, this idiotic post is the epitome of dean being taken out of context.

thanks!

[Name removed]

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[madfloridian]

27. This is the shameful....what the others did.

''Everyone figured, including Bill Clinton, that we were going to win the whole thing when that happened,'' Dean recalled in an interview with the Associated Press. ''They figured that was it. The other five guys started having meetings about how to take us down after that happened.''

AND they did.

I am to the point now that I don't care who wins anymore. The media has the power!

[MontecitoDem]

50. I'm confused by this post

Dean claims the remaining candidates met together to "take him down"? Is there any verifiable facts out there to support this? Why do you consider it shameful?

And if what Dean says is true, why are you blaming the media?

[madfloridian]

56. The subject line in the original was changed.

That is good, but my post was not as clear. Several papers had
headlines like Dean says Gore hurt his campaign. That is at odds with the article.

[Radical Activist]

28. OK, I changed the headline

However, the original thought I put in the headline is in fact still in the article. Will people stop moaning about that now?

If people want to talk about what ended the Dean campaign or why I think he's an ill-tempered fake I'd be glad too. Don't expect me to respond to any "you're an idiot" or "Shutup Dean is better than Jesus!" posts.

[newsguyatl]

31. thanks

and i didn't call you an idiot, i said your post was idiotic.

[mzmolly]

35. RATM?

:shrug:

[madfloridian]

36. We should be fighting the media distortion, not each other.

But that is no fun, is it?

[H2O Man]

30. The democratic party

should be very thankful for Dean's saying out loud what many mainstream democrats did not believe -- that george bush was a terrible president, that he was not a smart politician, that he was unpopular, and that he could be whipped in 2004.

At the time of the Gore endorsement, much of the media had concluded the primary race was Dean's to lose. Of course the others "ganged up" on him. What would logic indicate they would do: gang up on Rev. Al or Dennis K ? A number of factors led to Dean having someone come from behind, kind of like Smarty Jones experienced.

I've always liked Al Gore. To be honest, in 1992, I liked him more than Bill Clinton, who I liked a lot. But, in the past few weeks, I've come to appreciate Al Gore even more than I did before. His speeches have become national treasures.

We need to understand that having so many qualified leaders in the party is not a bad thing. It is not a weakness in the democratic party. There are plenty of republicans today who are dissatisfied with bush. Their party needs a leader with the balls of a Howard dean, who can tell the truth like an Al Gore. But none of them are up to the task. And this is why our party has become so much stronger than theirs.

We owe a lot to Dean and Gore.

[Cheswick2.0]

48. Dean and Gore

My two favorite democratic leaders.

[KittyWampus]

32. Many Of Us Didn't Like The WaY Gore Endorsed Dean

Personally, I thought Dean pretty darned crafty for getting that endorsment and wished that Gore had gotten behind my preferred candidate.

However, when Gore said that we should all get behind Dean even before the first votes were cast or caucus met... I really took exception to that.

WHY did Gore phrase his endorsement the way he did? He might not be the BEST pol but he's been around a long time.

Anyhow, Dean seems to have landed on his feet and is ready to keep up the good fight along iwth all his supporters.

[madfloridian]

34. Well, personally I don't care for any of the candidates right now.

Nor do I especially care for the way the Democrats have acted/are acting.

The media has won. Over and over, and everyone still would rather slam Dean. But oh, if we say a word about Kerry, we are not party people. Oh, yes, we are. I have been life-long Democrat. I see that the media is pitting all of us against each other.

But the bash Dean mentality exists stronger than ever. We need to fight the media, not Dean, who said the media was the problem.

[KittyWampus]

37. Let's Hope Things Worked Out For The Best

Maybe Dean WILL be tapped to head the DNC.

His columns are something to look forward to.

As an "Outsider" he can help Kerry and Democrats keep their bearing whilst flying through the fog of war.

Things might get very ugly.

[madfloridian]

39. You see, I really don't care anymore.

That is the problem.

[MontecitoDem]

51. Seems to me there is only one anti-dean poster on this thread

and that the rest of us are talking about it, and maybe disagreeing about it, but no one else (that I have read) on this thread is bashing Dean.

The media is not the answer to every problem. People have actual differences of opinion - and those that disagree with you aren't necessarily being victimized or fooled by the media. They may just disagree.

Just one opinion.

[ibegurpard]

43. Yeah we know

which is why you were all willing to trash Gore even though you would have kissed his feet had he endorsed the candidate you supported. Whatever.

[MontecitoDem]

52. Some thought that a party leader like Gore,

really THE leader of our party at the time, should not have tried to swing the primaries before a vote was cast. Are you saying it's just sour grapes or can you acknowledge that some people could reasonably consider it inappropriate?

Gore lost credibility with me then, as far as being the voice of our party. I don't see him as our party leader anymore because he took sides when he shouldn't have, imo. But at the same time, I respect his independence and how he's been speaking out for issues he cares the most about.

[Radical Activist]

57. I was surprised too

Obviously I would have been happy if Gore had endorsed my first choice, but I was surprised he made an early endorsement like that given his role as leader of the party.

I was more annoyed at all the BS about Lieberman being betrayed. Lieberman started bashing Gore and the campaign Gore ran by the end of 2001 and deserved no more loyalty from Gore.

[Cheswick2.0]

44. and maybe it was the Kerry campaign duplicity and back stabbing

by the DLC. Robo calls to Dean supporters late at night, Kerry and Gephardt campaign operatives infiltrating the Dean campaign. All of that and the media which decided Dean would be too hard to beat and might actually do something about the media conglomerates... a problem I doubt Kerry will touch.

Right now Howard Dean is the only thing keeping me in the party and possibly voting for Kerry. Posts like your make me wonder why I bother.

[MontecitoDem]

53. Perhaps, just perhaps,

it wasn't that some ignorant electorate was swayed by inappropraite behaviour and media manipulation, but rather that most of us just didn't think Dean was the best candidate for this election?

[JI7]

49. you should make clear you are a Kucinich supporter

[Radical Activist]

55. Why?

I'm a Kerry supporter now that the primary is over, but I don't see the relevance of who I supported in the primary. Its obvious from my post that it wasn't Dean.

[JI7]

58. because

many of them think if you don't support dean then you support the dlc/kerry or some other things.

by making clear you supported kucinich it helps to show the weakness of their argument that dean was cheated for being anti war or anti dlc. and that there were people who were anti war and didn't support dean.

[madfloridian]

59. We are not 3rd person. We are mostly intelligent.

You can talk to us plainly. Dean supporters on the whole have a high level of intelligence and are insulted when talked about rather than to.

[JI7]

60. radical activist is not a dean supporter

and i was talking to him not to anyone who was/is a dean supporter.

[otohara]

54. The Media Was More Than Happy

to start the whole "kiss of death" mantra after Gore endorsed Dean, because the librul media continues to treat Gore like a loser, inspite of the fact that he got 1/2 million more votes than too stupid to be president.