I am an Obama supporter who has been trying to stay positive about HC,

[patrice]

but I must say that there is something hard to accept in her word choices in response to Obama's remarks about bitter Americans clinging to religion and guns.

Of the many thousands of legitimate ways to evaluate Obama's remarks, why would a fellow Democrat say that Obama was "demeaning" any of the people of America http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/12/AR2008041202094.html ????????

If there are legitimate reasons to criticize Obama's choice of words aren't there also legitimate reasons to criticize Hillary's use of the word "demeaning"?

I have been in favor of the way that the conflict between the candidates forces discussion of the issues. There are many thousands of words HC could have used, many of which COULD have been very powerful and effective in making her point. But, I AM sorry to say that to choose this word demonstrates not only a desire to cause her opponent trouble, but also a lack of concern for any damage she might cause the Democratic party.

I do not wish HC any ill. I don't dislike her personally and have even defended her sometimes here on the DU, but today, I just turned a corner.

[babylonsister]

1. She doesn't care what the price is or

whether she screws the Dem party or the other candidate, nothing matters, and it's obvious. Her ambition trumps all, and I dare anyone to show me where it hasn't. That for me is grounds to be plum out of respect for her.

[patrice]

2. I've seen posts for months, but didn't believe it until now. nt

[countingbluecars]

3. I have just about lost all respect

and admiration I had for her.

[proud2BlibKansan]

19. She is a narcissist

And so is Bill.

It is actually pretty sad.

[AtomicKitten]

4. It's tough to ignore, isn't it?

Thanks for speaking up.

Cheers. :hi:

[patrice]

6. It would have been soooooooo much better to make a critical point and then

engage the issues that he raised to her own benefit, take it away from him so to speak and turn it to your own benefit by making the same point in more positive terms. It's shocking that she didn't do this. I'm a "tweener" in a large and VERY complex family; I've done this time and time again. It is possible even under the worst of circumstances. I guess it just depends upon what a person REALLY wants more than anything else.

[AtomicKitten]

8. It has served as a stark contrast between the candidates.

Barack's message has always been one of hope and change. All the way back to his early days in politics in Chicago. The Clinton campaign has been searching for a message from the get-go and have settled on bashing their opponent. It is as truly a pathetic spectacle.

Hey, don't get me started on my family! Ha, ha. :hi:

[roguevalley]

16. they didn't know they had to have one since they only planned up

to Super Tuesday. Can't wait for Carter and Gore to kick her to the curb.

[kwenu]

5. It is a clear intent to destroy not merely to raise differences.

[wisteria]

7. She is a self serving,power hungry vile woman. This is similar to what she did to Kerry.

And, then she goes further and says that Obama is an elitist. That was just wrong of her to do. It has opened the wound from October 2006 when she stabbed Senator Kerry in the back for leaving the word "us" out of a sentence about Bush because she didn't want to take on a better person than herself. She is doing it this time too, because Senator Obama is better person than her and he really wants to change America for the better, unlike Clinton who is just interested in the power and what it can do for her.

[babylonsister]

11. wisteria, you're not the only one who noticed this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5474767&mesg_id=5475316

[earth mom]

9. Both candidates are out of touch. I'm insulted by Obamas remarks because it came off

as cavalier, condescending and demeaning.

Hillary pointed it out, and Obama cultists are pissed because she is right.



However, what both candidates don't understand is that the working class can smell the bullshit they have BOTH been dishing out since day one.


NEWSFLASH to DU: Nothing is going to change with either of them in office.


So Obama can wax poetic all he wants about how much hope aka hype he is going to bring to the country, but the reality is that OBAMA IS OWNED BY THE VERY CORPORATIONS that have already screwed over the working class in this country.

And how is Obama going to resolve that quandary exactly?

Is Obama going to give all those MILLIONS OF DOLLARS in corporate donations back? HELL NO!

Meanwhile Hillary is pointing out his bullshit-Good for her. At the VERY least she is being honest for a change. Which is more than can be said about Obama.

[zalinda]

17. Hey, good, someone telling the truth for a change. n/t

[davidpdx]

18. Sorry you've lost creditability with me on two fronts

Hillary pointed it out, and Obama cultists are pissed because she is right. (The nastiness of the Clinton campaign and her running as the inevitable winner is why I'd never vote for her. Your comments just reinforce that.


However, what both candidates don't understand is that the working class can smell the bullshit they have BOTH been dishing out since day one.


NEWSFLASH to DU: Nothing is going to change with either of them in office.


So Obama can wax poetic all he wants about how much hope aka hype he is going to bring to the country, but the reality is that OBAMA IS OWNED BY THE VERY CORPORATIONS that have already screwed over the working class in this country. (Do you have a link for that vitriol filled rant or are you in the habit of repeating crap without bothering to post proof?)

And how is Obama going to resolve that quandary exactly?

Is Obama going to give all those MILLIONS OF DOLLARS in corporate donations back? HELL NO!

Meanwhile Hillary is pointing out his bullshit-Good for her. At the VERY least she is being honest for a change. Which is more than can be said about Obama. (Pointing out bullshit? McCain and Hillary are using the same tactic, pandering to the lowest common denominator. It is sickening.)

[Yael]

10. Hi Patrice

I can appreciate. Thanks for the post.

:hi:

[patrice]

12. Hi Yael!

:hi:

I wish this was over, so all of us could get on with what's next!

[Yael]

13. You and me both, sis.

Good weekend to you! :hug:

[mudesi]

14. ƒ

[bigbrother05]

15. It was a Hit and Run

another one.
Sorry but I am having the same feeling today, that I had about Katrina, ashamed of America

[davidpdx]

20. I agree with you Patrice

It is hard to stay positive with some of the crap flying around. The lies and distortions coming from the Clinton campaign are getting pretty desperate. I voted for her husband twice and even had a decent opinion of them until a few years ago. I've read both of their books as well. Clinton's cozying up to right wing media mogul Rupert Murdoch and her votes on the war did me in though.

I'm just happy I saw the light before the beginning of this campaign. Too bad others aren't able to do the same.