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AmyStrange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 10:59 PM
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Battling the Bishops

Battling the Bishops

Is Kerry Catholic enough? There's evidence the question is backfiring on his critics

By KAREN TUMULTY / WASHINGTON

FROM: http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101040621/ncatholics.html
It made only the faintest blip on John Kerry's campaign radar screen— or anyone else's—when an Archbishop from St. Louis, Mo., told a local television station four months ago that the Massachusetts Senator with a staunchly pro-choice voting record should "not present himself for Communion" in that archdiocese. In the frenzied days when Kerry strategists were gearing up for their first nationwide round of primaries, they were far more preoccupied with introducing Kerry to voters as a decorated Vietnam veteran, untangling him from the contradictions of his Senate voting record and figuring out how to dodge the inevitable "Massachusetts liberal" label. In all their internal discussions of the candidate's personal strengths and liabilities, a top adviser recalls, nobody ever even raised what was perhaps the most personal one of all: Kerry's Catholicism and the fact that he could become the first person of his faith since John F. Kennedy to run as the nominee of a major political party.

If that didn't seem like such a big deal then, it does now. A handful of other church leaders have since echoed Archbishop Raymond Burke's declaration that Catholic politicians who vote against church teachings are unfit for the sacrament that more than any other symbolizes a Catholic's ongoing connection to the faith. At least one of those leaders—Colorado Springs, Colo., Bishop Michael Sheridan—has even suggested that unrepentant Catholics who so much as vote for a pro-choice politician should stay away from the Communion rail. Kerry meanwhile insists that he will continue to practice both his faith and his politics as always, and so the watch is on. Can the Democratic nominee travel the country throughout the next five months of Sundays without a priest turning him away? As Kerry campaigns this week in Colorado—a state his strategists have designated one of their top targets in November—more than 250 American Catholic bishops and several Cardinals will be there too, discussing, among other things, how to deal with the increasingly tense relationship between the church and many Catholic politicians.

The bishops will hear from a task force, led by Washington Archbishop Theodore Cardinal McCarrick, that is supposed to give them a set of guidelines on the issue shortly after the election. McCarrick has said he has "not gotten comfortable" with the idea of confronting anyone at the altar, even as he has asserted that Catholics conscious of grave sin should not take Communion. The antiabortion group American Life League responded in early May with full-page newspaper ads in the Washington Times featuring a picture of the crucified Christ and asking, Cardinal McCarrick: are you comfortable now?

That kind of recrimination is also bearing down for the first time on many pro-choice politicians around the country. The pastor of Democratic Senator Dick Durbin's hometown parish in Springfield, Ill.—where Durbin's children attended Catholic school and his daughter was married—announced in April that the Senator could not receive Communion there. Although Durbin had not attended the church regularly for seven years, since he began worshipping near his condo in Chicago, the resulting debate has put him in a difficult spot. He recently declined to give the eulogy at a close friend's funeral for fear that his presence on the altar with the local bishop would create an embarrassing scene. "It's very painful," Durbin told TIME. "It's one of the most painful experiences I've had in public life. You can't really put into words how tough this is to deal with."

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my take: many religious folks think their interpretation of the bible should overide the part where God said even he/ she will wait until the last days to judge.

d

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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 11:14 PM
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1. Those Catholic parishes that meddle
in Government affairs and try to influence elections should have their tax exemption revoked. Also by influencing elections they have become a political entity and should have to abide by the rules applicable to political organizations.
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AmyStrange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 11:20 PM
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2. good point

I totally agree. You shouldn't be able to pick and chose which part of the bible to justify your prejudices. YOPu should apply the whole bible and not just the part that meshes with your beliefs,

d

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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 11:21 PM
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3. Are Catholic Bishops gunning for Gov. Schwartenegger also?
If not, they're being hypocrits. Again. Which is why I stopped going to church.
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AmyStrange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 11:44 PM
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6. I went to a parochial school...

and started questioning the Catholic religion in 6th grade,

d

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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 11:55 PM
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7. Since I didn't start Parochial School...
UNTIL the 6th grade, it took me longer. Amazing what learning more about your religion can do to damage your faith.
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AmyStrange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 12:12 AM
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8. Absolutely...

it's the organized part that gets me more than anything,

d


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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 01:00 AM
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11. I distrust organized religion.
Too much organization, not enough of everything else.
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AmyStrange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 01:07 AM
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12. not enough of everything else

hahahahaha well said,

d

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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 09:37 AM
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13. To quote RAH
"Religions are organized to first benefit the priests, second benefit the princes, and third to always benefit the priests."
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 11:31 PM
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4. Simply put, the Pope is against the Iraq War...so...
Edited on Sun Jun-13-04 11:33 PM by zulchzulu
The Pope is against the present Iraq War. Anyone who is for it should not get any communion action.

The Pope is against capital punishment. Anyone who is for it should not get any communion action.

The Pope is against torture. Anyone who is for it should not get any communion action.

Not only should abortion be the litmus test for not getting the Holy Host, but all the Pope's opinions (and thus God's) be noted and enforced the same.

Whatever...
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AmyStrange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 11:40 PM
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5. So true...
Edited on Sun Jun-13-04 11:41 PM by AmyStrange

but I've also heard that Catholics (Or most est. religions - especially Christian) are not against the DP?

I couldn't find anything to disprove it. Any help here?

d

(EDITED: "moste" to "Most")
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 12:27 AM
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9. Ah yes...the Pro-Life/Pro Death Penalty Crowd...
I like to hear their opinions on this, if only for a good laugh.
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AmyStrange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 12:53 AM
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10. that's true

anti-choice and pro dp don't make any sense.

Good point,

d

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