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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:34 PM
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Hillary uses "San Francisco" code word with Union crowd to play upon ANTI-GAY BIGOTRY.
Hillary, in her most recent acting job/speech, just brought up the dog whistle/code word "San Francisco" to reference Obama's remarks. She looked down at her notes just prior to doing this, so it stands to reason that her campaign wanted to use that "code word" to play upon the prejudices of PA voters.

With just two words Hillary has made Obama's point about cynical politicans using bigotry to divide and conquer the electorate and have them vote against the common interests of the citizenry.

Thanks Hillary for PROVING WITH YOUR OWN WORDS that you are not beneath using anti-gay bigotry to win power. I'm sure your homosexual supporters are proud of your using them as a target to gain blue-collar votes.

J
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:35 PM
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1. She totally stereotyped the voters of San Francisco
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:36 PM
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2. Hm, I didn't think of that
Did she carry SF in the primary, by the way?
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:50 PM
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21. She lost SF county along with alameda, sonoma, and marin
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 01:52 PM by woolldog
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 04:57 PM
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64. Excuse me, but the California primary was in March
And she won it.

She lost SF county along with alameda, sonoma, and marin

You think they're going to vote for McCain?
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:25 PM
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70. What are you babbling about?
I was just answering WesDem's question. Find someone else to attack.
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 02:01 PM
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116. I like how they got the month wrong in their attack on you. lol nt
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:58 PM
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82. why is Hillary mocking San Francisco?
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 09:58 PM by CreekDog
that's what Republicans do and we know why they do it.

then there's the "elite" quip, the only thing she forgot to mention is welfare queens driving cadillacs. :eyes:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:59 PM
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84. Exactly. n/t
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:59 AM
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101. Because she can
She knows that no matter what she says, the state of California is going to vote for the Democratic Party's nominee (and give that person all of its EC votes).
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:09 PM
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123. March?
You mean February.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:36 PM
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3. I thought the same thing when I heard it -
I thought she was going to be all things to all gay folks here pretty soon, just as soon as she explained the DADT thingy.....At least she said she was....

How did she stand on that defense of marriage thing, anyway??
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:37 PM
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4. I thought that HIllary was big in San FRan with the voters..
but now it seems she's using them to forward
her 'bitterness.'

I'm awaiting a tidal wave of backlash... its' coming.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:53 PM
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24. It's apparent that she only cares about the voting interests of those important at the time.
She's only focused on winning PA...AT ANY COST. Pathetic, if you ask me.

J
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:47 PM
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56. NoodleyAppendage ... Where did you hear or see Hillary Clinton say these things???!!!
Was it on television? On the radio? Internet? We're trying to get your attention, so we can see for ourselves! Not all of us have a television available to us during the day.

Anyone, please feel free to answer.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:01 PM
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57. See the MSNBC link here:
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:06 PM
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58. THANK YOU!
This is what we meant by "context" ...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:58 PM
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83. No. We went with Obama. This is the irony.
Hillary IS BIG with the rich elite of this city but not with normal people.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:37 PM
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5. What context?
Ya got a link?
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:38 PM
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6. How very Rush Limbaugh of her
Those damn hippies!
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:38 PM
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7. Right....
Seriously, KRAZY.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:39 PM
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8. She better watch it, the larger areas like Philly have large GLB communities. n/t
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:40 PM
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9. "...fundraiser in San Francisco-o" she said with chin lowered and eyebrows briefly raised
Yes ... it sure looked like she was blowing the dog-whistle. :puke:

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:44 PM
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14. Subtlety is not her strong suit. (nt)
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:46 PM
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17. I have no idea what she was talking about when she said this.
was she referring to something specific?
the Randi Rhodes comic act came to mind - maybe that was it.

but yes, if she was using that code word for gays - and thought it would fly over peoples heads - what a dumbass.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:55 PM
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27. The right-wing code phrase is "San Francisco values" ... i.e. gays and hippies.
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 01:58 PM by TahitiNut
Notice the mental association between "fundraiser" and "values"? This is often a very carefully crafted phraseology intended to appeal to the bigots and be missed by "outsiders" - which is why it's called a "dog whistle."

It's very much like the older use of "New York liberal" was crafted as a code phrase to mean Jews. It was a shop-worn phrase in the old "Southern Democrat" days.

These euphemisms appeal particularly to those who don't travel - to folks who have spent no time in such places and have not experienced the diversity and vibrancy of those communities. "Cosmopolitan" is the LAST word one would use to describe them.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:59 PM
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85. Dammit. It would be sexist to call her the b-word
She's just an ASSHOLE.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:40 PM
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10. ***BZZZZZZTTT !***
Oooh. Wrong answer. Thanks for playing.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:58 PM
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33. Thanks for verifying my hunch
that The Clinton campaign is a dated game show with a cheesy prize.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:41 PM
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11. What's the context of her remark?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:42 PM
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12. All I have is your word for it...
...and frankly, Obamists will twist anything H says however innocuous into a personal insult against this group or that. I can't check for myself from the office, but until I hear the actual remarks I am not going to credit this report.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:47 PM
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18. Please explain how it matters WHERE OBAMA MADE HIS COMMENT?
I'd really like to know why it was important to even mention where he make his "bitter" comments. Please explain why extra time was given to label the location of his remarks.

J
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:48 PM
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19. It matters specifically because he was pandering to the preconceptions of his audience. nt
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:50 PM
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22. Stereotype much? I guess San Francisco citizens are not "regular folk"? n/t
J
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:54 PM
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26. Your OP insinuates that the "union crowd" is full of latent "bigotry". Talk about irony!
:rofl:
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:01 PM
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86. Sounds pretty elitist of her to assume that such a line will play well with that audience
guess she thinks they are dumb and intolerant.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:02 PM
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41. regular folk?
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 02:03 PM by northzax
at a $2,300/plate fundraiser hosted by the son of J. Paul Getty?

did you get an invitation? I am sure it wasn't elitist at all, not at all.

so, besides the Senator and his wife, you figure there were any other non-WASPs there? I mean besides the help.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:59 PM
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34. And it matters even more that Hill has endeared herself to the conservative agenda. eom
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:56 PM
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29. it makes total sense
you'll notice he gave that speech in a large, affluent city, not a small, struggling town.

despite what the OP says, San Francisco isn't just a code word for 'gay' it is much more of a code word for 'insane godless liberal elitists who don't understand middle America" ever heard the term 'flyover state?' San Francisco is on one end of the flight.

I want Obama to go to Allentown, or the equivalent and tell the people there that they cling to God and Guns because they are bitter. use those same words to the people there. if it's all ok, if it's telling the truth, then it's the right thing to do, right?

right?
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:04 PM
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42. But an integral part of why people in middle america dislike SF
and believe it is so liberal and out of touch and elitist b/c of the pro-gay attitude in SF. When I lived in SF I can't tell you how many people I met while traveling who just assume SF is some morally bankrupt sodom and gomarrah, in large part because they feel SF is so pro-gay and b/c they feel most people in SF are gay (stupid, but that's what they think). And how they feel about gays is woven in tightly with their perception of the city.

So yeah, she is playing on that perception and dog-whistling.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:13 PM
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45. right
Hillary is whipping up anti-gay fever, while Obama is just saying the truth when he dismisses the flyover states.

hey, wasn't it Obama who sent the rabid homophobic pastor down to South Carolina?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:02 PM
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66. No, it's a code word for gay.
All of the perceived godless liberal elitim is secondary to that. I find myself in the weird position of having grown up in rural PA and having lived in and around SF for much of my adult life, and I can assure you that the gay thing far outweighs any of the other supposed evils of the City By the Bay in the minds of many, many people in PA. Including most of my own family.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:28 PM
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74. yeah, I made that point too, upthread. n/t
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #66
107. same thing when Obama uses it?
or just when Hillary does?

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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:34 AM
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100. Oh, please...
...how unaware are you?

San Francisco has long been known as a gay-friendly area and there is a very large gay population in and around San Francisco.

Please....remember the bullshit about Nancy Pelosi's San Francisco values? What the hell did you think that referred to? That she lived in the city where Alcatraz had been?

:eyes:
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:55 AM
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104. Where have you been? She keeps throwing in the "San Francisco Fundraiser"
when she criticizes the "bitter" remarks.

She's using hatred for gays in PA.

I think its amazing that no one on TV is pointing it out. Shows you where the media is...they would rather feign outrage on behalf of hunters and rural PA than gays.

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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #12
128. Kinda like
Hillary supporters are twisting something O said, however innocuous, into a personal insult against small-town folks, gun owners, religious people?
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:43 PM
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13. no, it references that the situational context of his comments makes it that much worse
because that is middle america's perception of the Democratic party.
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:45 PM
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15. Need some context ... SF is used as code for "liberal" as well n/t
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:49 PM
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20. So, she's referencing "San Francisco" to bring negative attention to herself? WTF?
You and I both know this wasn't done to implicitly label Obama liberal. Hell, he's in the same party as her. Repukes are not going to vote for her unless it is to insure that she will be the Repuke opponent in the general election, so her referencing "liberal" to gain Repuke vote doesn't make sense in a closed primary state.

J
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:55 PM
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28. I was speaking as a gay person
in my experience, SF can be used as code word for both gay and liberal. Although she is a Democrat, Senator Clinton, imho, is no liberal. And she'll happily use right-wing code words to label Senator Obama as liberal if she thinks it benefits her.

I just want some more context to be sure, maybe a quote or even some footage.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:56 AM
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105. Pah, they use "liberal" because they can't say "gay".
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:46 PM
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16. The message to do this has certainly been relayed to her surrogates - listening to
Begala and (I'm not sure who it was earlier but it sounded like Sestak) another PN surrogate, they are completely acting like Republicans.

Schultz asked Begala why he called or said he thinks Obama is "elite". Begala said because of education - Harvard. Schultz asked where Hillary went - remember Yale.

These people are reinforcing all the RW memes. It is truly pathetic and disgusting.

They are a disgrace.
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Mandorallen Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:52 PM
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23. OMG
talk about "spin"! Dont be so superficial. She used SF because that is where it took place. What if she said "California" What would you say theN? she is movie star bashers?
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:53 PM
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25. Anti-gay bigotry to win power. Using gay people to gain
voters.

Gee, this sounds awfully similar to a notorious situation involving Obama.

Are you sure we want to go down this road road again NoodleyAppendage?
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:57 PM
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31. Did Obama publicly praise McClurkin and his ex-gay workings?
Because that would be the equivalent to what Clinton is doing right now.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:16 PM
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47. He certainly didn't speak out about the situation until
the gay community/publications put the proverbial gun to his head about it.

And even then, he still refuses to apologize .. even as recently as the interview in The Advovate on Friday.

Obama supporters should be cautious about painting Hillary Clinton as a panderer of gay people.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:43 PM
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75. No, he just HIRED him.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:57 PM
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32. And look up the sheeple lapping it up.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:26 AM
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96. Don't listen to them...
she was simply stating a fact. He was in San Francisco when he made the unseemly coments about Pennsylvanians.

The fact that they are reading (writing) into it, reflects upon them. Not Hillary.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:57 PM
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30. You pull this out of your ass
and the sheep come following.

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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:01 PM
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36. Its better than pulling right wing frames out your ass to bash dems and progressives. eom
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:00 PM
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35. Dogwhistle politics is standard for the Clinton/McCain/ Lieberman/republican strategy.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:01 PM
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37. K & R
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:02 PM
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38. Media Matters did a great analysis on the use of "San Francisco Liberal"
Hillary Clinton is playing right out of the Repig Playbook with her comments using San Francisco as a pejorative term:

... Media Matters conducted a survey* of media coverage of Pelosi for 90 days prior to the 2006 midterm elections and found that, contrary to Pinkerton's claim about the media's election coverage "spin," newspapers, broadcast networks, and cable news networks repeatedly characterized Pelosi as a "San Francisco liberal" or a purveyor or symbol of "San Francisco values" while rarely mentioning the fact that Pelosi was a grandmother or that she was raised in Baltimore. Fox News showed the greatest disparity, with 19 characterizations of Pelosi as a "San Francisco liberal" and only one mention that Pelosi was a grandmother. The Fox News program Hannity & Colmes accounted for 11 of the 19 Fox News characterizations.

Pre-election media coverage for the period August 7 through November 7:







http://mediamatters.org/items/200611150008
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:02 PM
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39. This was a fund raiser held in SF with a bunch of SF rich folks
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:02 PM
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40. 1st Time I heard about this MSM said people that were there were "rich" - NOT true -
This is posted on the Obama blog board:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/hopeandchange/gGBWzl

How I spent my Sunday with Obama and the Mayhill Fowler Agenda
By Sandy - Apr 12th, 2008 at 5:50 am EDT

Imagine my surprise to see an article in the Huffington Post by Mayhill Fowler describing his answer as "a problematic judgment call in trying to explain working class culture to a much wealthier audience." and his answer being like "explaining the yawning cultural gap that separates a Turkeyfoot from a Marin County." I guess Ms. Fowler thought that, unlike herself, the other attendees had never gone outside the large house in Pacific Heights where the event was held. I grew up working class in Texas. I thought it ironic that Ms Fowler, was attempting to paint Obama as a condescending elitist, while at the same time she was stereotyping everybody at the event with her omniscient insight.

In any case, her agenda was clear. Despite Ms. Fowler talking about the people at the fundraiser being middle class in an earlier post, the "rich man poor man" theme fit better with the "Obama as a judgmental elite, talking to judgmental elites" spin. This also seemed to fit with some of her earlier articles where she had described Obama as cocky, arrogant, and even "flirty". What a coincidence that she now writes an article putting another twist on Obama's personality. All she had to do was a sneak a recorder in a small event for Obama supporters and do a little bit of crafty writing and out of context editing. Now Fox News and Lou Dobbs are having a field day.

(snip)

It was great seeing Obama in a relaxed setting, talking both in detail and inspiring prose, in what was essentially a large living room.

Too bad there were roaches under the sofa.

.............

There is more here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5496362&mesg_id=5496362
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:09 PM
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44. you know who's house it was?
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 02:10 PM by northzax
hint: the last name is Getty.

and the price of admission was $2,300/head. Sorry, I don't know what world "Sandy" lives in, but $2,300/head ain't really entertainment for the middle class in most parts.

is it possible that volunteers got a discounted rate? to add some local color? sure. but let's not pretend this was anything but what it really was, a cash grab. you think he's going to incur the $50k cost of flying to San Francisco for a day without making at least a million?
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:16 PM
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48. You really think that this was "needed" by Barack? Some people give once a week to Obama.
You really think $2,300.00 is that much? I don't think so and as noted even Fowler said they were "middle class" people there and then changed the story! The truth will come out - I have no doubt!
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:29 PM
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53. $2,300 a plate?
that's $5,200 a couple. sorry, for pretty much everyone I know, that's legitimate money (for me, for instance, it's half a year's rent.) I also know people for whom that isn't a lot of money, they are called rich people.

If your neighbor told you that he and his wife spent $5,200 on dinner last night, would you consider him 'middle class'? maybe middle class for Pacific Heights, where the median price of the homes sold in the 4Q of 2007 was just over a million dollars

I bet that sounds 'middle class' to someone from Allentown, where the mediam home price is a piddling $108,454


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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:38 PM
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55. It wasn't a dinner - Obama is not supposed to but Hillary can? - Elton brought in 2.5 M
2.5 Million - so much for rich supporters!!!!!!!!!!!!1

http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5gfH-x4pBRjVuFFoO-rvaZ7MyzUPw
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 04:55 PM
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63. of course
I don't blame him for doing it. But he says no one gets special access to him. and yet, $2,300 a plate gets you in a room with only 249 other people. no special favors, except increased access for people with money. I think that's called 'politics as usual."

but I'm sure that if you got 250 people together and asked the Senator to come speak to you, in private, he'd do it right? of course he would. no one has special access.

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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:07 PM
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59. It would be more prudent for me to have said that there were some rich and middle class there.
But from the post of the lady that was there not everyone was a millionaire.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:22 AM
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133. "Large houses" in San Fransisco are not owned by working class people. n/t
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:06 PM
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43. What was the context of this remark? n/t
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:15 PM
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46. SHAMEFUL! HRC disrespects San Francisco ... like the Clinton DLCer Harold Ford disrespects
Nancy Pelosi ... challenging her for leadership of the House Democrats.

Don't be fooled by "the pretenders."

Screw The Clintons and their smarmy DLC. :thumbsdown:
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:18 PM
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49. Hillary would make a great...
Republican nominee! :rofl:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:20 PM
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50. Where exactly did Obama give the 'bitter' speech?
I was under the impression that it was San Fransisco. This is very relevant, as it is unlikely that Obama would have said the same thing to an audience in a place like Pennsylvania.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #50
54. Right...
Scurry away to your justification hole there's a psychological defense mechanism waiting for your there.

j
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:23 PM
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51. ********************* HELLO! WE WANT SOME CONTEXT! **********************
Was this on television? Radio? Website? Did you dream this and decide to post something about it?

I am gay, so I would like some context before dropping my pants and sliding on the ice!
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #51
115. It would seem the OP's opinion is that "San Francisco" is 'code' for...
'the gay lifestyle' :shrug: But I find the outrage ginned up & disingenuous :thumbsdown:

"some context before dropping my pants and sliding on the ice!" heh-heh, i like it :thumbsup:
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:24 PM
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52. She isn't a true Democrat.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:08 PM
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60. K & R
:thumbsup:
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:32 PM
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61. LMFAO! Oh, the desperation!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 04:07 PM
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62. Without a doubt, that's what the Queen of California was doing. She loves using wingnut code words,
and "San Francisco" is wingnut for gay.

But her and Bill sure do love those Calfornia dollars.

I wonder if she ever sang the praises of duck hunting at one of her many California fundraisers.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 04:58 PM
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65. but but but but but!!! Hillary loves the gays! She talks to their newspapers?
So what if she throws them under the bus to pick up some bigoted voters.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:05 PM
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67. You mean she referenced the city where Barry made the remarks?
OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!!

:rofl:
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #67
91. If the substance is the issue, the what does where he made the comment? n/t
J
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:57 AM
Response to Reply #91
93. "the what does where he made the comment?"
I have no idea what that means.
Is it "code?"

:rofl:
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #67
97. Yes. That's right...
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 09:29 AM by susankh4
and what they are doing here is pure slander. Slander and baiting.

It's shameful to play one Dem. faction against the other like this.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:05 PM
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68. Obama's america stands to be safer place for women and gay people with a more harmonious America.
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 05:06 PM by cooolandrew
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:24 PM
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69. Um.. no. The video shows Obama speaking in front of men in suits not drag queens.
San Francisco mean money and lots of it to the average American. Combine San Fransisco and fund raiser and unions are going to picture some very wealthy donors along the lines of Pelosi and her husband.

Keep in mind that union members are very politically savvy.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #69
122. Bingo!
That's right. Exactly what I, and many here in Ohio, saw.

"Private meeting with the well-to-dos, at which the know-nothing workers are discussed."
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:25 PM
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71. I think you just stereotyped San Fransisco as gay. Fort Worth has a gay section. So does Houston.
So does Dallas. So do most big cities. That does not make any of them "gay".
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #71
120. Cincinnati has one too!
Believe it or not.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:26 PM
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72. (Never mind. Saw link above.)
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 05:26 PM by WinkyDink
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:27 PM
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73. "The Democrats of San Francisco" --- Jeanne Kirkpatrick
Also, Bill O'Reily: "San Francisco Democrats"

Hillary had a right to hit Obama when he left himself so open on this issue, but it is clear that she clearly was reminding rural voters about "San Francisco" which was equally off-putting.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:47 PM
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76. San Francisco is the drainage spigot for all the slurs against the left.
We hold up nicely under the strain of it all because, hey, it's San Francisco.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #76
77. I always loved telling Repug relatives that I lived in SF
You could see their Hannity-rotted heads thinking...is he...a...liberal?

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:06 PM
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88. Wear it proudly.
So much to see and do. We are seeing The Kids in the Hall perform live next month. How cool is that?
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:52 PM
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78. She dividing the progressives from the blue dog dems. The Dino dems are with Hillary.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:54 PM
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79. That is it. She is using the"wedge issues".
We are sick of them. They are so 2004.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:55 PM
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80. I have watched for months a community that I not only support
but that I have ties to that are just part of whom I am deride Obama and support Clinton. And the whole time, I was afraid for their trust of this person.

I don't want to gloat or anything. It all just makes me angry.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:56 PM
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81. my mom and other family here in San Francisco will love to hear that
I'll be sure to tell them.

They've given money and votes to her. I'm sure they will enjoy being mocked by a candidate that they support.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:52 AM
Response to Reply #81
90. Spread the word. People need to open their eyes... n/t
J
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:01 PM
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87. That is EXACTLY what she did....she nauseates me...
...:puke:
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:50 AM
Response to Reply #87
89. Some recognize her bigotry-baiting for what it is...and some are in denial. n/t
J
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #89
102. And others pretend to be in denial about the bigotry
since it detracts from their self-selected mission as blogwarriors for the Goddess of Peace!
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:57 AM
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92. Uh... wasn't he in San Francisco...
when he made the statement about Pennsylvanians?
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:01 AM
Response to Reply #92
94. Give me a friggin' break. You and I both know that was not the point of bringing up his location.
If she's running on the substance of his remarks, then what does it matter where he made the comment? Unless...of course, she knows full well that blue collar and middle America folks view "San Francisco" as a derrogatory location and peoples. She knew what she was doing and it was very REPUKE of her to do it.

J
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:23 AM
Response to Reply #94
95. Please provide a link to
the exact quote you are referring to.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #95
98. Crickets.
Did the O.P. not see the exact quote?


:shrug:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:33 AM
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99. Find her speeches on MSNBC, etc. She DID say San Francisco
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:45 AM
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103. She said that Mr. Obama was in San Francisco...
He was.

I rest my case.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #103
112. If that's the pretzel logic you cling to...then I EXPECT HER TO REPORT HIS LOCATION from now on.
I want to hear about the remarks he will make in every location from here on out. You and I both know that she was using a "dog whistle" term derisively, but your denial makes the psychological discomfort more palatable, I guess.

J
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #112
119. It was relevant in this case.
Because it was a "secret" or "private" meeting. It had been in the press, over and over about the Mayhill Fowler report.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #119
138. Right. So, if it was a private fundraising event in Scranton, she would have given the location too
Grasp upon the straws that prop up your psychological defense mechanisms when confronted with evidence contrary to the image you have of your candidate.

J
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:01 AM
Response to Reply #138
140. You are the one grasping my friend.
If Scranton were pertinant... it should be mentioned.

And, I dare say... had Mr. Obama made his comments in Scranton, he would not be in the hot water he is now. Folks in the heartland do not like to be spoken about behind their backs. If he wanted to know who was "bitter" he could have asked. In Scranton.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:31 PM
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110. Link here.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #110
118. Nothing at all wrong with what she said.
It was true.

And, I am still unclear what the "boos" are about. Her? No... I think about what she is saying... quoting Mr. Obama.

Axelrod... whew... that guy was a total a** about the whole thing, wasn't he?
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #118
124. Explain then
.. why they then edited out the boos in the version available on Hillarys Youtube channel?
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:57 AM
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106. no, it is perceptually the land of the liberal elitists that are out of touch with midamerica
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:13 PM
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108. anti gay and uppity n******* all in the same image its a two-fer
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:38 PM
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109. Whatever it takes


I guess running on the issues and her own character isn't working.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:33 PM
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111. Is that the crowd that booed Hillary, after they cheered Obama earlier?
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #111
113. Yes, I think so. Link here to MSNBC video of her bigot-baiting remarks.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:49 PM
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114. Um, BHO made those comments *in* San Francisco, right? San Francisco is not a 'code word'...
for the gay lifestyle in & of itself. The City is multi-cultural, multi-layered, and multi-tasking. People that do not live there only assert that it is, when there are every bit as large & vital G&L populations in other major cities in America. You're propagating homophobia yourself while dis'ing SF within your OP which smacks of Yellow Journalism imo

Are you sure she wasn't talking about the bird man of Alcatraz? Or Chinese kites? Or how finding a parking space in The City is a bitch on wheels?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:48 PM
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117. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #114
132. My former retort was deleted, but the point was you have no business calling me homophobic.
My uncle died of AIDS after living a tragic life as a closeted homosexual in the deep South. One of my best friends is gay and my boss is gay. I have not an ounce of homophobia in my body.

Rather than address the issue, which is typical of Hillary supporters in denial, you attack the messenger. Smooth move, Ex-lax.

j
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:06 PM
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121. This should get a DUzy.
Post of the century. Well played, sir.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:27 PM
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127. pft, if the past is any indication it likely will
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:17 PM
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125. The low green frog smells flowers at sunset.
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ExtraGriz Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:04 PM
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126. the paranoia is getting out of hand...
please somebody make it stop....think of the children!! :wtf:
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:39 PM
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129. Yeah. So much for Hillary the great friend of the LGBT voter.
I guess the important thing is that she show Reg'lar Merika how much she doesn't like, you know, "San Francisco", wink wink.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:15 AM
Response to Reply #129
130. Some people recognize her campaign "dog whistling" the term...other are in denial. n/t
J
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:16 AM
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131. I'll bet she wouldn't even have her picture taken with the city's mayor.
Oh, that's right.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:25 AM
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134. THE Hillary Clinton? The same Hillary Clinton who said;
"You don't need to be straight to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight."
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:54 AM
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135. Shes never stood by those dam lefties
in anything hardly.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:03 PM
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136.  To start a thread, a minimum IQ of 70 should be required
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #136
137. I have a Ph.D. buddy. Maybe you should revise to...
Those with 70 IQ (WAIS-3 determined full-scale) should only retort to posts at DU...which undoubtedly would exclude yourself.

J
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:49 PM
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139. Sure
PaunchyHairyDude is run of the mill around here


still......:dunce:.... :boring:
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