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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 08:16 AM
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As a Clark supporter this concerns me RE: his VP chances
Rainbow P.U.S.H. is having its annual conference in Chicago over the next few days and the following are scheduled to attend:

John Kerry
John Edwards
Dick Gephardt (with Kerry during a labor rally)
Howard Dean

I am not sure how invites are extended or the politics behind who participates but one would think that if Gen. Clark asked to participate he would have. While Rainbow P.U.S.H. is not as strong as the N.A.A.C.P. I believe that if Clark was to be taken seriously as a VP choice this would be on his schedule given the symbolism of appearing with Jesse Jackson. I know I am being paranoid, and while do not have my heart set on Wes being VP (I am in the Secretary of State, Secretary of Homeland Security Camp) I am disappointed that General Clark is not participating for whatever reason.
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 08:19 AM
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1. Expect the unexpected. n/t
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 08:20 AM
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2. well, those guys are elected officials, Clark has never been
and elected officials are more likely to get invites. dean isn't currently in elected office, but he was so he would be on the list.

so don't try to look too much into this.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 08:22 AM
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3. Clark managed to make it to a Rainbow PUSH event when . . .
. . .when he was a candidate. He is my guy and I am going to be hard on him. . .he should find a way to be there.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 08:27 AM
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4. do you know if he has anything else scheduled for this time ?
maybe he agreed to an event before he knew this was to take place. but as you said, clark was there before,and he has shown he doesn't have a problem in this area. it's not like there is a pattern of him avoiding or having problems with race relations. so i just wouldn't look too much into this. but i guess you can contact him through some email or his representatives and ask if he could attend.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 08:31 AM
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7. He was there when he needed votes. . .
. . .look I know I am being paranoid, but I just have a bad feeling about him not being there.
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returnable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:07 AM
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18. Don't sweat it.
He was probably already scheduled to order more Haitian man-tits or launch WWIII that day :hi:

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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:35 AM
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21. LOL
How have you been? What is new?
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returnable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:18 PM
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32. Doin' well, thanks
Was hoping to hit Frankie Z's tonight, but doesn't look like I'll be able to now. Bah!

I've been out of the loop far too long...
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funky_bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 08:27 AM
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5. Kerry has kept Clark really busy lately
As a fellow Clarkie, I'm sure you've noticed that everywhere you turn, there he is. Quite possibly, Clark has been dispatched somewhere else ;)

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 08:29 AM
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6. He's out as VP, you do know that?
Has nothing to do with him or his qualifications, but there is too much videotape of him praising Bush as president. One tape has him saying "Thank God George W Bush is our president." With that tape and with Clark on the ticket, the Republicans could fire all of their advertising writers and simply run that clip over and over again as their only commercial.

So, sorry, but there's no way Kerry gives Bush a present like that. IF he does, we can start planning for 2008. Clark may get another job if he wants it.

As for him not appearing at PUSH, I don't know what the dynamics there are. Might even be a scheduling conflict.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 08:33 AM
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8. Clark being Kerry's VP is not a present?. . .
Edited on Thu Jun-17-04 08:36 AM by wndycty
. . .,no it would be a HUGE asset! I am being paranoid, I am not sure how bad this is, but I want him there. I just think he could have figured a way for him to be there.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 08:33 AM
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9. That makes no sense
Meanwhile Kerry plays footsy with McCain and Nunn. Don't you get it? Bi-partisanship doesn't hurt in the GE.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 09:19 PM
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36. That's not bipartisanship
Nunn is a Democrat, btw, at least in name, though I think he's as bad as Miller.

Kerry burying his differences to choose McCain is bipartisanship. McCain has said good things about Bush, but if he sides with Kerry, he will be seen as a Republican who quit being partisan.

Clark on Kerry's ticket would look like opportunism, not bipartisanship. Clark didn't say nice things about Bush because he was in the party. And Clark didn't just say a little bit nice about Bush. He said "Thank God Bush is our president."

So whenever Kerry says "Bush has done a bad job on (fill in blank)," Bush just hits a tape recorder button and plays his VP saying "Thank God Bush is our president." Whenever Clark criticizes Bush, Bush plays the tape again. "Thank God Bush is our president." First, it isolates Kerry from his own VP, second, it makes his VP look like either a flip-flopper, or worse, a plain old opportunist with no concern for the nation.

Clark nor Kerry could overcome that. Bush wouldn't even have to develop a strategy. If that doesn't make sense to you, then I don't know what to say, but it is the simple truth.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 04:16 PM
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47. Bi-partisanship
Thats when both sides agree to work together to find a solution. Clark has said repeatedly that he will praise the president for things that were done right. That is exactly what middle America would want to see done. What they don't like about politics is when all you do is attack the other party regardless of the issue and common sense.

Many Democrats praised the Bushies after the successful Afghanistan invasion, somewhere there is an excellent post listing more than a dozen examples.

Sure the repukes can take snippets and play them over and over. Believe me they got those for every possible Veep candidate. You might as well give up now if you think we can't overcome that kind of thing with the right strategy.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 09:02 AM
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10. SO WHAT!!!
Edited on Thu Jun-17-04 09:04 AM by Anti Bush
Let them play it over and over. Who cares?! It will help all the disillusioned Republicans feel comfortable voting for a Kerry ticket.(They can secretly feel they are getting a Southern/Republican on the ticket and not just a Northern/Liberal.) Perfect way to get cross over votes. Bonus...They even get to pay for the ad. Hehehe!

Another thought...Kerry can also use the nice speech Bush gave at the unveiling of Clinton's portrait to show that when you're in the enemy's camp...you say nice things and you don't have to mean them. In other words it's just plain good manners and politically correct. What was he suppose to do...say something hateful?

Your agrument is pure nonsense!
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 09:22 PM
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37. Pure nonsense? Come on, think with your head
Republicans won't hear the message you want them to hear just because you would. They will hear Kerry's running mate clearly praising Kerry's opponent, implying that it's better to have a Republican than a Democrat as president. What did Clark mean by "Thank God Bush is our president?" He meant "Thank God a Democrat isn't." THAT's exactly what the south will hear. They will hear Kerry's running mate campaigning for Bush. Clark won't look like he's crossing over, he'll look like he's an opportunist trying to be VP.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 09:24 AM
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11. No I don't know that. He is IN !
He has it locked up. I would bet money on it.
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wjsander Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 09:36 AM
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12. Okay...
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:25 AM
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27. Count me in with you.
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cosmokramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 09:41 AM
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13. BULLSHIT!
That is the biggest full of shit argument I have heard in a long time...
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 09:42 AM
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14. How positively eloquent!
:eyes:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:14 AM
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20. I liked it!
Edited on Thu Jun-17-04 10:14 AM by in_cog_ni_to
Plain, simple....to the point! That's cosmo! :bounce:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 09:23 PM
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38. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
cosmokramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:40 PM
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43. At least I didn't spell 'moron' as 'moran' LOL
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:04 AM
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17. I think I will go with something that makes a little more sense.
Kerry said right off the bat that his VP would have foreign policy experience. And the guy doing the vetting, Johnson ?, repeated this yesterday.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:13 AM
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19. You're kidding, right? Look at this please.
I "think" I saved this from a DU post...so, whoever wrote it...Thank You! It comes in very handy at times like THIS!


If Wes Clark's opponents want to call him a republican because he once praised the defense team Bush had assembled and praised Bush for his handling of the war in Afghanistan, then we have a lot of republicans masquerading as democrats:

Tom Daschle: Shortly after the swearing in Senator Lott and I called the 107th Congress to order so that we could confirm the first seven of President Bush's cabinet choices. This was easy work as President Bush has done an excellent job with his cabinet selections. On Saturday, we confirmed Secretaries Colin Powell (Secretary of State), Paul O'Neill (Treasury), Ann Veneman (Agriculture), Don Evans (Commerce), Rod Paige (Education), Spence Abraham (Energy), and Don Rumsfeld (Defense). I met with almost all of these nominees in the previous weeks and I am enthusiastic about the chance to work closely with them."


Biden said this about Powell, during the confirmation hearing: "Without question, General Powell's experience at the highest levels of government and the conduct of foreign and defense policy and his experience in managing large organizations makes him well qualified to be secretary of state."

Biden, after Powell gave presentation to the Foreign Relations Committee: "I am proud to be associated with you. I think you did better than anyone could have because of your standing, your reputation and your integrity as it is understood by our European friends as well as others around the world."

Rumsfeld and Powell were confirmed handily, with little debate. While Rice did not require confirmation, she was an informal advisor to Democrat Gary Hart during his presidential bid and her appointment received praise from both democrats and republicans.

Gephardt, From a June 2002 VOA article: "In a wide-ranging speech in which he sounded very much like a presidential candidate, Mr. Gephardt praised President Bush's handling of the war in Afghanistan.

The Democratic rebuttal from House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt virtually echoed Bush's address. In a show of support, Gephardt did not argue a single one of Bush's points and even
praised the tax cut.

Gephardt: "I want to commend the president for his strong and patriotic message tonight."

Rep. Rick Larsen, D: "The president deserved a gold medal and a victory lap for the war on terrorism."

Howard Dean:  "George Bush is, I believe, in his soul a moderate." and added about those thinking that Mr. Bush's presidency would be a one-term one, "that is going to be a mistake."

Dean, September 2002, regarding Bush on Hussein's WMD:Dean, who now argues that he saw through Bush's charade from the beginning, said at the time, "I don't think he really has to prove anything. I think that most Americans, including myself, will take the president's word for it."

Joseph Lieberman: ...But he praised Bush's creation of a new multilateral, value-based foreign policy in response to the attacks. He cited Bush's Sept. 20 congressional address as an example of the President asserting his leadership.

"The people and the president face extraordinary challenges," he said. "Both have risen superbly."

...Lieberman praised Bush for being unyielding in his challenges to other nations and unflinching in his demand that they assist the fight against terrorism.


The two also appear divided on the Bush team's recent foray into the Israeli-Palestinian issue. On Sunday, Daschle said he did not have "any problem with what the president is doing in the Middle East now that he is engaged."


Pelosi also praised President Bush's "leadership" in supporting Sharon, whom the president declared to be "a man of peace."

Joseph Kennedy (former Mass. senator), praising Bush at the Justice Department ceremony: "Your strength since Sept. 11 has been a profile in leadership. You deserve the thanks of all who are committed to freedom from fear, and for all of us as Americans, we stand behind you and with you at this time," he said.

Sen. Edward Kennedy on Bush nominee Rod Paige: "Rod Paige comes to us highly recommended."

Sheila Jackson Lee, Democrat, on Paige: "I wish to tell you that he is a man committed to excellence, an educator who believes every child can learn and every child can succeed. Dr. Paige knows diversity in our community. Our children enjoy coming to school, they enjoy the classrooms... We feel safe when we send our children to school."

Andrew Cuomo, a democrat who ran for governor of NY: Bush "exemplified leadership at a time when America was desperate for a leader. He deserves credit, as do congressional Republicans, for recognizing the challenge of 9/11 and rising to it. Meanwhile, on the Democratic side, there was chaos. We handled 9/11 like it was a debate over a highway bill instead of a matter of people's lives."

Former U.S. House Speaker Jim Wright, Democrat:  ...praised President Bush on Wednesday for pulling the nation together after last week's terrorist attacks, but warned "the hard part is coming."

Wright, a Democrat, had kind words for Bush's speeches to the nation after the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. He said the Republican president's speech at a Washington prayer service Friday was "the best I've seen him give."

Tom Harkin, 2001: The administration's farm policy language was similar to proposals by Senate Agriculture Committee chairman Tom Harkin for up to $50,000 a year in conservation payments to farmers. The Iowa Democrat said he was pleased the administration "is focused on promoting conservation."

Daschle: On ABC's This Week, Tom Daschle called Condi Rice's thin answers to his questions "very helpful" and said they contributed to "constructive dialogue." Then, he said he was ready to work with the White House to draft a Senate resolution, ostensibly one that would authorize use of force, and may hold a vote on it before adjournment next month.

Biden: Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware, said he would work with Helms to move the nomination quickly. "At the present time, I foresee no problems," Biden said, calling Powell "a man of great integrity."

Carl Levin, D-Mich., ranking Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee called Rumsfeld "a strong choice."

Senator Evan Bayh, Democrat of Indiana, the new chairman of the DLC, on Bush's budget speech: "I think we have a real opportunity to make bipartisan progress." He praised Bush's support for education and a patients' bill of rights, and added, "I wholeheartedly endorse the President's call for major tax relief to get the economy moving again.

****************************

As you can see, there are many well-known leading democrats who had praise for President Bush or his nominees prior to September 2002. I did not include statements by Zell Miller, who truly is a republican in democratic clothing.

Democrats are foolish to bash other democrats who praised Bush, because it puts the "failure" on the democrats instead of where it truly belongs--on Bush. Democrats who praised Bush and his defense team early on weren't republicans in disguise; they weren't foolish--they were simply being fair and honest, which is what we democrats do. Cheney and Powell were both well-regarded for their work during the first Gulf War. Rice had excellent qualifications and was very respected. It is a mistake to think democrats and republicans are like cats and dogs and that their natural reaction toward one another should be one of enmity.

The focus should not be on whether democrats once, in the spirit of fairness, praised President Bush, who did indeed receive tremendous admiration from the populace for how he responded to September 11. The focus should be on how President Bush misled people. He pretended to be compassionate; he claimed he was "a uniter, not a divider." He claimed that he did not believe in nation building and that our military would be used in self-defense. He claimed that the Iraq War resolution was to be used to secure the peace, not considered a green light to go to war.

Bush is at fault and so is his defense team who have supported a neocon agenda and work hard to prop up his weak case on Iraq and who choose to aide Bush in his work deceiving the people.

In 2001/2002, there are many many people who were open-minded, willing to take Bush at his word (I confess, I was not one of them). Given his still high approval ratings, it's clear that many Americans do not see Bush as the threat many of us now see him to our country and to the world.

By the way, does anyone think Bush is actually a democrat because he praised Ted Kennedy in 2002?


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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:27 PM
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34. Thank you for that post incog.
I will be saving it.:)

The only thing that quote by Clark shows is that early on, he was willing to be fair minded and give the Bush administration the benefit of the doubt. Most other Democrats were adopting the same attitude.

That will only serve to demonstrate that his opposition to Bush is not partisan in nature but because he genuinely believes that Bush is damaging this country.

Those who take the time to actually read the entire content of the speech will see that even then, Clark was subtly criticising the administration for moving away from multilateralism, and alienating our allies.

Being a diplomatic person, Clark was then framing his criticism in general praise, but it definitely shows that he already had some very real concerns.

If Clark is the running mate, and the Repugs try to use that one speech, I think it will boomerang on them pretty severely.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 09:30 PM
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40. C'mon!
You can't see the difference between political niceties, and a few bones thrown Bush's way congratulating him on specific incidences, and a heartfelt, loud cry "Thank God George W Bush is our president?"

Have you seen the clip?

I promise you that when Bush's moderate supporters see Ted Kennedy saying stiffly "Nice choice for undersecretary of whatever, there, Mr. Bush," they see forced politeness and political diplomacy. When they hear Wesley Clark passionately proclaiming that which is in their very soul, thanking their God that Bush is their president, they will see a big difference, even if you don't.
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Scoopie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:27 AM
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28. No - I don't know that
considering that it would make A LOT of disgruntled Republicans and Independents who voted for Bush feel better that they were also duped and can certainly change their mind and vote against him now.
This did more damage to Clark in the primaries than it ever could in the general election.
I think many fence sitters would respond well to Clark's saying, "Yeah. I thought they'd do a good job. I was wrong. Look what a mess they've made and I'm trying to correct it. How 'bout you join me?"
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 09:32 PM
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41. Well, I like Clark, but I pray to God that we don't find out
Edited on Thu Jun-17-04 09:33 PM by jobycom
because Kerry can hang it up if he chooses Clark. At the very best, he might survive Clark, but he will spend more time defending him than he will attacking Bush or defining his own plans.

And for full disclosure, I don't believe in God, and I think Clark would be an excellent VP-- better than the other choices. But he will be an albatross on the ticket.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 02:25 PM
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45. This election will turn on the 10 or 15 percent undecided in the middle
The best VP would be an independent, like Clark has been for much of his life. The fact that he is not an insider, that he in fact had an open mind about Bush before Bush defined himself through his actions would actually benefit the ticket. Such an ad by Bush could easily play into the hands of the Democrats, allowing Clark to state that he changed his mind about Bush, and citing all the reasons why. That posture would best appeal to those few million voters who haven't completely made up their minds about this election. But the vast majority on either the left or right have already made up their minds.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 09:48 AM
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15. maybe he just had a scheduling conflict
Do we even know if he was asked? Do we know if he asked them?
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:37 AM
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22. We don;t know nothing. . .
. . .but as a major Clark supporter I am disappointed he is not participating. Its not a blame game thing, was he invited? Was he not? Who knows. . .I just wish that he would participate.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:48 AM
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24. I understand
I know you do and I understand why you are disapointed. Give your guy the benefit of the doubt.
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 09:50 AM
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16. I wouldn't read much into it.
Probably just a scheduling conflict.:shrug:
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:45 AM
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23. I saw Clark on TV making statement about future plans.
It did not involve politics. It involves business ventures. I take this to mean he knows he will not be asked to be V.P.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:53 AM
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25. I disagree
No one can act like they have nothing else to do if they are not selected as VP. If Clark is not VP, there is still a good chance he will be asked to serve in a Kerry Administration in some other role, which would of course conflict with all of those business plans also. What can Clark be expected to say: "I'm waiting around to see what job Kerry offers me, and if Kerry can't find something for me, I guess I can always do something in business?" Clark may well not be the VP choice, but they all have to act like they are not counting on anything from Kerry, it's the way the game is played. It is easier for current office holders, they can simply say they plan to continue serving the public in their current position.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:56 AM
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26. I agree with Tom. . .
. . .I think Clark will be a part of a Kerry administration. I am probably being paranoid because I see Clark missing the Rainbow PUSH conference as an indication he is not up for VP (I HAVE BEEN WRONG BEFORE!), however I am confident he will be a part of a Kerry administration.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 12:31 PM
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44. I stand corrected.
You are all correctomundo. Of course they have to say they have other plans, etc.

Must've been a brain glitch I had. (Plus he just sounded so sincere---I actually believed a politician!)
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:31 AM
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30. You'll do well to follow his schedule lately. For months now - campaigning
in the country and abroad. That's why Blitzer couldn't take seriously his boinler plate "i am in business now" and said "I am talking to the presumptive VP". Because even he knows that this is BS. It's sad when on DU someone proves less sharp that anyone on CNN.
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Scoopie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:31 AM
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31. How many times are you going to say this?
You say it in nearly every thread and, in nearly every thread, someone tells you over and over and over again that it's not becoming to act as though you want to be VP - unlike certain "pick me, pick me" tactics a certain North Carolina senator has been employing (and it ain't Sugarlips).
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:23 PM
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33. hazard a guess?
Until just after Kerry announces his veep :eyes:
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Scoopie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:28 AM
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29. Do we know he's not going to be there
or is the press simply ignoring him again?

Seriously, at this point, I wouldn't put it past them. The national media sucks.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:56 PM
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35. I think you're reading too much into this. Think of it this way:
What is the purpose of the event? It's undoubtedly to rally Rainbow/PUSH around Kerry, no? So these elected or formerly elected officials are there to bring their various Rainbow/PUSH constituencies to the party, to get people to rally around Kerry.

I know that's why Dean is there; he enjoyed enormous support from Rainbow/PUSH and is now trying to help transfer some of that to Kerry.

Clark may have some scheduling conflict you don't know about. I seriously doubt this has much to do with Kerry's choice of running mate. There are other important things going on, you know--like trying to get Kerry elected, regardless of who his choice of running mate is.

You'll probably find out later that Clark was working elsewhere in just this effort.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 09:29 PM
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39. Honestly, I don't see Clark as a likely candidate
Kerry already has more real military experience on the ticket than Bush and Cheney combined. I just think adding more does not get him all that much closer to a victory.

A review of the record suggests that Kerry would be better off with a Govenor rather than a General on the ticket. Most Senators that have made it to the Whitehouse as either Pres or VP did it on a ticket with a Govenor or former VP.

I like Wes as well. I think he would be a stellar replacement for Rummy at Defense or Powell at State or even Ridge at HS. I would be
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YellowDawgDemocrat Donating Member (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 09:56 PM
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42. I have to hand it to you Clark supporters...
If nothing else, you guys are loyal...blindly so.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 03:43 PM
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46. Exactly what is "blind" about truly believing in someone??
I think it shows the ability of Clark to draw passionate and dedicated supporters. And THAT would be a huge asset on Kerry's ticket.
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