So you won't vote for Kerry if he chooses [insert name here] for VP?

[funky_bug]

Poll question: So you won't vote for Kerry if he chooses [insert name here] for VP?

On Edit: Which VP pick would cause you NOT to vote for Kerry... get it?

Alright - this may be the pot calling the kettle black, but this VP thing is getting CRAZY! So, among the many MANY polls about who we would like selected, we now have, "Will you vote for Kerry if he chooses..." Amazingly, some of us are saying "No" (though few of them have the nerve to claim their vote.)

So THIS poll (call it poll #6876354) is for those individuals who will NOT vote for Kerry if he chooses (insert name here.)

Alright, so lets just let Kerry know how many votes he'll lose if he chooses a candidate you despise. *groans*

[Wickerman]

1. even Zell Miller

the stakes are too high - the mandate of Bush* with a second term? We'd never have elections again.

[freetobegay]

2. No matter who Kerry picks

He's got my vote!

On edit: Although I hope it's Clark! :)

[funky_bug]

4. I'm right there with you...

I'm just amazed at the fact that Kerry's running mate would actually matter to fellow Democrats... Independants and disenchanted Republicans, yes, but Democrats? I fail to see how Bush and Cheney would be better than any number of Kerry's number two prospects.

[jdsmith]

3. Someone voted for EDWARDS?

Egad.

This is about who will LOSE your vote, right?

[funky_bug]

5. Yes

I stated it clearly - Which VP pick would cause you NOT to vote for Kerry? I'll edit.

[MasonJar]

6. I think voters misunderstood. However, ABB is my vote. Its

Kerry's perogative; I just hope he chooses someone who will help us take this teflon crowd down. The atrocities are in the 100's now and people do NOT even notice.

[HawkerHurricane]

7. "Other"

If Kerry picks Dick Cheney, I'm outta here.

[Redneck Socialist]

8. McCain's a deal breaker for me.

Sorry.

[Midloman]

9. I fibbed just a little.

I did cast my vote for Edwards as least favorite choice. To be really truthful, I'd vote for Kerry running with the corpse of a dead cat as VP. I know the cat wouldn't veto any bills, but it wouldn't lie to me, either.

JRE seems to be a peach of a guy, and I like his message - but this time, this place - No. I want someone with the experience, the knowledge, the international esteem to be able to hit the ground running. Who amoung the possible picks do you think would be best prepared to handle an attack greater then 9/11 on 11/9 If Kerry were taken out?

I'd pick the one who could raise 50,000 Muslim troops from Kosovo if he said he needed them. He wouldn't need to ask twice, either.

:nuke:

General Clark is the one I'd be happy with.

[funky_bug]

10. *smacking the back of your hand*

NO CHEATING!

x(

[BootinUp]

12. me too, heh

I would take my vote back, but its not possible. :)

[funky_bug]

14. Producing Paddle...

Okay you guys... I like a good jab as much as the next guy, but y'all are wicked!

:spank:

[BootinUp]

15. it was very unlike me

I feel sooo wicked :evilgrin:

[funky_bug]

16. Very unlike YOU?

Puleez, Jim... you and I have been hanging in the same circle for a long time now... don't think I don't know better...

}(

[quinnox]

11. A surprise, Edwards seems to be running away with it

I suspect some Clarkies might be giving him a bad time, lol.

[funky_bug]

13. I suspect the same

Come on fellow Clarkies... if you're messin' wit my poll, you're not flying under the radar. LOL.

Honestly, I can ALMOST understand the McCain/Zinni votes... but Edwards ain't all bad... he certainly ain't Dick.

[cg]

17. Unable to vote in this one - can't see not voting for Kerry. . .

As much as I would be disappointed about Edwards, it's sooooo important to get rid of Bush, I couldn't withhold my vote from Kerry.

We have to clean house - The White House, that is :-) (And the House & Senate as well.)

[tom_paine]

18. Why all the anti-Edwards sentiment?

He won't be better than Wes Clark, IMHO, but he will be OK.

What's everybody's problem with Edawrds?

(Full Disclosure: I voted Gephart)

[Doosh]

19. the primaries

Alot of hatred towards Edwards because he came from way behind to beat Clark in the primaries. In a way, he sort of stopped Clark's "entitled ascent".

[funky_bug]

21. Interesting version of recent history, but...

The hatred towards some Edwards supporters may have come as a direct result of the badgering we got from that camp (here on DU) when Edwards wasn't up to par with Kerry in votes garnered. The popular sentiment was that we needed to stop supporting/voting for Clark and get behind Edwards because we were "splitting the vote" and causing Edwards to lose. We were flamed at, spat at, and likened to Ralph Nader... all because we failed to smell the aroma of roses eminating from Edwards.

Not many of us have forgotten how we were dismissed and belittled... how Edward's supporters gloated when Clark dropped out of the race.

[BootinUp]

25. This version rings true

In addition, when I re-visited GD2004 the last day or two, I find I still need to defend Clark against the same type of smears the wingnuts and the lefties used on him in the primaries.

No matter how hard he has worked for Kerry the same garbage is being spewed. :eyes:

[Scoopie]

27. Gee... I didn't know about all that!

I was too busy working for Clark to see all that here on DU.
The reason I don't like Edwards has less to do with his supporters and more to do with him. I just don't think he's ready to be second-in-command as a national and world leader.

I always wondered how the flaming started, though.

Oh... and my vote for Edwards was the truth. :)

[Adelante]

54. It didn't even take that long

The day after Iowa is when I first witnessed a complete and utter turnaround among some Edwards supporters from nice people into perfect monsters. And it only got worse from there. I do like and respect many Edwardians here on DU, but the ones I remember from the primary were mean and nasty. However, that has nothing to do with my belief that Edwards is unacceptable for the VP position in the post-9/11 era. If Kerry picks Edwards, I will vote Kerry-Edwards, but forgiving the vile treatment we received at the hands of that segment of his supporters is out of the question. May they rot in hell.

[BootinUp]

56. Oh I'd vote for the ticket too

Don't misunderstand me, I was airing stuff out a wee bit is all. :)

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[Midloman]

20. It's just experience.

I have no problem with Edwards, he's just wet behind the ears as far as running the country is concerned. We are at war with a resourceful and determined enemy. I want somone who can take over in a heartbeat. This is no OJT program for a junior Senator, no matter how sunny his disposition is. JE did say that he would have also done the Iraq invasion - that's not evil, it's inexperience that made him think that way. If you are going to do it, do it right to minimize casualties. In this case, the Powell Doctrine was the correct way to accomplish both missions, and one at a time - not concurrent. We are about to lose both because Rumsfeld thought he had a better idea, and GWB was too (inexperienced, stupid, ideological, bull-headed, whatever) to know better. I think if you are to be in the position to be thrust into the post of CinC, it helps you focus if you've seen (and maybe produced) dead people before, not just watched Ronald Reagan propoganda films about it.

This requires someone with the BS detector set on overload.:thumbsdown:

[x_y_no]

22. What's everybody's problem with Edwards?

How do I dislike Edwards? Let me count the ways ...

He's a foreign policy lightweight, he's a trial lawyer, he took part in authoring the "Patriot Act", he maintained throughout that he would have invaded Iraq just like Bush did ...

There's more.

That said, even though I voted for Edwards here, choosing him as VP wouldn't actually prevent me from voting Kerry. It would quite likely stop me from volunteering actively for the campaign, though.

[tom_paine]

37. "He took part in authoring the unPATRIOT Act"?!?

:wtf: :wtf:

You CANNOT make an assertion like that without backing it up!

Show me some proof.

[Midloman]

38. Google is a useful tool.

Start here: http://dotpeople.com/archives/000034.html

Not all that incriminating, IMHO, but 'twas done.

What I find interesting, was that the speech that is quoted was made 30 - just 30 days after the 9/11 attack.. As I recall, most of this time the congressional offices were closed for Anthrax. Just when was this thing written?

[tom_paine]

57. Your link is not corroborative

Did you see the linked article at the bottom? "Edwards: AG has abused power of the unPATRIOT Act"

Plus, and though it is not fully exonerating, Congress was LIED TO.

Operating of the false information of Evil Men. manipulated and maneuver and bullied as Hitler did the Reichstag.

No, your link is far from damning.

[RafterMan]

26. What's everybody's problem with Edawrds?

I haven't absolutely decided to veto if he's on the ticket, so I didn't vote in this poll.

But my problem is primarily the war. I liked him less and less the more I looked at him, then the shoulder-to-shoulder position he took with Bush and Lieberman on Iraq drove me right over the edge.

I'd be happy with plenty of non-Clark VPs, but I don't want a war supporter.

(edited some inflamatory language)

[Zorra]

23. More votes against Edwards than McCain right now. Pathetic.

Probably the same type of "Democrats" that voted for Ronald Reagan and are subsequently partly responsible for Bu$h and the demise of our freedom.

Please stop trying to make our party the Republican Jr. Varsity.

[Scoopie]

28. Actually, as I point out frequently on this board

not everyone here is a Democrat.
I'm an Independent and I happen to like McCain and Zinni.
Just so you know that I'm not trying to turn your party into Republican Jr. - I'm just more of a moderate.

[Midloman]

29. Let's keep priorities clear.

I'd vote for McCain if it meant George would go. See, - this isn't about party - it's about the future of Democracy in America. I never thought I'd live in a USA in which the cancellation of a Presidential election is seriously discussed without tinfoil hats. In this USA, you can be locked away without due process on accusation alone (thanks, JRE). x(

Republicans will vote for for the chimp because he's all they have. If we can siphon moderate republicans away from the neocons by giving these moderates a chance to feel welcome at the table of bipartisan discourse, its good for all of us. I'll worry about reclaiming the left end of the party later.

[JVS]

55. I'm disgusted too

[Dying Eagle]

30. I will vote...

for John Kerry even if he picked Satan has his running mate. WE HAVE NO CHOICE, YOU PEOPLE ACT LIKE YOU WANT 4 MORE YEARS OF SHRUB.

I guess there might be a spot for you all at the Free Republic, Jesus Christ!! :grr: :nuke: :mad:

[mzmolly]

45. LOL

Chill comrade. ;) They'll come around. :hi:

[mzmolly]

31. They'll come around. I can't believe that Edwards merits such disdain?

Must be the War vote/additude?

Either that or the Freep vote? ;)

[wiley]

33. Anybody But Johnny Edwards

Excuse me, but right before going into war in Iraq Edwards and his wife bought LOTS of stock in military companies. They made a Killing. Now, what was the difference again between Edwards and Cheney? He's cute? The media likes to dress him up?

Hey, this is a poll about who would lose my vote for Kerry. I would hold my tongue and vote Kerry/Lindsay Graham, for example, but Edwards is a deal breaker. Kerry/Clark, Kerry/Biden, Kerry/Vilsack, Kerry/Richardson, Kerry/Nunn even. (Although that last one would be especially painful)

A Kerry/Edwards ticket would actually lose to Bush/Cheney, so a vote for Edwards is a vote for Bush/Cheney.

[mzmolly]

34. I think the rivalry between Clark and Edwards supporters is evident

based on the results of this poll ;)

A vote for Kerry/Edwards is a vote for Bush/Cheney ??? :crazy:

[Midloman]

36. More evident then real...

We're shouting past each other for sure...

Bear with me and I'll tell a short story. I spent the last 25 years in Seattle and for many years I had 4 season tickets to the Seahawks Football games. For those of you not complete football junkies - we had a spectacular wide receiver named Steve Largent. I mean this guy was a ghost on the field. He wasn't the fastest guy around, but he had a true gift for being where his defender was not. He was smart, disciplined, had a work ethic that wouldn't quit, was a heck of a nice guy - nobody had a bad thing to say about him. When at last he retired from sports, he returned to his home state of Oklahoma and ran for congress. And won. In this place, at this time, under the same circumstances, I wouldn't vote for him either.

Clark's integrity and empathy make me choose him over the many other experienced choices. His leadership experience make me choose him over Edwards. I don't need other dark rumored reasons, this one is sufficient. It's not any failing of Edwards - he just hasn't paid his dues. He's measured and found a bit light.

That simple, no matter how personal the Edwards folks want to make it.

[faithfulcitizen]

32. none of the above! :) eom

[WI_DEM]

35. oh, come on--42% say if Edwards were the nominee they

wouldn't vote for that ticket, at this point!!?? Would anyone mind explaining?

[RafterMan]

39. 42% of those who choose to exercise a veto

You'll notice that there is no "none of the above" option.

[Adelante]

58. Old fashioned chain-yanking nt

[JohnKleeb]

40. christ some of you are immature

You're telling me, you seriously wouldnt vote for Kerry because of the VP. God, these are the times when I do wish I were just an idsy bitsie older so I could vote. I dont care who the VP is, yes I wuold like Edwards perhaps but if its Clark, or you name it. I'll work to make John Kerry's presidency a reality. Jeez guys, really now, no VP choice is truely perfect. Sorry if I sound upset but christ y'all, supporting the nominee and voting for him doesnt mean, the nominee has to cave in to my demands and pick my fave. Things dont always go the way we want them, but you have to deal with it. If we thought like that the party would be in shambles. I am sorry but I'll support Kerry no matter what.

[JohnKleeb]

41. dupe

[GOPBasher]

42. You forgot a choice for, "Kerry has my vote no matter who the VP is."

That's the one I would've picked.

[JohnKleeb]

43. dude totally

thats right.

[mzmolly]

44. This polls been *creeped*

;) :hi:

Creeps = Clarkies who voted nasty cause they don't want Edwards on the ticket ;)

Not insulting all Clark supporters mmk?

[cosmokramer]

51. How do you know it was just Clarkies??? You assume too much.

[funky_bug]

52. And some call US delusional n/t

[Catholic Sensation]

46. How is it that if he picks a fellow dem, more of you won't vote than if he

picks a republican? I'm just totally not understanding the psycosis what would lead to such stupid results. Maybe somebody in the 2/5 can explain this to me.

[bigwillq]

47. I am voting for Kerry no matter who he picks

Even if it's Anna Nicole Smith (hey, imagine the debates with the selected VP, which one is more dumb?!)

Hi Wife_of_A_Wes_Freak
Long time, no see!

[cosmokramer]

48. Kerry could pick his nose and I would still vote against Bush.

[Catholic Sensation]

49. this really is borderline psychotic

some people on here a genuinely mentally ill. The best dem for the job has the plurality of the votes. Some people are either really fucking selfish, or really fucking stupid, and in this case the difference is negligible.

[funky_bug]

50. I think sufficient time has passed

My entire point was this: We are a small small microcosmic slice of the U.S. In our debating on who should be what, and when, where and how, let's all try to act like adults and keep our cool. After all, judging by the results of my little poll, Kerry's choice will cost him a big whopping 49 votes... 47 if you deduct the two who admitted they were "creeping" (as mzmolly so nicely put it) the poll.

49 votes people. Nothing to see here. Back to your regularly scheduled election.

[wellstone dem]

53. I'm voting for Kerry

Unless he puts Bush or Cheney on the ticket.