Look who's down with ABB!

[mzmolly]

RALPH NADER (In Swing States):P
JOHN RENSENBRINK *Co Founder of the Green Party US
MICHAEL MOORE
HOWARD ZINN
NOAM CHOMSKY
NORMAN SOLOMON
MICHAEL PARENTI
JIM HIGHTOWER
MEDEA BENJAMIN
TED GLICK
ROBERT MCCHESNEY
MATT DENNER
JOEL KOVEL
JEFF COHEN
CHALMERS JOHNSON
LAWRENCE LESSING
EDWARD HERMAN
JOHN SCHAEFFER
DOUG HENWOOD
MICHAEL LEON
AMANDA GRISCOM
DEB CALLAHAN
NICK NYHART
DAVID HAYES
PHIL DONAHUE
BONNIE RAIT
ANI DEFRANCO
BARBARA LEE
MOLLY IVINS
GRANNY D

Read what some of these progressives are saying here:

http://changein04.com/kerryRecord/qOnKerry.php

"We have several choices to make. The first is whether we want to pay attention to the real world, or prefer to keep to abstract discussions suitable to some seminar. Suppose we adopt the first alternative. Then there is another choice: electing Bush or seeking to prevent his election." Noam Chomsky - 2004

"But all of that aside, now we face the reality of an Administration that is absolutely nutty. There's that old country song, "It felt so good when it stopped hurting." So we've got to stop the pain. But in doing so, we should not fool ourselves that we have gained some progressive victory. What we will have done is to get us back to a ground level where we can build again for a progressive victory that is several years down the road." - November, 2003 ~ Jim Hightower

Feel free to add more progressive names to the list :hi:

1. How can Nader be supporting Kerry?

He wants Bush elected, haven't you heard?
Or at least his supporters do from what I understand from one source of information I view a lot.
O8) :evilgrin:

[mzmolly]

3. Nader talks out both sides of his arse.

That's how ... ;)

5. so he really is a politician!

:evilfrown:


Damn.

[mzmolly]

6. ROTFLMAO!!!

:hi:

[MoonRiver]

7. Nader is ABB

as long as that means him.

8. where's your sense of humor?

and I beg to differ about your opinion of Nader, although I understand why you would have that opinion.

[CWebster]

2. not so sure I would call it "support"

Most likely they would be "supporting" ABB.

[mzmolly]

4. Right. I should change the title....

:hi:

Edited for you CWebster :hug:

[nightperson]

9. Thank you very much.

I had been meaning to point out, in my own less polite way, that Nader negaters here like myself may be thoroughly degenerate and distasteful :P but if you flame our "attacks" you're also flaming The Daily Kos, Altercation, Atrios, Talking Points Memo, Buzzflash, The Nation, etc. etc. and generally everyone from Norman Solomon to Todd Gitlin.

The Nader %'s in various polls? Folks, can you imagine the shit we'd be pulling if Buchanan or another well-known conservative was running? How many here would tell a pollster "I'm voting for Kerry", instead of (weeping) "Buchanan or Death! He's our only hope! I've never been so serious! It's so important! Bush should step aside for a purist! No sell out!"?

[Mike L]

10. Nader is still going after swing states.

He's an egotistical maniac.

[mzmolly]

11. Zinn and Chomsky favor a safe state approach.

http://www.counterpunch.com/

hmmm, Then why not support Cobb I wonda?

[trogdor]

13. Zinn and Chomsky are both full of crap.

Hate to say it, but think about it for a minute. I live in a safe blue state (NY). If I get on DU talking about "well, I'd vote Kerry if I lived in a swing state, but I don't, and I can't stand Kerry, so I'm voting for Nader," I'm not only talking to my neighbors in New York State, but to my other neighbors in Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and other places that aren't so safely bluem an undermining my goal, which is to SEND GEORGE W. BUSH BACK TO TEXAS. Therefore, if you're for Nader, even if you live on the Left Coast, you're still part of the problem and you need to take that stuff elsewhere besides DU.

My $0.02. God, I hate repeating myself.

[mzmolly]

15. Look I'm with you.

:hi:

I find many of Nader's supporters are confused because he is not being clear as to his agenda. What he's doing now I fear is trolling and gently reeling people in. Then as the election draws near, *provided he gets the GP nomination* he'll change his tune again. *Imagine that?*

[Larkspur]

12. Chomsky & Zinn said that they are voting for Nader

Chomsky says that in safe states a vote for Nader is not a vote for Bush.

...in response to an email query from this reporter, Chomsky wrote, “Voting for Nader in a safe state is fine. That's what I'll do. I don't see how anyone could read what I wrote and think otherwise, just from the elementary logic of it. Voting for Nader in a safe state is not a vote for Bush. The point I made had to do with (effectively) voting for Bush.”

Zinn says the same thing...
In another email exchange, Howard Zinn stated, “I will vote for Nader because Mass. is a safe state. And voters in ‘safe states’ should not vote for Kerry.” He also notes, “I don't have faith in Kerry changing, but with Kerry there is a possibility that a powerful social movement might change him. With Bush, no chance.”

Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn Plan to Vote for Ralph Nader
http://www.counterpunch.org/bates06252004.html

[mzmolly]

14. Right, I posted the link above. But they support a safe state approach.

I find many on that side of the political spectrum are struggling and are not quite sure how to proceed?

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

16. So add two more idiots to the list

Nader is just fellating his ego, nothing more. You would have to be pretty naive to vote for him.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

17. Noam Chomsky is no idiot, he's an highly educated person

I'm certainly not endorsing what he's doing, but he made a judgement call how his conscience sees it. I am only going to worry about who votes for who in swing states. If someone votes Nader in NY or MASS I still seriously doubt the republicans will even come within 10% of the Kerry vote.