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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 12:09 PM
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Republicans want Edwards for Veep! They finally admitted it.
Wolf Blitzer's guest (Republican Strategist )Scott Reed says Democrats should pick Edwards...that everyone wants Edwards..if we don't he warned we would hear a big THUD. But I think that thud might be George Bush falling on his face again.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 12:10 PM
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1. Why in the world would we take their advice?
they don't want us to win! Why would we ever think they have our best interests in mind when giving these suggestions?
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 12:22 PM
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4. Sorry, you missed my point!
The reason you will hear that THUD Of Bush hitting the floor/bottle is because we DIDN'T pick Edwards (his easy prey) and picked Clark instead...the one who will beat the sh*t out of him.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 12:24 PM
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5. I caught your point...
Edited on Wed Jun-30-04 12:25 PM by sirjwtheblack
I was just making a parallel point, if you will. :hi: :toast: Should've been more specific - my bad!

Their arrogance pisses me off is what I'm trying to say. Who are they to give US suggestions?!
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 12:39 PM
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7. NO, my bad! I didn't say that very well!
:toast:
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filterfish Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 01:35 PM
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18. wrong, Clark's a primadonna...Cheney will Cheney him up good - n/t
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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 01:36 PM
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19. Care to make a small wager? n/t
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 01:42 PM
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20. A Primadonna?
Hahahahahahaha! That's funny. 34 years in the military? and he's a primadonna? hahahahahahahahaha! He probably didn't own a mirror the entire time he was serving YOUR country. :eyes: He was the President of the West Point debate team......he'll clean the floor with Cheney. I can't wait to see it!
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filterfish Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 05:11 PM
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31. yes, a primadonna
like macarthur, montegomery and napoleon, et al

debtate skills don't mean jack, lieberman's performance against cheney hurt gore, though i'm not sure joe technically lost the debate

the real thing that bothers me with clark is that he's a republican and more of 5th column than a true counterweight to the bush-cheney war ticket, look at his waffles on iraq...if you want a general out there capable of spitting nails at cheney pick someone less refined like zinni
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 05:16 PM
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32. He's not a repub and
has NEVER been a repub. Sorry. Facts are facts and you have yours wrong. Wes Clark served in the military for 34 years. When one serves in the military, they do not declare a party. He also lives in Arkansas where you don't declare a party. He Is a Democrat who voted for Clinton, Clinton and Gore. He's NEVER been a repub.
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filterfish Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 05:29 PM
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33. right, he just voted for them, speaks at their fundraisers...
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 05:34 PM
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34. So what.
A lot of Democrats have voted for repubs 30 years ago. :eyes:

Here's a list you can read of Dems saying nice things about the idiot-in-chief, Rumsfeld, Cheney, ect..... He's not the Lone Ranger.

If Wes Clark's opponents want to call him a republican because he once praised the defense team Bush had assembled and praised Bush for his handling of the war in Afghanistan, then we have a lot of republicans masquerading as democrats:

Tom Daschle: Shortly after the swearing in Senator Lott and I called the 107th Congress to order so that we could confirm the first seven of President Bush's cabinet choices. This was easy work as President Bush has done an excellent job with his cabinet selections. On Saturday, we confirmed Secretaries Colin Powell (Secretary of State), Paul O'Neill (Treasury), Ann Veneman (Agriculture), Don Evans (Commerce), Rod Paige (Education), Spence Abraham (Energy), and Don Rumsfeld (Defense). I met with almost all of these nominees in the previous weeks and I am enthusiastic about the chance to work closely with them."


Biden said this about Powell, during the confirmation hearing: "Without question, General Powell's experience at the highest levels of government and the conduct of foreign and defense policy and his experience in managing large organizations makes him well qualified to be secretary of state."

Biden, after Powell gave presentation to the Foreign Relations Committee: "I am proud to be associated with you. I think you did better than anyone could have because of your standing, your reputation and your integrity as it is understood by our European friends as well as others around the world."

Rumsfeld and Powell were confirmed handily, with little debate. While Rice did not require confirmation, she was an informal advisor to Democrat Gary Hart during his presidential bid and her appointment received praise from both democrats and republicans.

Gephardt, From a June 2002 VOA article: "In a wide-ranging speech in which he sounded very much like a presidential candidate, Mr. Gephardt praised President Bush's handling of the war in Afghanistan.

The Democratic rebuttal from House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt virtually echoed Bush's address. In a show of support, Gephardt did not argue a single one of Bush's points and even
praised the tax cut.

Gephardt: "I want to commend the president for his strong and patriotic message tonight."

Rep. Rick Larsen, D: "The president deserved a gold medal and a victory lap for the war on terrorism."

Howard Dean:  "George Bush is, I believe, in his soul a moderate." and added about those thinking that Mr. Bush's presidency would be a one-term one, "that is going to be a mistake."

Dean, September 2002, regarding Bush on Hussein's WMD:Dean, who now argues that he saw through Bush's charade from the beginning, said at the time, "I don't think he really has to prove anything. I think that most Americans, including myself, will take the president's word for it."

Joseph Lieberman: ...But he praised Bush's creation of a new multilateral, value-based foreign policy in response to the attacks. He cited Bush's Sept. 20 congressional address as an example of the President asserting his leadership.

"The people and the president face extraordinary challenges," he said. "Both have risen superbly."

...Lieberman praised Bush for being unyielding in his challenges to other nations and unflinching in his demand that they assist the fight against terrorism.


The two also appear divided on the Bush team's recent foray into the Israeli-Palestinian issue. On Sunday, Daschle said he did not have "any problem with what the president is doing in the Middle East now that he is engaged."


Pelosi also praised President Bush's "leadership" in supporting Sharon, whom the president declared to be "a man of peace."

Joseph Kennedy (former Mass. senator), praising Bush at the Justice Department ceremony: "Your strength since Sept. 11 has been a profile in leadership. You deserve the thanks of all who are committed to freedom from fear, and for all of us as Americans, we stand behind you and with you at this time," he said.

Sen. Edward Kennedy on Bush nominee Rod Paige: "Rod Paige comes to us highly recommended."

Sheila Jackson Lee, Democrat, on Paige: "I wish to tell you that he is a man committed to excellence, an educator who believes every child can learn and every child can succeed. Dr. Paige knows diversity in our community. Our children enjoy coming to school, they enjoy the classrooms... We feel safe when we send our children to school."

Andrew Cuomo, a democrat who ran for governor of NY: Bush "exemplified leadership at a time when America was desperate for a leader. He deserves credit, as do congressional Republicans, for recognizing the challenge of 9/11 and rising to it. Meanwhile, on the Democratic side, there was chaos. We handled 9/11 like it was a debate over a highway bill instead of a matter of people's lives."

Former U.S. House Speaker Jim Wright, Democrat:  ...praised President Bush on Wednesday for pulling the nation together after last week's terrorist attacks, but warned "the hard part is coming."

Wright, a Democrat, had kind words for Bush's speeches to the nation after the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. He said the Republican president's speech at a Washington prayer service Friday was "the best I've seen him give."

Tom Harkin, 2001: The administration's farm policy language was similar to proposals by Senate Agriculture Committee chairman Tom Harkin for up to $50,000 a year in conservation payments to farmers. The Iowa Democrat said he was pleased the administration "is focused on promoting conservation."

Daschle: On ABC's This Week, Tom Daschle called Condi Rice's thin answers to his questions "very helpful" and said they contributed to "constructive dialogue." Then, he said he was ready to work with the White House to draft a Senate resolution, ostensibly one that would authorize use of force, and may hold a vote on it before adjournment next month.

Biden: Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware, said he would work with Helms to move the nomination quickly. "At the present time, I foresee no problems," Biden said, calling Powell "a man of great integrity."

Carl Levin, D-Mich., ranking Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee called Rumsfeld "a strong choice."

Senator Evan Bayh, Democrat of Indiana, the new chairman of the DLC, on Bush's budget speech: "I think we have a real opportunity to make bipartisan progress." He praised Bush's support for education and a patients' bill of rights, and added, "I wholeheartedly endorse the President's call for major tax relief to get the economy moving again.

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As you can see, there are many well-known leading democrats who had praise for President Bush or his nominees prior to September 2002. I did not include statements by Zell Miller, who truly is a republican in democratic clothing.

Democrats are foolish to bash other democrats who praised Bush, because it puts the "failure" on the democrats instead of where it truly belongs--on Bush. Democrats who praised Bush and his defense team early on weren't republicans in disguise; they weren't foolish--they were simply being fair and honest, which is what we democrats do. Cheney and Powell were both well-regarded for their work during the first Gulf War. Rice had excellent qualifications and was very respected. It is a mistake to think democrats and republicans are like cats and dogs and that their natural reaction toward one another should be one of enmity.

The focus should not be on whether democrats once, in the spirit of fairness, praised President Bush, who did indeed receive tremendous admiration from the populace for how he responded to September 11. The focus should be on how President Bush misled people. He pretended to be compassionate; he claimed he was "a uniter, not a divider." He claimed that he did not believe in nation building and that our military would be used in self-defense. He claimed that the Iraq War resolution was to be used to secure the peace, not considered a green light to go to war.

Bush is at fault and so is his defense team who have supported a neocon agenda and work hard to prop up his weak case on Iraq and who choose to aide Bush in his work deceiving the people.

In 2001/2002, there are many many people who were open-minded, willing to take Bush at his word (I confess, I was not one of them). Given his still high approval ratings, it's clear that many Americans do not see Bush as the threat many of us now see him to our country and to the world.

By the way, does anyone think Bush is actually a democrat because he praised Ted Kennedy in 2002?


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filterfish Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 06:00 PM
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38. zell miller's another republocrat
the point is the more dems try to be republicans, the more votes nader's going to get this election. ralph's suggesting edwards not to hurt the dems. edwards would be better than clark especially now as the iraqi handover progresses. all the clark boosters here must recognize it's now or never time for kerry to declare clark his veep. i'd let it pass, he's surely got a lock on a top cabinet post.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 07:50 PM
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 10:11 PM
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45. So, you feel that a Republican
should have a top post in a Democratic administration? Are you trying to get votes for Nader or something?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. Isn't this so Cheney-ing old already, Ralphie?
You missed a few debates, didn't ya?
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 05:39 PM
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36. Again, alert Michael Moore and George McGovern and Charlie Rangel
since you obviously know more than they about who is and who is not a Real Democrat. Or are they Republicans, too?

And tell John Kerry while you're at it, since he's got General Clark all over the place speaking as his surrogate. I'm sure he needs your wisdom.

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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 06:48 PM
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43. He voted for Clinton, Clinton and Gore.
And speaks at Democratic fundraisers. I guess he's a Democrat, huh?
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #31
37. Sharpton is your avatar
& his campaign was funded by Repub dirty trickster: Roger Stone.

Me thinks you may be at the wrong web site.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 10:14 PM
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46. If Clark is a Republican
then Edwards is as well.

I'll take the Republican that opposed the Iraq invasion, thank you very much.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 12:16 PM
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2. He couldn't be pointing out the obvious?
That's not evidence that "Republicans want Edwards"; it's simply a statement reflecting the fact that, in poll after poll, a large plurality of Democrats themselves say that they want Edwards. As Sigmund Freud once remarked, "Some times a cigar is just a cigar."

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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 12:18 PM
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3. indeed n/t
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 12:34 PM
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6. And sometimes a cigar has already been smoked!
Remember how they all wanted Dean and kept pushing him? Soon as he was out they pushed Edwards non stop. I don't trust any lousy lying Republican. I'd be very upset if they were pushing Clark. However, I do wish they would at least mention him once in awhile. I just worry that Kerry listens to all those strategists and corporates pundits.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 12:40 PM
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8. Kerry will choose who HE wants.
Don't worry about his judgment on this matter, because his judgment has been essentially flawless, so far. I'm a former Deaniacwho has come to admire Kerry's wisdom, and that's saying something. He'll do the right thing for our party, so please, don't get all worried over some insignificant thing like this...
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 01:15 PM
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13. Gee, we agree!
"Kerry will choose who HE wants." And that is what I want too. As Clinton says...he has to pick someone he feels good with. But I still hope it is Clark who fills those shoes. They'd be a great pair...walking side by side and plow right over Bush and leave him flat on his bloody face back at the ranch where he won't even have the strength to cut brush. If Kerry picks Edwards...I'll be rooting for Kerry/Edwards...but the smile on my face may not be as toothy :7 I will truly worry that the voters won't have confidence in Kerry to continue to fight terrorism. If Edwards had foreign policy experience I wouldn't be as worried. So the fact is that it isn't just LIKING Clark more...but I have tons more confidence that he can do a much better job solving and ending the Iraq conflict with many more countries coming to our aid. Kerry's war experience is in combat...but he needs someone experienced in the executive side of the military and Clark has that experience. I'm sorry but WE NEED CLARK! Now, I need to get outside and do some gardening. Bye!
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Darkamber Donating Member (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 01:22 PM
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15. I'm sorry but isn't that what the Sec of Defense if for?
You say that Kerry needs someone experienced with the executive side of the military. But I believe that is why we have the Sec. of Defense. I don't see the VP as the position where that is a must have quality.

And I have complete confidence that Kerry will be able to lead us in the right direction in the War and help on domestic issues.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #15
26. The person sitting a heartbeat away from becoming the
commander-in-chief needs to be qualified.
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Darkamber Donating Member (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 01:18 PM
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14. I think the media was just trying to make some kind of horse race
Dean finally dropped out after WIS. And Edwards did do well there and way beyond expectations. But at that point they were just looking for some kind of story to make it interesting. If you listened to people like Howard Fineman and others they pretty much said that Edwards didn't have a chance. The numbers were against him.

But in the end the Media is not making the decision. It will be Kerry's choice and we all need to put faith in Kerry. And if Kerry does not pick the VP that you want, I'd suggest you listen very carefully to Clark and hear what he has to say. I'm sure he will be as enthusiastic about Kerry and his choice for VP as he is now and would want all of his supporters to feel the same way.
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Hornito Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 12:46 PM
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10. ...."a large plurality of Democrats themselves.....
Edited on Wed Jun-30-04 12:47 PM by Hornito
say that they want Edwards..."

I disagree. Where and who is this "plurality"? Have you got polls to back up this statement?
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 01:14 PM
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12. Right here on page one
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 06:19 PM
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39. a link to a CNN poll?
Surely you jest! HAHAHAHA!
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 06:24 PM
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40. No, quite serious. n/t
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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 01:23 PM
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16. Paddy, that would be just peachy if no one but
Democrats were voting in the general election, but that's not the way it works.

And polls of the general (damn, there's that word again) populace regularly show George Bush well ahead of John Kerry on matters of foreign policy and national security.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 01:25 PM
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17. I don't disagree.
He asked where a poll was showing that a large plurality of Democrats want Edwards, and I showed him one.

:)
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 12:41 PM
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9. Nader also told Kerry to pick Edwards
why do I smell something fishy here? Why would a Republican strategist give advice to the Dems on how to win the election? Why would anyone believe it?
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 02:58 PM
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21. Hi Mobius!
'Bout time you post here! Good to see you. You should get in my VP pool (another location). Yup, NAYder wouldlove it if Edwards gets the nod. I'll vote for Kerry, but he'll get less enthuiasm and probably less dollars from me. Sorry, just the way it is. NOW is the time for Clark. He will be the best President and Vice President ever!
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:14 PM
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23. Phew! I smell it too!
Seems like everyone that wants to beat Kerry wants him to pick Edwards. Mr. Kerry BE-WARE!
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 12:58 PM
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11. very good strategy on Reed's part
Say that they want it to be Edwards so that people will get the idea that he would be the easiest to beat--and make Kerry apprehensive--but in actuality the one they are touting is the one they want least--otherwise why would they say anthing?
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #11
27. If they didn't want Edwards ,they would be hammering him with
all of the ammo they are holding back until Kerry makes his VP pick.
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Raiden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:12 PM
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22. Wow, let's listen to the Repubs...
Hey folks, just because you don't want Edwards as VP doesn't mean you have to post this crap. It sounds to me like he is simply saying that the Democrats want Edwards, and by not picking him, many people will be less enthused. And even if he is saying the Repubs want Edwards, could it be that he is using reverse psychology, I mean it's obvious that Edwards would crush Cheney in a debate and I'm sure even the Repubs know that. Edwards would run circles around Cheney and all Cheney'd be able to do is curse at him. Frankly, I cannot wait.
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 06:27 PM
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41. What if Cheney asks Edwards about Yitzak Rabin?
oops, forgot about that little misstep of Edwards, did you? Well Clark always knew who he was. Also, anytime Clark is mentioned, Edwards supporters get all flustered and post something to bait the Clark supporters. Also you must realize that Clark supporters dont care for Edwards, partly because Edwards is buddy buddy with Hugh Shelton , the general that smeared wes Clark saying he was fired from the Supreme Allied Commander of NATO, due to issues of honor and integrity. But by all means keep posting your "crap" as well, and thank you for marginalizing Clark supporters with saying their opinions were crap. You proved my point, in a nutshell :hi:
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wjsander Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:41 PM
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24. OR, the Repubs could KNOW that we'll do the reverse of what they suggest..
... and so by saying they think Edwards should be VP, they know Kerry will be inclined to pick someone else!

Those evil Repubs!!

How about this? Let's just not give a fuck what they say. Wanna try that for a few years? Jesus.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 04:17 PM
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28. Do you seriously believe this?
If they didn't want Edwards, the corporate media and right wing radio hosts would not be cheerleading for him to drive up his poll numbers. They would be hammering him for claiming to be a populist (when the facts point to the contrary), for his lack of national security credentials, for his campaign contributions that are under investigation, for his channeling of an unborn child in closing arguments to a jury, for failing to do the work he was elected to do (dubbed Senator Gone by his hometown paper), for being funded almost entirely by attorneys, etc, etc.




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wjsander Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 04:45 PM
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29. HAHAHA!!!
You're funny. :7
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. Even more telling than the media treatment
is the RNC's own treatment. Very different approaches to Edwards and Clark. Rove went after Clark with some real fervor, and gets an A+ for creativity (the edited transcripts of his testimony).
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Scoopie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #24
47. LOL! I don't think neo-cons are smart enough
to reach a conclusion like that.

Personally, I think this is the beginning of a planted meme by the GOP.
I don't believe Edwards is going to get the nod because of his lack of FP experience and the fact that Kerry doesn't seem to feel comfortable around him. I don't know who will, but I don't think it's Edwards.
So, what the GOP is trying to do is pre-pop the VP balloon by alleging that whomever Kerry picks that isn't Edwards is going to make Dems less enthusiastic. This meme will be repeated from now until the VP choice - it will take a break for VP coverage - and then will be back in full force closer to the election as the GOP tries anything to make the Dem ticket seem less important.
What the GOP doesn't seem to realize is that it could be Kerry/Yellow Dog and it wouldn't matter to the base because, in all honesty, it's about getting rid of Bush, not electing Kerry.
(Sorry, Kerry fans, I didn't mean that to sound crass against Kerry. I like Kerry.)
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IconoclastIlene Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:56 PM
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25. Im just a hopin Kerry don't do some mad thing like Gore/Lieberman
Please, pick someone with value to add to the ticket.....not a return for favors or something.
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 06:33 PM
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42. Hey how about Kerry / Bush (old one) 2004?
kidding :tinfoilhat:
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 11:11 PM
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48. It's a conspiracy!
:eyes:
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