CNN Poll shows Repub Anti-Kerry Dem Convention Tactic WORKED! What NOW?

[WiseMen]

Republicans have deviously but perhaps very effectively USED
the Democratic Convention to push a perniciously motivating
anti-Kerry spin not only on all the big corporate media channels, but
most specifically on right-wing talk radio.

Their nasty spin probably got more press
during the convention period than usual.

One can only hope we are able develop as effective a strategy and
get as much attention to our point of view during the Republican
Convention.

Michael Moore and others should probably hold their noses and sign
up for Convention tickets or get on the pundit guest circuit for
the RNC convention. Maybe special film showing for the Repubs?
Pro-Kerry Rock Concert during convention for all the protesters
that will be showing up?

Any other ideas?

[Zynx]

1. And you base your post on what?

Gallup? Don't get me started.

[still_one]

2. Problem is that most likely they will shout down anyone they disagree with

[WiseMen]

24. Kerry will have to keep doing what he is doing-- make the case on the

ground, get back to grass roots campaigning. The campaign has
created great materials for house to house -- video biography, Acceptance
speech -- now they have to work with grassroots orgs to get the
message out.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. Media whores aren't interested in signing up MMoore

because he isn't a patsy for their agenda. What I think we need to do is to remind folks NOT to trust the news. Most folks I talk to don't.

[SoFlaJet]

4. Look

Let them think thjey're ahead-it ain't gonna work.Bush himself knows he's done.He reads his speeches to his supporters and uses people-as-props behind him to try to show the masses that all is well.But it's not and they know it and we know it and the press knows it.

[sandnsea]

5. Fuck CNN

The good news is, there pathetic poll isn't the one that was reported on most media outlets today. They're whores. We know that. Why do we bother expecting anything but lies from them. People will believe their eyes, crowds of 10,000 reported in their own local papers and on their own local news. And they'll believe their own pocketbooks. They'll dismiss this poll like they always do, "who the hell are they polling?"

[madfloridian]

6. Cheer up. Take a look at the Newsweek poll.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040731/nysa010a_3.html

[blm]

7. This post doesn't sound like the WiseMen who of the past.

Very odd from you.

My old pal WiseMen would never get so flustered over obvious propaganda that is in direct contrast to every other current poll.

When did you become so reactionary, old pal?

[WiseMen]

10. The Detail finding that Repubs polled are more fired up Post-Convention

is counter-intuitive but understandable. I don't listen to
RW talk radio but Repubs have been very deciplined in pushing
there "flip-flop" and "extreme-makeover" message during the
week and it may have been effective.

The CNN result shows that Kerry's positives are UP. But so is
the Repub resolve.

[blm]

12. But STILL not as resolved as Dems whose numbers are much higher.

.

[aquart]

8. Well, hot damn.

We've been hit by a deep cover demoralization campaign. Oh, not you, of course. You, I'm sure have nothing but a slight case of weekend hysteria.

But to whoever started this rush over the cliff, well done! Well, actually a wee bit overdone. But still, impressive.

[Tom Rinaldo]

16. Since when has concern over the Election's outcome become anti-Democratic?

It is not demoralizing to worry, it is the exact opposite. Uncertainty about the outcome is always what makes people totally work their butts off to secure victory. No one, and I mean No One here has ever remotely implied that Kerry is toast. That would be demoralizing, sure, telling people that nothing you can do will make any difference, we've already lost etc, or words to that effect, that's demoralizing. I'm not hearing that.

Political strategists get worried when their side becomes cocky, not anxious. My biggest fear is if polls start showing this is NOT a close election. Hell, I want a complete blow out for Kerry - Edwards and the Democrats, just like everyone else. At this point though, before the Republican Convention, any polls that even remotely indicate that Kerry might have it in the bag would be dangerous to our cause. Now IS the time to fear a possible Bush victory, not gloat over his near certain defeat.

[havocmom]

9. We remember that it is CNN talking, not America

and we keep talking the talk about the Bogus POTUS while walking the walk of the patriotic, concerned, and problem solving party that we are.

CNN does not speak for America. CNN says what Rove wants them to in an attempt to keep the masses in tow. But it isn't working. More and more Republicans are turning off the TV and getting some useful info from sources like the ones we recommend.

When people have to sign a piece of paper, swearing to be bush*/Cheney supporters in order to get into a political rally, Rove is worried because he know they are losing and he just can't risk his boys in front of a crowd that truly represents America.

Write LTTE pointing up a particular lie or policy of the junta's that hurts average Americans. Give source where people can go to get the info CNN and others will not put on TV. Help educate your neighbor and NEVER, NEVER let the junta propaganda machine get you down or keep you quiet. They hope bully tactics and screaming the same lies over and over will keep working. No more. People are getting better info and finding they are not the only one noticing that the emperor has no clothes on as he prances around using people for props in photo ops.

Call you local party headquarters and ask what they need you to help with. If you have the time, make sure you help others get to the polls to vote come November.

Keep your chin up, don't listen to sources we know are owned by interests at odds with making America better for Americans and the world, get talking/writing and help get the truth out. The truth will save the nation. Well, that, and a lot of poll watchers to keep an eye on every ballot come November.

[Birthmark]

11. I say we have CNN arrested

Masturbating in public is a serious offense in the better countries.

[WiseMen]

13. I believe Wolf is personally pro-Kerry. Poll may be off, but Repubs have

hard at work using every tool to advance their interests.

- army of Republican officials at the DN Convention to slam Dem
speakers and blaring the Republican spin day after day through
the RW media channels

- Bush publicizing his "emergency meetings" on 9/11 during the
Convention.

- Having Colin Powell arrive in Bagdad the day after JK incredible
acceptance speech.

- And now, leaking terror alerts in NY and calling Terror
news conferences on Sunday to dominated the Sunday news programs.


An incumbent President has a lot to work with. A challenger usually
needs something like a Ross Perot to beat a sitting President.

[Cha]

17. I don't think wolf is personally pro Kerry..but maybe it's just me..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2131601

"chimpsrsmarter (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-01-04 03:09 PM
Original message
Wolf to eleanore---"Your not one of THOSE deomcrats"


"That thinks this security alert level is for political purposes are you? " The way he said "Those", like an accusation, i fucking hate him.

No Dick...Fuck You!"

[Birthmark]

18. So what?

That doesn't employ the unemployed or provide healthcare or provide a morale boost to the troops or...

They are simply flogging the hog in a vain attempt at gratification. It won't work.

[Cocoa]

14. I question your premise

big time.

[Sensitivity]

27. Just read the survey story on Gallup.com. Must take is seriously.

Presidential Race Remains Close; No Convention Bounce
Bush slightly ahead among likely voters, Kerry among registered voters


by David W. Moore

GALLUP NEWS SERVICE

PRINCETON, NJ -- A new CNN/USA Today/Gallup survey, conducted on Friday and Saturday following the Democratic Convention in Boston, finds that the presidential race remains close, with President George W. Bush receiving 50% support among likely voters, and Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry 47%. Among the larger group of registered voters, Kerry leads 50% to 47%.

Compared with the last CNN/USA Today/Gallup survey conducted before the convention (July 19-21), this post-convention poll shows that among likely voters, Kerry's support is actually two points lower than it was pre-convention, while Bush's support is three points higher. Among registered voters, Kerry's support in the current poll is one point higher than it was pre-convention, while Bush's support is also higher, by two points (the percentage of undecideds dropped in both groups).

For neither group of voters does the slight change in voter preferences, compared with a poll conducted shortly before the convention, favor Kerry. All of these changes are within the margin of error, meaning that we cannot be 95% certain that Bush gained on Kerry after the convention. However, clearly there is no convention bounce for Kerry.

[Cocoa]

29. we do NOT have to take ANY poll seriously

I saw the convention with my own eyes, it was a home run for Kerry.

[Myrina]

15. Let Bush think he's winning ...

Then we won't have to fear another 'terra attack', an October Surprise, or 95 days of malicious mud-slinging from the GOP camp.

He's the most dangerous when he knows he's behind the 8-ball.

[LabMonkey]

19. Putting Moore in the presidential box was a mistake. Too far left.

Look. Facts of life here.

Last two Democrats to get elected President were Governors from the south. Senators do not have a good chance at winning, Liberal Senators even less.(yes, Kerry is a liberal) That term is what the masses understand. Most have no idea what a "progressive" is, let alone even heard the term. It is likely beyond them.

Kerry needs to move to the center to win. Sorry, that is the political reality.
Clinton did it sucessfully, he won. He had help from Perot dropping out and pointing people towards Clinton "revitalization of the democratic party" his exact words why he dropped out that first time.

Kerry did not move enough to the center at the convention to persuade Joe and Jane Sixpack swing voters. They are starting to pay attention now and Im afraid that Kerry has very little time left to define himself on his terms to the swing vote.

That is what the convention is for, keep in mind Joe and Jane sixpack maybe caught two minutes of it.

Im sorry this election is in the hands of the swing vote now.

This poll is warning he is losing them.

[flpoljunkie]

20. You might want to look at internals of Newsweek poll...bode well for Kerry

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5568072/site/newsweek/

Still, Kerry and Edwards have gained ground on several key election issues. For the first time in the NEWSWEEK poll, as many voters strongly back Kerry as strongly back Bush (31 percent to 30 percent). In an election expected to be decided by a small number of unaffiliated voters, independents now lean toward Kerry by a margin of 45 percent to 39 percent, with Nader pulling 7 percent. And voters are becoming more likely to predict a Kerry victory in November: Forty-four percent say Kerry will win vs. 43 percent who predict Bush.

Voters are deadlocked at 46 percent over who they would trust more with handling the situation in Iraq (Bush had enjoyed a 15 point lead in March). They also just barely prefer Bush to Kerry (48 percent to 43 percent) on handling terror and homeland security, issues on which they had preferred the president by 21 points in March. This is significant because the top issues among voters are terrorism (21 percent), the economy (19 percent), Iraq (18 percent) and health care (15 percent).

Kerry gets higher ratings as someone who can be trusted “to make the right decisions during an international crisis” (53 percent Kerry versus 48 percent Bush). Six in 10 voters (58 percent) are dissatisfied with the direction the country is headed and, domestically, more voters believeBush’s policies have hurt (43 percent) rather than helped (33 percent) the economy. Voters also feel they would far more trust Kerry (55 percent) than Bush (32 percent) with issues pertaining to health care and Medicare.

Meanwhile, Bush’s own approval ratings continue to slip. Forty-five percent say they approve of the job the president is doing vs. 49 percent who disapprove. Three weeks ago, Bush’s approval rating was 48 percent; his high was 82 percent in the week after the September 11 attacks.

The best news the Bush campaign gets out of the NEWSWEEK poll is that Kerry’s stance on the gay marriage issue lies outside of the mainstream. Voters choose Bush’s less permissive stance on gay marriage by a wide margin (46 percent to 33 percent) as the position that best reflects their own views. However, this potential wedge issue may be tempered by the fact that voters vastly prefer Kerry’s progressive stance on stem cell research by a margin of 53 percent to 26 percent.

On the heels of a star-studded week—which featured unequivocal support for Kerry from former president Bill Clinton; Ron Reagan, the son of a beloved Republican president; rising star Barack Obama and Vietnam vet Sen. Max Cleland—the Democratic Party’s nominee now boasts stronger ratings than the president on being “personally likeable” (67 percent agree with that description of Kerry, 62 percent of the president); on being someone who cares about “someone like you” (57 percent feel this describes Kerry, 44 percent Bush); and on having “strong leadership qualities” (31 percent don’t see these in Kerry whereas 38 percent don’t see them in Bush).


For the NEWSWEEK poll, Princeton Survey Research Associates interviewed 1,010 adults aged 18 and older July 29 and July 30 by telephone. The margin of error is plus or minus 3 percentage points.

[WiseMen]

23. "Internals" are good for Kerry. But, If CNN poll should warn that Repub

propagandist may know what they are doing. The endless repetion of
lies seems bizzare to some. But it may work for others in their
target.

[Cha]

21. Don't worry about Moore being "in the Presidential box"

We're gonna win.

[AngryLizard]

22. Plus, I just searched cnn.com

For that poll that supposedly shows Kerry dropping, and I can't find it anywhere.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Jimmy Carter Had One The Most Dysfunctional Conventions...

Jimmy Carter had one of the most dysfunctional elections in the world in 1980 and still got a 10% bounce....


Carter's speech was univerally panned, Ted Kennedy upstaged him in his speech and then refused to raise Carter's hand in a symbolic show of unity ....

Also in 00 Gallup had Bush up by 14% on October 27... If that poll was correct then Gore closed a fourteen point defecit in seven days...


I smell a rat....

[Sensitivity]

26. I does seem weird. Hope someone finds a problem with CNN Poll

[Raya]

28. CBS Poll + CNN Poll = Dems have to Strongly Attack Regime in Power

or else positions won't change much if any.

Note that the hours that the CBS ABC NBC networks covered were
good speeches but still more uplifting of the country than damaging
to Bush.

I would not dismiss CNN's Bill Snider's conclusion: the positive
tone of the Convention did not push anyone to change their
preference; only attacks on Bush could have changed the numbers.

[Padraig18]

30. The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

I question the premise of your initital post, and I also refuse to join the Chicken Little wing of the Democratic party by getting my panties in a knot with every worthless poll from those whores at CNN and Gallup.

:puke::eyes:

[Raya]

32. Are you saying that the CBS "Little or No-Bounce" result is also wrong?

I think the point is that the incumbent has many tools and
his political operation are using them. Dems are going to have
to work hard as hell till Nov.

[doctorbombeigh]

31. Worked? The convention was good, the numbers are good.

On what planet is that a sign that the loony Republican-blather machine "worked" at all?

I don't think it did much to help them and it's a perfect set-up for the Dems in late August. Perfect.

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[WiseMen]

34. I have worked for and supported the Kerry campaign from the beginning.

I have earned the right to objectively credit the effectiveness
of the republican machine.

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[Cuban_Liberal]

36. I don't know why people lose it after one highly-questionable poll.

We're DOOMED (doomed, doomed, doomed, a la a Greek chorus)...

:eyes:

[AmerDem]

37. it really is pathetic

[Nicholas_J]

38. All indications are

That Kerry has a slight lead, that voters have already made up their minds on who they are going to vote for, and that this will not change in the next three months, meaning that Kerry is ahead now, and will likely stay ahead through the election. He is way ahead in all electoral college projections and has stayed that way for the last month even after the convention.

There is no indication that anything the Republicans are doing is efecting Kerry's slight lead at all, and nothing that REpublicans are doing that is having any effect to erode that slight lead. IN fact thew only real changes have been in what the public think of the cnadidates in various areas such as the war on terro, Iraq and so on. ANd only in the area of the war on Terror is Kerry behind Bush but in the last month that gap has close so far tat Kerry is statistically equal to Kerry in this area. The public now view Kerry's ability to handle Iraq as equal to Bush, and that Kerry's ideas on tax policy are now suprtior to Bush, and that Kerry is by far better at foreign relations than Bush. Three separate national polls have indicated these changes. Last month, these numbers were reversed.

[zulchzulu]

39. Only those who dig the Chimp are interested in the post-DNCon bounce

People are up to the Chimp's tricks by now. Let the shills spin all they want.

It ain't gonna work.

I'm guessing that Kerry will continue to get a bounce and even get more after people watch the RNC charade.

Chimpy is going down.