Is there anything Obama could do as President that would cause you to stop supporting him?

[rug]

[BlooInBloo]

1. You fail.

EDIT: Subject was ambiguous.

[rug]

3. That's a given.

Anything else?

[rug]

6. So's your edit.

[bowens43]

2. Of course there is.

[rug]

4. What?

[AZBlue]

5. Just one thing? Of course not. Actually, I'm sure he'll do a couple things I don't agree with.

I've never met any politician who thought and did exactly like me, nor has anyone else. No, it takes a series of things, a trend, for me to not support a politician.

[rwheeler31]

7. What are you afraid he will do?

[rug]

16. Delay the exit from Iraq.

Delay the implementation of universal health care.

Delay GLBT rights as a matter for the states.

Compromise progressive initiatives in the name of bipartisanship.

Go into Pakistan.

And many other things which have emerged from his positions during thi campaign.

[Bicoastal]

38. deleted--but I still contend this is a profoundly silly post. n/t

[rug]

Well I read it before you deleted it..

Aside from your compulsion to answer every question about Obama with "Hillary", you were wise to delete it.

[Bicoastal]

43. A compulsion it may be, but it's de rigeur around here with either candidate.

God, I wish this primary would end soon.

[Yurovsky]

39. I don't think you have anything to worry about ...

with the sheer number of GOP senate & house seats that are going Dem this year, I think he'll be able to accomplish all that he aspires to.

Furthermore, if the generals try to give him any shit over Iraq, he can just fire their asses a la Truman. He's going to be the commander in chief, and the generals better get used to it, or find another line of work.

[Skip Intro]

8. you knew the answer before you asked, right?

[EFerrari]

9. I expect to disagree with him fairly often.

If he invaded Iran or re-started the bombing in Afghanistan, I'd be out there demonstrating.

He's running for President, not for Pope. :shrug:

[hfojvt]

10. Why not?

This already happened in the 1990s. Here's what he could do

promote welfare 'reform'
promote NAFTA
sign a bill deregulating telecoms
sign a bill ending Glass-Stegall
propose tax cuts for the rich
say dumb things like "the era of Big Government is over"

things like that and I would probably throw him under the bus, and his spouse too.

[scheming daemons]

11. Well... he could.....

A) Adopt Republican themes..... Whoops, Hillary's already done that.

B) He could get us into a war we shouldn't be in.... Whoops, Hillary helped Bush do that

C) He could saber-rattle at Iran and raise tensions even higher.... Whoops, Hillary talks of obliterating Iran

D) He could hire complete incompetents to be on his staff.... Whoops, Hillary has already done that (Penn, Wolfson, etc)

E) He could practice the same old Washington game of quid-pro-quo with lobbyists.... Whoops, Hillary already does that.



So... yeah.... I would stop supporting him if he did those things..... but if he did those things, he'd be Hillary Clinton.

[book_worm]

15. excellent resonse.

[rug]

17. Precisely.

[scheming daemons]

22. thanks for agreeing with me,,,,, I guess........

Here's a couple more things he could do that would make my support waiver:


1. Name Hillary Clinton as his VP

2. Give ANY jobs in his administration to Lanny Davis, Kiki McLean, Howard Wolfson, or Terry McAuliffe.



My point in my original answer is that.... Obama would lose my support if he changed his priorities and style to match that of "old Washington"... if he became that which he has been running against.

[rug]

24. I agree that he has a tremendous potential to turn into Clinton.

Albeit with charisma.

[scheming daemons]

28. If he turned into Clinton, or McCain, or ANY of the "inside Washington" crowd... my disappointment

would be extremely high.


I think he has to guard against becoming that which he ran against. I'm hoping that Michelle keeps him grounded.

[Skittles]

20. you hate Hillary more than you support Obama

that is what your response indicates

[scheming daemons]

25. Nope..... all of my responses were about POLICY positions of Hillary's... not about her personally

If Obama's policy positions changed to be like Hillary's in those areas, then he would be wrong on the issues... just like Hillary is.

[Skittles]

29. the question is about OBAMA

NOT HILLARY

[scheming daemons]

30. The question was about what we cause me to stop supporting.... and the answer is....

If he became that which he ran against.... Hillary, or McCain, or ANY of the Washington Insider crowd.



If he became like her, I'd stop supporting him.

[Skittles]

32. done with you

it's like talking to a fucking brick wall

[scheming daemons]

33. If you're going to continue bashing Obama on this site... maybe you should be done with the

Democratic Party too.


He's our nominee. If you can't accept that.... there are plenty of pro-McCain web sites where your point of view will get a better hearing.

[scheming daemons]

34. Sorry you didn't like my answer.... but it's my answer....

I'd stop supporting him if he became a pandering, lying, typical-washington-insider like Clinton.


If I wanted that kind of President, I'd already be supporting Hillary.


As long as he doesn't become what he ran against, I'll stick with him.



I'm sorry you hitched your wagon to a candidate that has bad intentions and no moral compass. That's not my problem.

[cliffordu]

27. DING DING DING We have a winner!!! That's right.

Nice!!

:patriot:

[BattyDem]

44. Great response!

:toast:

[gristy]

12. Is that all you got left?

Is that it? Too funny...

[rug]

19. I've got a lot left, gristy. Can't say a response to you is a good use of my time.

[Selatius]

13. Failing to begin drawdown of occupation forces in Viêt...I mean Iraq.

It's either that, or he bombs Iran. That's another deal breaker.

[rug]

21. That's my #1 dealbreaker.

And I can't say I'm heartened by the contrast between his stump speech promise of ending the war in 2009 versus his 16-month timetable.

I never liked Humphrey either.

[Texas Hill Country]

52. but he also plans to leave about 80k troops there??? that is not an exit...

[cbayer]

14. I think expectations are very high

and there are bound to be some serious disappointments.

One of the most fascinating things about this primary system is how he has been portrayed as being much more progressive and to the left than he actually is.

My personal concerns are primarily about the lack of a strong and definitive plan to end our involvement in Iraq.

[rug]

31. The expectations are so high here that within six months of Inauguration

he will be trashed worse than Clinton if he doesn't deliver.

[scheming daemons]

35. Which is why he will deliver

....especially since he'll have a filibuster-proof senate of 60+ Dems.


He'll have no excuses for not making things happen.

[cbayer]

45. I don't know about that Rug.

There are a lot of people voting based on a persuasive and charismatic personality. Some seem to know little about the actual issues, let alone truly care about them. The mere fact that they could draw such stark contrasts between Obama and Clinton speaks volumes to me about what some people are really voting for.

That being said, I think that if he can improve our relationships with the rest of the world, that will be an achievement.

[rug]

49. We'll see. It can be nothing but an improvement.

[jeff30997]

18. Definitely:

A stained blue dress of course.:P

[sfam]

23. Aside from being a pedofile, axe murderer, pathological liar, embezzler?

Sure, lots of things. What is the purpose of this question, 'cause I must be missing it.


"Is there anything you could do in the future that might piss me off?" Who on earth would answer this in the negative? Who I ask you?

[rug]

36. It could be a more precise question.

The better question is, which of the promises he's made but fails to keep would cost your support?

[scheming daemons]

37. That *IS* a better question.... and here's a better answer from me...

1. He could fail to deliver on winding down Iraq and bringing the troops home.

2. He could fail to deliver on a "manhattan project" for alternative fuels to get us off our dependence on oil.

3. He could fail to deliver on respecting science again, especially when it comes to climate science.



Just to name a few...

[sfam]

42. I take leaving Iraq and the return of scientific reasoning as a given...

I cannot imagine either Democrat having a problem here, even with Clinton's most recent comment bashing economists. Lets face it, that just ain't gonna happen. We WILL start listening to scientists again.

[sfam]

40. Ahh, I can answer that! Short answer is "Business as usual", green policies, lack of competence...

I really doubt we'll still be stuck in Iraq, but if he doesn't take care of that, we all will be bugged about that.

But I really want to see real progress towards preventing the Climate Crises, and I really want to see both parties actually discussing things instead of yelling at each other. If Obama becomes the left-wing version of Bush in that he's just as polarizing as Bush has been, I'll be very dissapointed. I REALLY want to see the country come together.

And um, I'd like my government agencies to work again...

[Beregond2]

26. Well of course.

What are you implying, that his supporters are blinded with adulation?

[rug]

41. No, and if I were it wouldn't be implied.

From my perpectve, he has frequently chosen expedience over principle in this campaign. The most egregious example is what he's said about Iraq, with statements ranging from ending it in 2009 to withdrawing two brigade at a time for 16 months to shifting the combat troops to Afghanistan to assessing the situation when he takes office. These are not complementary positions. And whatever he does on this one issue alone is going to explode his base.

[Beregond2]

51. They seem

completely complementary to me, except for the 16 month/2009 contradiction. But obviously, no candidate can make definitive statements about this, they can only indicate the general direction of their thinking.

[Pab Sungenis]

46. Of course.

Continue the war. Forget about his health care promises. Sell out and put DLC moderates on the Supreme Court.

[Arugula Latte]

47. Pick Joe Lieberman as V.P.

:scared:

[newmajority]

54. Well, President Gore did that, but eventually I forgave him for it.

Now Hillary as VP, that's another story..... :scared:

[jzodda]

48. Of course, ever see the movie "The Dead Zone"?

If he becomes a crazy militarist willing to use nukes as he sees fit then I am out! :D

[rug]

50. No, I didn't see that but I know how well-intentioned Henry Fonda was in Fail-Safe.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

53. Throw gays under the bus

Well, that's just one think that he could do that I think is a possibility.

Obviously there are MANY things he could do that would make me stop supporting him, but I don't think he would do them.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

55. Yeah.

Do the kind of things Clinton does.

[Umbram]

56. I rarely have much support for any POTUS, Dem or Rethug (nt)

[ecstatic]

57. I trust him to move cautiously when it comes to war and diplomacy

I don't have that same trust in Hillary. That is very important to me. Clinton's tough talk is creating enemies and raising gas prices!