New CBS poll Kerry leads 49-43

[59millionmorons]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/25/politics/main...

Kerry and Edwards now hold a six-point lead over the Republican incumbents, 49 percent to 43 percent — only slightly wider than the 49 percent to 44 percent lead the Democrats had in a poll taken July 11 to 15.

However, the poll indicates the convention's focus on Kerry's decorated service in Vietnam boosted the Democrats among veterans

[YEM]

1. The poll shows they are TIED among Vets!!

If that's true, that's HUGE!

[59millionmorons]

2. No

That doom for Rove's re-election efforts.

[flpoljunkie]

3. Thanks! More good news in this CBS poll!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/25/politics/main631657.shtml

However, while more voters now think the Democrats have a clear plan for the country — 44 percent up from 36 percent in July — the Democrats hold no advantage on that count: 45 percent say the GOP has a clear plan.

Yet more than half of those surveyed think Kerry will bring different groups of Americans together, compared to 31 percent who feel Mr. Bush has done so.

Seventy-two percent of those surveyed say the 2004 election is more importance than previous ones, versus 27 percent who say it holds the same importance. Those numbers mirror the responses in 1992, the last time the question was asked.

[nodictators]

9. flpoljunkie, your CBS link has a pro-Repub bias, not "good news"

This article, which was also read in part on the CBS Early "News" today, calls the Kerry-Edwards six-point lead, "slim." HA-HA

On TV, the CBS "news" reader left it at that. The viewers were deceived by this slick trickery. How is a six-point lead "slim?" On democrats.com they note that it takes more than a week before a bounce might be detected. Remember, Kerry got "no bounce" after choosing Edwards as his running mate. Yet somehow, the Kerry-Edwards lead has widened in most polls since then.

In the web article, it notes the six-point lead below the portion excerpted below.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/25/politics/main631657.shtml

Poll: No Bounce For Democrats

Aug. 2, 2004

(CBS/AP) The Democratic convention did not generate a bounce for the ticket of John Kerry and John Edwards but apparently solidified the slim lead the pair held going into Boston, a CBS News poll finds.

[Brotherjohn]

4. CBS: Kerry by 6, Newseek: Kerry by 8, Zogby: Kerry by 5...

... but pay no attention to those! What about the Gallup? And what about the lack of a bounce?

Well, when you're already holding a significant lead by most polls and most voters have their mind made up, there ain't gonna be much of a bounce.

Fact is, most polls have Kerry up significantly (and consistently over the last month or so), and there's not much room for wiggle anymore.

They can paint it however they want, but these numbers have Rove more worried than anyone.

[quaoar]

10. I really think

That the Gallup results spooked some people at CNN/USA Today because it was out of line with other polls. The fact that they released the poll and then said they were going to do more interviews to make sure is rather extraordinary.

It demonstrates a lack of confidence in your polling organization and that message is unmistakable to people in the industry.

[WI_DEM]

5. Just wait, Bush will get a bounce out of his convention

and the media will go crazy about "the comeback kid"

[Beetwasher]

6. No, He Won't Get A Bounce

Every poll, aside from Gallup will show no bounce for Bush after his convention...Gallup will show a bounce...Just watch...

[SodoffBush]

8. Do the Olympics start during the GOP convention?

That would be helpful. America thrives on sports much more than it does politics.

[DaveFL99]

7. Whew

That helps some but it's till disappointing. It seems to me that the convention should have taken votes away from Bush, not just converted undecideds.

Face it. We're in serious trouble. Rove will unleash dirtier and dirtier tricks as we approach the election. He successfully squashed a part of the bounce this weekend with the Terra announcement. I was watching a re-run of MTP last nigt and Russert mentioned that the full bounce wouldn't be in effect until after the weekend because a lot of voters don't watch the news during the week and rely on the weekend news shows. It was ironic that he said that before Ridge's big announcement.

We shouldn't be denying what the polls tell us we shuould be encouraging Kerry to respond to them. Denying reality is a Freeper trait. You know, like saying the economy is great and the only problem with Iraq is a few 'Instakaters'. The next thing you know you guys will be saying 'Stay the course'.

We need to go negative and do it now.

[PATRICK]

11. I'll take a gamble here

I think Clinton stunned them with his own convention and they had to spin down his bounce wildly to shift back to Perot(who even amateurishly gave Clinton kudos and the lead). This time I am seeing something different.

The polls are indicating already hard drawn lines but the seepage toward Kerry to me looks like the cracks in the dam. Disaffections(among Republicans and Vets no less!) the trends, the mood, the lack of new voters for Bush therefore the inevitability of defeat syndrome to come. Kerry's hard steady progress could even slog on without a debate to a decisive victory which puts Bush in an unenviable dilemma. The market and its pumpers are slacking. The media alone, hardly a state run Pravda or with much principle, is keeping the illusion so alive that the logical dumping of Cheney is becoming impossible.

The Kerry trends seem solid as Bush's decline has been consistent. It is a work in progress and as with any mushy pre-vote polls pretending to be prognosticators against the real trends the panic and the breaking has not set in. Yet.

Still, it is incumbent(is that an acceptable pun? probably not) on the Dems to get a mandate and to discourage any cheating done under cover of a parity illusion. At some point, but we have a ways to go. At no time must the trajectory be allowed to stagnate or the public perception allowed to settle into parity mode which only serves the GOP and idiots in our party and will actually depress the vote. Additionally, I think because of Bush, the irony is that people thinking Kerry a shoo in will still feel compelled to vote and it is Bush's supporters more likely to be discouraged from the ticket.

Yet every day fantasies seemingly out of touch with logic are presented as fact to keep Bush "even" with a real man and a real leader who really will serve their interests and backs it up with the undeniable war record contrast. Inroads into the South is the last bastion for some advantageous progress and break the illusion of the GOP solid south without having to present any illusion of our own.

If the South starts to trend toward Kerry then the rout is well under way. And coattails will be huge. Otherwise it will just be a convincing victory with way too many consolations for the GOP.

[Nashyra]

12. You can tell how good it is for Kerry

by the fact that now they have a "specific" terror alert. There is nothing but "political terror" going on with this administration. No matter how much they try and spin because the news outlet are trying to spin this is as big news the fact that New Yorkers are going on with their daily activities is not doing well for the administration. The media newest spin is New Yorkers are used to this so they have an attitude. Crock of shit, it will pass because they can not afford another attack LIHOP and they have cried wolf so often no one will believe there actually was a threat. Anytime I someone tells me this could be real I have two words "Duck Tape"