The Obama presidency will be Camelot II

[Tropics_Dude83]

I was just thinking of Malia and Sacha, Senator Obama`s daughters, and I realized that for the first time since President Carter`s administration and maybe even for the first time since President Kennedy`s administration. we will have 2 young children in the White House along with one of our youngest president and presidential families ever. I got thinking of that after reading this:

The family campaigned together last weekend in Indiana and Obama recalled, "At one point someone asked Malia, our older daughter, what she enjoyed most about the weekend and she said, 'being with my dad,' and it nearly broke my heart."

It will be so cool! I don`t think we have any idea of the magic we`re about to have the privilege of witnessing. The oilmen are about to be tossed out of the White House and replaced by a man of the people and his young and charming family. I can see it now. Time Magazine and Newsweek doing photographic essays of Sacha and Malia maybe interrupting her dad in the oval office the way John John did.

It`ll be magic.

I was nowhere near alive during the Kennedy administration but I have a feeling it will be a lot like that. America will be charmed.

Michelle Obama will be much beloved. Sure, she`ll be a top rethuglican target during the campaign but after that, we`ll all be wowed by her grace and elegance.

I don`t think we understand just how much Obama is loved in the wider world already. His conciliatory stance and willingness to work with the rest of the world will help restore America`s shattered image. He`ll be the young people`s president as well since they will be a large part of the reason he became president due to their voting for him in massive numbers. Perhaps he`ll inspire them to a higher calling them and get them more civically engaged.

He`ll do so much more for us of course.

This is all intution and prediction of course but I have a very very good feeling about this senator from Illinois. I think he`ll exceed our wildest expectations.

And after his 8 year presidency expires, I think we`ll look back at his administration as the restoration of Camelot, the rebirth of America and Obama as one of our greatest presidents.

[sfam]

1. Hmmm...the first Camelot didn't really end well...how 'bout a different analogy? nt

[hokies4ever]

2. Stop interrupting our wonderful daydreaming

with your negative energy. :rofl:

[Tropics_Dude83]

3. LOL-yeah

I am all in for Obama now. I don`t think there will be anyone who supports him more enthusiatically on this board. I really do think that we have greatness on our hands. Really.

And as far as the failed Camelot analogy, it`s the best I could come up with to to convey what we will experience. LOL.

[sfam]

4. Sorry, not trying to rain on your parade...was just the first thing to come to mind...Viet Nam...

was the second...

I'll shut up now.

GOBAMA!!!! "May your Camelot be as good as Arthur's, but, um, without the your best friend boffing your wife, and without you having to find that fucking cup, and um, without your half-sister raping you and your kid killing you and stuff..."

But at least he had a real cool sword!

Come to think of it, while it might have been most cool for the Britons, Arthur really got a raw deal there...

[Fredda Weinberg]

17. Why shut up? The young are about to repeat the boomers' mistake

And I, for one, am not a kid this time ... and won't be fooled again.

[sfam]

23. I have no problem with the excitement. I'm excited too...but there's a realism there...

Obama does have the power to make real change, I think. Whether he can do so is something we'll just have to see.

But personally, I'll be pretty thrilled if we can at least end the insane political infighting and get back to principled discussions of differences - but one which results in both sides looking for common ground on a 60-80% solution. That's not too much to ask, is it?

[Fredda Weinberg]

24. I'm waiting for the realism. What I see is a rehash of the old lies

with a fresh generation of suckers ... they're born every minute, you know.

The hard work will continue, no matter how silly season ends. For that, I can endure.

[sfam]

30. Hope isn't a lie, and hope doesn't imply "Suckers come here..."

I could go through the speech, but you know it as well as I. I guess we'll have to see whether there's really a change or not.

[Two Americas]

32. say what???

Don't you look back on the eight years of prosperity and peace under the Eugene McCarthy administration with any fondness at all? And then those following eight years of the McGovern administration were great too, I think, don't you? Ah, those were the days.

[Zomby Woof]

5. It had a lot of bumps in the road too

Bay of Pigs, Mafia don's girlfriend as White House bedroom guest, the kid brother AG agreeing to wiretap MLK,... oh, and the escalation of troops, um, I mean "advisors", in Vietnam. There's much more, but yeah, it's not a desirable analogy.

No, the last thing we need is more myth-making and the denial of reality at this crucial time.

Many of us who intend to vote for Obama in the general are not enamored of him. We need evidence of substance, and starry-eyed romanticization of the Kennedy regime is not going to convince the likes of us that he is the Chosen One.

We're electing a president, not a fucking messiah.

[sfam]

10. Well if we are electing a messiah, lets do away with the Kennedy "F'ing part", ey?

Seriously though, I agree with your post entirely,other than the part about not being enamored with him.

I'm VERY enamored with him, but I'm not looking for a messiah, whether he fucks or not. I just want to see actual discussion return to Washington. This isn't too much to ask, is it?

[Zomby Woof]

25. The 'fucking' part was important

JFK was nailing the girlfriend of Sam Giacana, and this really mucked up RFK's ongoing pursuit of prosecuting the Mafia. J. Edgar Hoover knew this, and gleefully played this little bit of potential blackmail out, as he could maintain his public denial that there was even a Mafia in existence at all. How could Bobby snag the don, without revealing the president's affair/selling out his brother's privacy? Unlike Ken Starr's prurient (and expensive) investigation of Clinton's tragicomical trysts, there were very real consequences with the potential exposure of JFK's. Which I fully lay (pardon the pun) at the feet of Hoover, who I am convinced beyond doubt is the single most irredeemably corrupt and hypocritical rat bastard in American history, and he has some deep competition.

For the record, I think JFK had admirable qualities as a leader, and was not devoid of tangible accomplishments. He had vast "potential", which is damning him with the faintest of praise, mind you.

I sure as hell hope Obama whips McCain's ass into next Thursday's garbage pick-up, but after that sweet victory, it's time to face the inevitable disappointment and benighted promise of his presidency.

Which I know, I know... it is vastly preferable to the unthinkable alternative of McCain weaseling in there. Still! I will be sure to check in on the train wreck GD will become by March or April. A few NSA briefings, and wham! Obama is mortal after all.

[Blue_In_AK]

13. Thank you, ZombyWoof, for the words of reason.

I'm cautiously optimistic about a potential Obama presidency, but I want to see some tangible improvements before I go all ga-ga.

[L0oniX]

6. Don't give the press that idea ....geeze I am still sick of that camelfuck shit.

[maddiejoan]

7. Shhhhhhhhhh.

It's only a model.

[Tropics_Dude83]

8. Basically, I am trying to say his presidency will be extraordinarily special n-t

[maddiejoan]

11. Then you should edit your OP title

as it would actually be Camelot III.

Camelot I was with Merlin and King Arthur and stuff.


BTW --Who will you be supporting NEXT week?

[Two Americas]

33. I can feel it in my bones

Problem is, at my age that is not a good thing.

[rodeodance]

9. lots of fairy tales

[sfam]

14. Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government....

Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not some... farcical aquatic ceremony!
I mean, if I were to go around calling myself President because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!

[TheDoorbellRang]

18. LOL

I love that movie. Funny how bits of it keep showing up this primary.

[rodeodance]

21. what you spike that kool-aid you drinking with??

.......Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government....



Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not some... farcical aquatic ceremony!
I mean, if I were to go around calling myself President because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!

[rug]

12. I'm thinking more a Man From La Mancha.

[sfam]

15. Are ya sayin Barack has a good singing voice, or did you mean something else? nt

[TheDoorbellRang]

20. Are you perhaps implying Obama supporters are little Sanchos?

SANCHO
I like him, I really like him.
Tear out my fingernails one by one, I like him!
I don't have a very good reason,
Since I've been with him,
Cuckoo-nuts have been in season...
But there's nothing I can do,
Chop me up for onion stew,
Still I'll yell to the sky
Though I can't tell you why,
That I like him!

ALDONZA
It doesn't make any sense!

SANCHO
That's because you're not a squire.

ALDONZA
All right, I'm not a squire.
How does a squire squire?

SANCHO
Well, I ride behind him... and he fights.
Then I pick him up off the ground, and...

ALDONZA
But, what do you get out of it?

SANCHO
What do I get? Oh! Why, already I've gotten...
I've gotten...

ALDONZA
You've got nothing! Why do you do it?

SANCHO
I like him, I really like him.
Pluck me naked as a scalded chicken,
I like him!
Don't ask me for why or wherefore,
'Cause I don't have a single good
"Because" or "therefore!"
You can barbecue my nose.
Make a giblet of my toes,
Make me freeze, make me fry.
Make me sigh, make me cry.
Still I'll yell to the sky,
Though I can't tell you why.
That I like him!
**********************************************

I prefer to think of myself as Dulcinea, thank you very much. :rofl:

[rug]

22. Dulcinea, yes. But I'm still partial to Aldonza.

MULETEERS
Food! Wine! Aldonza! Aldonza!
I come for love, I come for love,
I come to Aldonza for love!

ALDONZA
One pair of arms is like another
I don't know why or who's to blame,
I'll go with you or with your brother
It's all the same, it's all the same.
This I have learned:
That when the light's out,
No man will bum with special flame,
You'll prove to me before the night's out,
You're all the same, you're all the same.

So do not talk to me of love,
I'm not a fool with starry eyes,
Just put your money in my hand,
And you will get what money buys!
One pair of arms is like another,
I don't know why or who's to blame,
I'll go with you or with your brother
It's all the same, it's all the same.
This I have learned:
That when the light's out,
No man will bum with special flame,
You'll prove to me before the night's out,
You're all the same, you're all the same.

Oh, I have seen too many beds,
But I have known too little rest,
And I have loved too many men
With hatred burning in my breast.
I do not like you or your brother,
I do not like the life I live,
But I am me, I am Aldonza.
And what I give, I choose to give.
One pair of arms is like another
It's all the same, it's all the same!

MULETEERS
Aldonza!

[TheDoorbellRang]

28. And even Aldonza is finally won over

ALDONZA
Why do you do these things?

DON QUIXOTE
What things?

ALDONZA
These ridiculous... the things you do!

DON QUIXOTE
I hope to add some measure of grace to the world.

ALDONZA
The world's a dung heap and we are maggots that crawl on it!

DON QUIXOTE
My Lady knows better in her heart.

ALDONZA
What's in my heart will get me halfway to hell.
And you, Señor Don Quixote-you're going to take
such a beating!

DON QUIXOTE
Whether I win or lose does not matter.

ALDONZA
What does?

DON QUIXOTE
Only that I follow the quest.

ALDONZA
(spits)
That for your Quest!
(turns, marches away; stops, turns bock
and asks, awkwardly)
What does that mean... quest?

DON QUIXOTE
It is the mission of each true knight...
His duty... nay, his privilege!
To dream the impossible dream,
To fight the unbeatable foe,
To bear with unbearable sorrow
To run where the brave dare not go;
To right the unrightable wrong.

To love, pure and chaste, from afar,
To try, when your arms are too weary,
To reach the unreachable star!

This is my Quest to follow that star,
No matter how hopeless, no matter how far,
To fight for the right
Without question or pause,
To be willing to march into hell
For a heavenly cause!

And I know, if I'll only be true
To this glorious Quest,
That my heart will lie peaceful and calm
When I'm laid to my rest.

And the world will be better for this,
That one man, scorned and covered with scars,
Still strove, with his last ounce of courage,
To reach the unreachable stars!

[Gore1FL]

16. Just a few thoughts

Wouldn't this be Camelot III??

The first one was Arthur, not Kennedy!!

"July and August cannot be too hot" sounds good--passing Kyoto, perhaps?

[Straight Shooter]

19. The Kennedys, a tragic political dynasty

Joe Kennedy basically bought the presidency for John. Rumors persist of the Kennedys' association with known members of the Mafia. John Kennedy was a notorious womanizer. Romanticism of JFK displays a willingness to overlook the deep flaws of "Camelot."

The best thing I can say about John Kennedy is that he was an exceptional hero on PT109. In that regard, Barack has absolutely nothing with which to compare himself to John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

Can you imagine what would happen today if a president appointed his own brother as Attorney General? :o

[sfam]

27. This is a step too far. We can say much better than that about Kennedy...he set a visions...

for the nation. Say what you will about the power of Oratory, but in Kennedy's case, it got us to the moon, and called on a nation to look at what they could do for their country instead of for themselves. That message still resonates, even if its often ignored.

[Straight Shooter]

29. He got us to the moon, which means without Kennedy, no Corning Ware!

:hi:

"The leader in scientific research has been the space program. Teflon for your pans, came from heat shields, the camera on top of your notebook computer came from the need for Apollo 11 astronauts to have a camera they could carry on the moon. Kevlar, most plastics, advanced ceramics, high optics, Corning Ware cooking ware are all products of the space program."

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070809182331AAZ2Yhc

[Zomby Woof]

31. Let's be honest about Joe

He was a force to be reckoned with, and then some, so I am thankful his sons had enough moxie to blunt his ultraconservative influence. Bobby in particular could really piss him off with his liberal idealism (despite his numerous flaws and mythologizing, RFK remains the one Kennedy I truly respect).

Joe Kennedy was the greatest political machine since Tammany Hall. He was so venal, egomaniacal, crooked, and corrupt, I am almost positive Prescott Bush was off taking notes on what being a soulless dynastic patriarch was all about. Too bad Bush succeeded. He got TWO of his descendants in there. Don't think they don't keep score. Lots of bad blue blood between clans in New England.


As for the moon... yes, that too is shrouded in American Apple Pie Mythology. What was sold as a "We can do anything we set our minds to" adventure in exploration and "new frontiers" (ha), it was, in the end, just another Cold War dick-waving contest, as was revealed when more archival papers were released a few years back. Marketed brilliantly though, and one helluva an accomplishment.

I'll give him points on the PT-109, but not mention that "Profiles In Courage" was ghostwritten - which beats plagiarism, anyway.

[Darth_Kitten]

26. It's all about imagery not reality, huh?

n/t

[Two Americas]

34. sales and marketing

We are seeing an extremely effective and successful, slick and polished and carefully concocted sales and marketing campaign. I suppose that had to happen sooner or later. We are so accustomed to being bombarded with corporate sales and marketing efforts, that many people cannot even recognize that this is what we are seeing now in politics. We shall see how effective this approach is with the general public soon.

[GoldieAZ49]

35. Obama's are no Kennedy's not even close

nary a one of them, fantasyland

[judasdisney]

36. From an Obama supporter: Not Camelot #2 but Jimmy Carter #2

Jimmy Carter's much-maligned presidency was undermined by the National Intelligence State, including George H. W. Bush. The October Surprise of 1980 (and probable CIA Bush-faction involvement in the taking of the Iranian hostages to discredit and destabilize the Carter Administration) is well-documented <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Sick>.

Cheney's Sleeper Cells <http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1118-23.htm> in the Federal Bureaucratic Agencies (not just CIA/DIA/NSA/DOD but FDA, EPA, State Department, Federal Judiciary, etc.) include career & lifetime appointments: The Neocons are not going ANYWHERE.

Add to this the newly hatched Clintonista anti-Obama smear faction.

Add to this the Federal Reserve's monetizing of debt, resulting in an intentional collapse of the U.S. dollar.

Add to this the ongoing intentional destruction of the U.S. military in Iraq/etc., to be replaced with the intentional self-incentive-izing Frankenstein of military-industrial paramilitaries like Blackwater, CACI, Titan, etc.

Subtotal: "Malaise" at best, Great Depression #2 at worst (with Obama as FDR in the Business Plot chapter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot).

Wildcard: September 2008 U.S. attack on Iran to boost McCain/mask the true reason for the U.S. dollar collapse/hand the keys to a trashed heirloom to President Obama.

Grand Total: Scapegoat President.