West Virginia is HRC's 3rd victory by more than 20-points

[book_worm]

HRC (20+ points)
Arkansas +44
Oklahoma +24
Not sure what final margin will be in WVA but it will be over 30-points.

Obama (20 + point victories)

Alaska +50
Colorado +34
Georgia +35
Idaho +63
Illinois +32
South Carolina +28
Kansas +48
Minnesota +34
North Dakota +24
Louisiana +24
Nebraska +36
Washington +37
Maine +20
DC +51
Maryland +25
Virginia +29
Hawaii +52
Vermont +20
Wyoming +23
Mississippi +24

[Bright Eyes]

1. Ok?

[book_worm]

4. just pointing out that while it's a big win for HRC, Obama has had this kind of win many times.

[Bright Eyes]

13. Good point.

[roguevalley]

27. Rachel Maddow is making that point right now on after hours with dan abrams

she made three. he has a dozen or more.

[redqueen]

38. Thank God for Rachel Maddow.

She's a desperately needed voice of sanity on those shows... she's the antidote for the talking point spewing gasbags.

[King Coal]

41. They don't call her the come-back kid for nuttin'!

See, she was right all along. She wins West Virginia, and yes, Virginia there is a Santa Claus!!!



:sarcasm: (for the satire impaired)

[juajen]

59. Some of those are caucus states. Have you seen the

results of the Nebraska primary. Obama won, but the last time I checked he was just over with 3 points, not the wacked out totals of the caucus. Almost all of the caucus totals are illegal in my opinion. In the states where there was a caucus and a primary, Hillary either came close, or won, as in Texas. This is certainly indicative that the caucuses are inaccurate measures of the vote and also are easily manipulated. Anyone can vote in open caucuses with no ID necessary, so caucuses can be flooded by voters from a different party and even from different states.

Additionally, in red states, the republican vote was heavy for OBAMA, not for Hillary, as was evidenced by the vote in NC, where admitted republicans were polled voting 3 to 1 for Obama.

It is one thing to win the primary, quite another to win the GE. If Obama supporters lie to themselves about his vote now, they will pay the price in the GE. I'm amazed at the "win at any cost" attitude of the O camp and the bullying and immaturity of O supporters.

[JFN1]

64. "I'm amazed at the 'win at any cost' attitude of the O camp ..."

"...and the bullying and immaturity of O supporters."

Uh-huh...right...

In psychology, psychological projection (or projection bias) is a defense mechanism in which one attributes one’s own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts or/and emotions to others. Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the unwanted subconscious impulses/desires without letting the conscious mind recognize them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

66. P.R.O.J.E.C.T.I.O.N. and C.O.G.N.I.T.I.V.E. D.I.S.S.O.N.A.N.C.E.

Why am I not surprised...

I thought her supporters didn't care about the "small" states... BWAH!!!!!!!!!!

[gal]

69. I just have one question..

Did you protest them when Bill Clinton won them? Were they illegal then to?

They are part of our voting process..deal with it.

[ExPatLeftist]

74. How long have you campaigned for primary election reform?

Is this a long-term issue for you or a recent concern?


I do not agree fully with all of the rules of the primaries, either. But I do know that once one has entered a competition to which one has agreed to the rules (and even signed a document approving the rules), then the time for debating the rules is over.

For someone to complain about the rules in the middle of a game while losing is sour grapes. To complain about the rules and try everything to get them changed in the middle of the game is simply cheating. And it is also quite bad for the tone in our party and, perhaps more importantly, about our party from the outside.


I think election reform, for many election processes in the States, seriously needs to be reformed to be more accurate in general, but when heads are clear and definitely not when an election is ongoing. (That being said, I cannot even see that any viable changes could be made to the rules, even at this point in the election, that would change the obvious outcome.)

I hope that you and others making similar complaints will continue to seek reform when the time is right - between cycles.

[Lucky 13]

2. DAMN!

:rofl:

You fuckin made my night.

[K Gardner]

3. Thanks for putting this together. I was wondering about that the other day and wondering WHY THE

FRICK none of the pundits ever talk about THESE numbers !

[LuckyLib]

63. The MSM is busy leading their newscasts with stupid questions: "Can she do it? Is Hillary making a

comeback?" Leading uninformed, idiotic Americans who don't read to think she actually has a chance.

No. The media is lying each and every time it raises these questions, tells this stupid story. It's over. Why can't they tell the truth? Oh, that's right. It's our media. No truth there.

:banghead:

[robertpaulsen]

5. I'd like to extend my sincerest congratulations to Hillabee Clinton.

:rofl:

[gateley]

6. K&R - nt

[YWC08]

7. Thanks for posting this!

[Blarch]

8. nice.

[Ichingcarpenter]

9. In Architecture Less is More

But not in politics

[book_worm]

10. true.

[cliffordu]

11. He just won states that don't count, though...

[book_worm]

12. Now Hillary thinks a small red state counts.

[DogPoundPup]

29. Red states suit Hill, she's a republican n/t

[bigbrother05]

24. States only count when HRC wins it

[ORDem]

67. Well, I think she's finally coming to the realization of what counts and what doesn't.

Not even she can ignore the math at this point. She's simply trying to go out on a high note and will start lobbying for the VP slot. Obama ain't dumb, however, so she'll have that effort short-circuited as well.

:dem:

[Ichingcarpenter]

14. Is Pat Buchanan a Racist and did his Editorial Yesterday help Clinton?

In defense of Hillary
by Patrick J Buchanan

Posted: May 12, 2008
8:40 pm Eastern


World Nut Daily


I don't want to even post his shit here
but the point is he is on her side.


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=64150

[The River]

20. Yes and Probably

Does that idiot have a real job anymore or is
he a permanent guest (employee) of MSNBC?
I guess if they need the bigot viewpoint on
a show, he's top of the line merchandise.

[Ichingcarpenter]

22. I hope some people read his editorial

It was total bullshit as normal.

[indimuse]

44. I read it! Every thing he said was FACT!

And unfortunate. The Obama's should be ashamed!I say the Obama's because I remember Michelle on the campaign trail...spewing and spinning for black votes..what better way than to accuse your "Fierciest" opponent! The damage this will cause in the long haul...is very daunting.

[wiggs]

15. West Virginia was a couple of free throws for Clinton while down

by 30 points in the fourth quarter. This is not a rally nor is it evidence of an Obama collapse. If Obama had campaigned hard there he probably could have closed the gap but he recognized a) he didn't need to close the gap to win the nomination, b) he'd never win there, and c) hopefully he's talked with Clinton and has allowed her a big win so she can bow out on an up note with everyone smiling.

If she had bowed out earlier, he still would have garnered only an embarrassingly few votes. This way she gets a positive bump in her image, Obama avoids embarrassment and continues on.

[book_worm]

16. yep, because Obama will be back next wek with a win which will blow whatever margin she gets out of

WVA.

[The River]

17. Too Little

Too Late.

[wiggs]

18. knr. nt

[high density]

19. I guess that's why Obama is the nominee

and Clinton is still on the field by herself like there's a game being played.

[book_worm]

26. Three more weeks and it will be over for good.

[cjsmom44]

21. RE: And?

And your point is? yawn

[book_worm]

25. Simple this "big victory" by her isn't something that Obama hasn't done 6 times over

something her supporters seem to forget.

[roguevalley]

28. Oregon will erase any gain here for her.

[Heather MC]

62. Obama has 30 SD's coming to his side this past week, already erasing her irrelevant WVA win!

And Hillary knows it. it will take more time for her supporters to figure it out because they only listen to the stuff they want to hear her say not all the stuff she says

so to help the Hillbillyites, I dissected the most important parts of her Concession speech last night. I know there will be some who will fight the truth, but it's her words, she is slowly excepting that she lost, not is losing, she has lost!

Breaking it down, reading between the lines of Hillary's "Vic..er..Concession" Speech

1. She calls Obama by his title/name. He is now Senator Obama
no longer "the other guy" or "my opponent"

2. She says his name 3 times!!

3. She compliments him

4. She acknowledges that both of them want to seat ML and FL

5. She points out the importance of getting a Democrat in the Office in November

6. She calls for her supporters to "think hard about where we are in this election, about how we will win in November " i.e. Vote for Obama no matter what!

7. And the most important thing she said last night, "And I will work my heart out for the nominee of the Democratic Party to make sure we have a Democratic President."

SO let her run to the end of the primaries she know she has lost. that's what's important. I was getting nervous she really thought she was going to win.


"I want to commend Senator Obama and his supporters. This continues to be a hard-fought race, from one end of our country to the other."

"both Senator Obama and I believe that the delegates from Florida and Michigan should be seated."
"Now, in a campaign, it can be easy to get lost in the political spin and the polls or the punditry, but we must never lose sight of what really counts, of why all of us care so much about who wins and who loses in our political system."

"I deeply admire Senator Obama,"

"We all want a better world for our children, and we want the best for our country. And we are committed to putting a Democrat back in the White House. And our nominee – our nominee will be stronger for having campaigned long and hard, building enthusiasm and excitement, hearing your stories and answering your questions. And I will work my heart out for the nominee of the Democratic Party to make sure we have a Democratic President."

"I’m asking that people think hard about where we are in this election, about how we will win in November, because this is not an abstract exercise. This is for a solemn, crucial purpose: to elect a president to turn our country around, to meet the challenges we face and seize the opportunities. It has been a long campaign, but it is just an instant in time when compared with the lasting consequences of the choice we will make in November. "

[montanto]

65. True. She's gonna get blasted in Oregon.

[Zambero]

78. Portland-Multnomah / Eugene / Corvallis / Medford-Ashland

A WAVE for Obama!

[psychopomp]

23. Congrats to Sen. Clinton

She should end this thing on a high note so that she can effectively shift her supporters' enthusiasm to the nominee.

[sofa king]

30. At the risk of stirring up a hornet's nest...

Do any of those three states have a chance of going Democratic in the general election? Seriously, I don't know, and I'm really not trying to imply anything by the question. But I am curious.

[Veilex]

34. Considering the dramatic numbers

of Democrats that have come out to vote in those states (and the number of Republicans who have switched parties or wont vote at all this year), it's really not a question of if we'll have a democrat in office but rather which democratic candidate we end up

[lumberjack_jeff]

31. This is misleading.

You're comparing apples to oranges. Washington had a primary as well as a caucus. The Obama margin of victory in the primary was 5%.

If a 30 point swing can be demonstrated between caucus result and an actual election, it is apparent that a caucus is deeply flawed.

[book_worm]

32. It's not misleading and there are several primary wins in here too

Obama has won more primaries by bigger margins (not only caucuses) than Hillary has.

[MNBrewer]

33. I know... caucuses don't count

we've heard it before.

[ExPatLeftist]

35. Perhaps there is something wrong with the caucuses...

But even if that is the case, the time to change the rules to the game is in the off season, not in the middle of a game.

Personally, seeing people complain about how "unfair" ANY of the rules in this primary tells me they are simply POOR SPORTS, as they would be seen in any contest.

I am sick to death of people criticizing the election process and wanting to change it to benefit their candidate. According to the RULES, Hillary is gone. If you want to change the rules of the nomination process, then the time to do that is after the election. We'll see how many people that are complaining right now are still around then pushing for primary election reform...

If my 3 year old son was in a game and losing and could do nothing but complain about the rules, which he knew beforehand and agreed to, he would definitely be getting a time out to think about sportsmanship. That anyone over the age of 3 still resorts to this crap is mind-numbingly asinine.

[NM Independent]

60. EXACTLY

You just nailed it. It looks like we finally have the answer to why this country is going to hell.

People don't raise their kids anymore. That is to the point that half the people voting in this primary weren't taught, or don't seem to understand the basic childhood lesson of FOLLOWING THE RULES. If you don't follow the rules, then you suffer the consequences, ie. FL & MI.

It's that simple.

[lumberjack_jeff]

70. Relax.

We are where we are.

The OP was predicated on Obama's 20%+ margin of support in a variety of states, including Washington. My point is that Obama doesn't have a 30% margin of support in Washington, he has 5%.

[ExPatLeftist]

72. So? What's the point?

A victory is a victory.

And this primary is also a victory for Obama, assuming that we go by the rules as they were agreed before the primary began.



I am completely relaxed. But if I was not, I am also completely unlikely to take orders from strangers.

[lumberjack_jeff]

75. "a victory is a victory" is precisely NOT the point of the op.

The margin of support was. Obama's margin of support is not accurately reflected by the caucus results.

Whether this fictitious and arbitrarily-determined support is a prudent way to award delegates is a good question, but not the point I'm trying to make.

[Cha]

52. Tough Shit...Those are the rules and I know..

if we had repuke rules hilary would win. But, she knew the rules going in or was suppose to anyway if she were smart enough which we now she's not smart enough.

[NM Independent]

57. Stop trying to invalidate the caucuses

It's getting pretty old

[lumberjack_jeff]

71. They're valid for allocating delegates.

As a reflection of popular support, not so much. It does us all a disservice to pretend that they are a legitimate proxy for voter behavior in the general.

[Zambero]

77. Hillary's supporters were welcome at caucuses

But few bothered to show up and voice their support. Just whose fault was that?

:idaho:

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

79. Bullshit

Many people--after the state Democratic party spent a month telling its constituents that the primary didn't count-- didn't bother to organize for a meaningless primary.

The real lesson? Hillary does better when it doesn't count.

[lumberjack_jeff]

80. No, the real lesson is that Hillary does better in elections. n/t

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

81. Go cry about it.

If her campaign had two firing brain cells, she would have realized that Washington was a winnable state for her. They didn't, she got clobbered, and now she's not the nominee.

[samsingh]

36. this is cool

[Elspeth]

37. kick

:kick:

[Az_lefty]

39. Good info for rebuking Clinton's BS....

thanks...:kick:

[BlooInBloo]

40. :)))

[NorthernSpy]

42. don't forget the US Virgin Islands -- Obama got like, 92% of the vote there!

:)

[Ken Burch]

54. wow...so our coalition includes VIRGINS, too!

(Isn't that what that means?)

[AlbertCat]

43. From Tom Tomorrow's blog

Bob Harris:
Now it’s just getting sad
Today’s Washington Post, riding along with Hillary yesterday in West Virginia:

2:57 p.m., Yeager Airport, Charleston, W.Va.: A steep descent brings Clinton’s plane to Charleston’s hilltop airport. After an appropriate wait, she steps from the plane and pretends to wave to a crowd of supporters; in fact, she is waving to 10 photographers underneath the airplane’s wing. She pretends to spot an old friend in the crowd, points and gives another wave; in fact, she is waving at an aide she had been talking with on the plane minutes earlier.

Photo of Clinton doing this sad wave here.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/13/AR2008051302862.html?hpid=topnews

Tom Tomorrow's site:

http://www.thismodernworld.com

(the latest comic is hysterical)

[krispos42]

45. Handy map

[Baby Snooks]

47. Revealing map....

Reality is many of the states Hillary Clinton did well in were states that had early primaries before her campaign decided to pull out the kitchen sink and drowned Hillary Clinton in her own sewage.

Reality is she played the race card. And is continuing to play it. Which is why she won by the margin she did in West Virginia. And polls indicated a majority in West Virginia are racists.

How about being honest? There is rampant racism in the Democratic Party. There has also been no attempt by the Clintons or their campaign, and it is their campaign, not just hers, to condemn it. Instead they have pandered to it. Karl Rove would have never treaded where they have.

Reality is she might not win in many of these states if the primaries were held at this point.

She will destroy the party before this is over. And probably will not bat an eyelash. Just as long as she is the nominee.

By hook or by crook she will be the nominee. My prediction.

If she manages to win the White House, she will destroy what's left of this country. My prediction.

[krispos42]

48. And also...

...she won a few only after Huckabee dropped out and disruptors began screwing around a little with our primaries.

[AlbertCat]

50. Revealing

If she manages to win the White House, she will destroy what's left of this country. My prediction.

Oh calm down now....

what you DO see, I think, is what I see. This:

"We are winning!" when they clearly are not. Sound familiar? We don't need another stubborn Machiavellian with a sense of entitlement who when in a hole, will spend a bundle on more shovels. That's what I get from Hillary that I don't get from Obama. Otherwise, their policies are not that different. But this "I know better" and "I'm fighting for you" when clearly she's fighting for herself...plus the making up her own reality bit, is oh so familiar and most un-welcomed.

[Stuckinthebush]

46. Stop it with the facts

Just cut it out, OK?

;)

[anonymous171]

49. C'mon. Alaska has a huge AA population.

[LibGranny]

51. Why not just declare hrc "queen of WV" and be done with it?

[democracy1st]

53. lol

[Ken Burch]

56. We sure do...that's why we call ourselves "the 'hood on the tundra".

n/t.

[SwampG8r]

61. yes its true

but obamas outreach to the Anchorage crips and the treaty with the Juneau bloods worked to bring that vote to the polls
now if only his behind the scenes work with the Nome latin kings plays out he will lock up the arctic hispanic vote

[GoesTo11]

55. She can't win big states big!

Small states are sort of like counties of bigger states.

Here are all the states over 4 million population where there has been a blowout.

Colorado
Georgia
Illinois
South Carolina
Minnesota
Louisiana
Washington
Maryland
Virginia

Wonder how these were split.

[nichomachus]

58. Hot Damn! She has Joementum!

[happygoluckytoyou]

68. JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN...

JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN as a Shakespeare would say,
Trips along softly on the tongue this way--
JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN
Let me say it once again.
JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN
That's the old guy that "knew me when."

.............older than dirt..... smarter than dirt..... able to leap to conclusions in a single bound.......a who, dressed as centrist citizen fights for WAR...MORE WAR...And an American Way

[liberalhistorian]

73. and

You left out:


Virgin Islands: +77
Democrats Abroad don't remember exactly, but I'm pretty sure that it was more than 20 points


also I just read that Clinton's West Virginia win was by 31 points.

[Utopian Leftist]

76. big & small

So she wins the big states but by a small margin.

He wins the small states by a big margin.

Very odd dynamics at work here. I wish I could figure out why that is.