John Aravosis (Americablog) FREAKS OUT! And says what many of us here are thinking

[NYCGirl]

The title is "Go away, you horrible human being"

http://www.americablog.com/2008/05/go-away-you-horrible-human-being.html

IT'S NOT CLOSE. YOU FREAKING LOST THE NOMINATION, WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?

Good God. What is wrong with her? The Clintons and their campaign staff don't give a damn that they are now hurting our electoral chances in the fall against McCain and against the Republicans in Congress. Their campaign isn't happening in some vacuum, and they know it. Our candidates can't fundraise because of her. Obama can't focus on McCain because of her. Obama is wasting money on HER, rather than spending it on McCain, because of her. EMILY's List, and AFSCME, and the American Federation of Teachers and others are wasting their members' money on her now-failed race - money that they could be spending, should be spending, on other real races, races that haven't already lost. She can't win, the math says she lost the nomination, but she doesn't give a damn. She's going to stay in the race like some spoiled hateful egotistical brat.

Why is the media even covering her? The only stories that should be written about Hillary Clinton is how much damage she's causing our party. How she's hurting fundraising at the DNC - they even admitted it, they're not raising the money they need to fight John McCain because of this woman. Why don't you write some stories about how she is hurting our candidates who can't fundraise because of her? How she has forced EMILY's List and AFSCME and the AFT to waste their money because of her. How she has caused a civil war in the Netroots. Five months ago we all felt that we had 3 great candidates. Now, far too many of us loathe Hillary Clinton, and she has done her racist best to ensure that her supporters can't stand Barack Obama either.

The Clintons don't give a damn about our party. Their party, their church, is themselves. To hell with everyone else. I actually liked Hillary up until a few months ago. Other bloggers used to tell me that Joe and I were too nice to Hillary. People just assumed that we were endorsing her. Now I actually loathe her. She makes me yell at the TV like she's George Bush, and no one other than George Bush makes me yell at the TV - until now. I actually can't stand her or her husband any more. I defended her. I defended her husband. And now I'm actually wondering if the Republicans weren't right about them. That's how bad she has damaged her reputation. People who actually liked you, who actually helped you, who actually defended you, LOATHE you now. Call me a Clinton-hater all you like, but people like me were the ones who had your back. And we never will again.

Let me close with what Mike Huckabee just said on MSNBC:

"The happiest person in America tonight is John McCain."

[Blue_In_AK]

1. Hyperventilate much?

Since snarkiness seems to be the rule of the day, I'll throw some in. :evilgrin:

[gabeana]

4. Hope your snarkiness

is not directed to the OP because this is from Americablog,
by the way a spot on article don't you think?

[Blue_In_AK]

I'm just snarking in general this morning

because I'm tired of all the hand-wringing around here and elsewhere. I don't hate or love either of the candidates, which is kind of liberating actually.

I mean no offense.

ed. And, yes, I was snarking at the writer of the article, not the OP. It was over the top.

[KSinTX]

130. A new liberation front?

I'm with you!! Let's form a team, find a quiet corner and plot against a common opponent, say Team McCain and his Republicans :toast:? You're onto a very good idea and I like it a lot!

[Blue_In_AK]

143. Back at ya.

:toast: All this primary in-fighting has been really distracting. It seemed like a lot of people were forgetting who the "real" enemy is. I'm sure we'll all come together in the end, though.

[KSinTX]

131. A new liberation front?

I'm with you!! Let's form a team, find a quiet corner and plot against a common opponent, say Team McCain and his Republicans :toast:? You're onto a very good idea and I like it a lot!

[krkaufman]

176. You don't have to like either of the remaining candidates for the reality to be obvious....

... and to be of the same opinion as Aravosis. Clinton is now imperiling Democratic chances in November.

[Snarkoleptic]

163. I love the smell of snark in the morning...smells like...victory!

[Cha]

45. Red Fucking Herring much?

:evilgrin:

[Blue_In_AK]

53. Ah, whatever...

You can't outsnark me today, so don't even try. :evilgrin:

[Cha]

60. Oh that you half as snarky as you

thought you were.

[Blue_In_AK]

76. Oh, that I WERE half as snarky, is that what you're saying?

I give up. You're right. :shrug: Are you happy now?

[roguevalley]

78. BLUE! Huggies.

How's the weather your way? it sucks down here. between the wind and the
wet, my plants are having fits. Hugs to you today, my dear blue.

[Blue_In_AK]

88. Hi, Rogue!

Thanks for the hugs. My reasoned, sensible and neutral approach to this primary season just does not seem to be appreciated here today. :rofl:

Yeah, the weather sucks here, too. I've been growing my seedlings indoors for several weeks now, but promptly killed most of them when I put them outside to harden off. The wind is horrific, and this 45-degree-high stuff is just getting old. I think we got spoiled back in the '90s with all those early springs. Somehow I got it in my head that we could ignore the "don't plant until Memorial Day" rule. How wrong I was!

But looking on the bright side, I guess this means global warming catastrophe, for Southcentral Alaska, at least, has been averted for another year or so.

[roguevalley]

95. true indeed

:evilgrin: I am just hoping I have something left when I go home.

Take care and keep those piccies coming. You are upholding the honor (and tourism potential) for our entire state. :P

[Blue_In_AK]

96. The Tourism Board needs to pay me. Ha!

[Owl]

2. K&R

[K Gardner]

71. Update to top of thread: He's on MSNBC right now talking about this article !

[iconocrastic]

134. Another Wright-like blowup and she'll be the nominee

And what would we do if she weren't available then?

She has 4every right 5to stay in the race.

Moreover, it's her duty.

[kiteinthewind]

3. kick nt

[Justitia]

5. I agree. She clearly wants to Destroy the Democratic Party, 90s redux.

She can't have the White House, so no Democrat will have the White House.

Siege mentality. Scorched earth.

The Clintons are poison to Our Party.

I wish I had listened to the older, wiser Dems in the 90s who said to get rid of them back then - they were right.

[sallyseven]

207. You are un american and nuts to boot.

I want her to finish. There are other people in this world besides the Freeper rabble on this site. Everyone should be able to vote. You people that are screaming for her to quite are afraid that some of the stuff about Obama will come out. Live with it he is no saint. He is arrogant and obnoxious. The press is waiting for him and they will crucify him.

[Swamp Rat]

6. Amen!!

[The_Casual_Observer]

7. Why does he think his opinion matters?

[BlueCaliDem]

39. Because it's accurate To. The. TEE. Oh, and that bothersome 1st Amendment thingy and such. eom

[BlueCaliDem]

42. Oops. K&R - not that it would help the Hillary people. They're...

... still not willing to open their eyes. Still marching to the Clinton Racist March drumbeat.

[TBF]

49. It's not just his opinion - it's my opinion too. We should have a vote

I bet it resonates with a whole bunch of people out there. Oh, that's right, we did vote and Obama is ahead by miles. She's still got the hard-working white racists, and that's about it.

[otohara]

52. Why Do YOu Post Here?

aren't you sharing your opinion?

[roguevalley]

79. John is good people and one of the more important blogs. check

him out. He put Dr. Laura to sleep from TV among other things. ANd he worked in government with these people.

[K Gardner]

8. Absolutely K&R !!

[AtomicKitten]

9. Amen and amen.

:thumbsup:

[LisaM]

10. This is so unconstructive. Haven't you already gotten rid of enough Hillary people?

If Skinner wonders why DU fundraising is down, if the DNC isn't getting money, I think they need look no farther than articles like this to see why. First, Obama is sucking up all the money. His fundraising numbers are through the roof, other fundraising numbers are down. This is Hillary's fault? That is a REACH.

I WILL donate to DU this fund drive because I don't think the admins meant for this site to be hijacked by supporters of any one candidate in a close election. After this, though, I will question whether I should pay any more to be insulted here on a daily basis.

It's so disingenuous to say that this article says what so many people are thinking. THINKING? They shout it from the rooftops every day.

[BlooInBloo]

13. Fundraising is down because of all 20 Clinton supporters?

[PoliticalAmazon]

56. Hillary supporters aren't willing to even fund Hillary's campaign....

...I can't imagine they would be inspired to fund the DU website.

[NYCGirl]

17. Actually, DU fundraising is running ahead — we're over halfway to the 1000

and it's only Wednesday. The pace usually picks up in the last couple of days (and payday is tomorrow for many of us, Friday for others).

This primary, BTW, is not close. It's over.

[LisaM]

24. Well yesterday (or maybe Monday) Skinner said fundraising was down

I didn't make it up. I didn't say it was nonexistent.

I hope that your statement "only 20 Hillary supporters are left" isn't something you're proud of.

[NYCGirl]

28. I didn't say "only 20 Hillary supporters are left". NT

[ChairmanAgnostic]

194. true. most of them are center, center-right.

[cali]

18. I agree with you. I think this article is the worst kind of hyperbole

And it's horribly written to boot. Blaming Hillary for all and sundry ills, isn't even logical. What a pos article.

[NYCGirl]

27. That's why I said he was freaking out. He usually is a good and thoughtful

writer — but he is obviously pretty damned upset.

[cali]

32. then he should have taken a deep breath beforre releasing this

noxious spew.

[ProSense]

40. No, this is the

worst kind of racist BS, yet people post it here and condone it.

Blaming Hillary for the divisive campaign she has run and her continuing argument that Obama is unelectable is perfectly reasonable. The race is over, it has been over. Not a single contest that was deemed the next big thing for Hillary has changed the dynamics. She could have continued her campaign without the nastiness. At one point, her campaign was hyping the fact that the GOP was using Obama against Dems as proof that she was the better candidate.

Aravosis is upset and used blunt language, but his sentiments are spot on.

[Cha]

59. Thank you, ProSense.. I think John Aravosis

is dead on with his rant. hilary's rove approach will not go unanswered by Thinking Dems.

[EFerrari]

19. This primary hasn't been "close" for a long time. n/t

[merh]

31. bullshit - get this straight, it's the economy - just like the important

issues of this campaign which most hillary supporters can't grasp.

You aren't hurting DU's efforts, you are just whining - we are in a recession, folks can't hardly afford to make ends meet and right now DU is a luxury. Donate to DU, buy gas for your car? Donate to DU or buy milk?

You folks are just like Hillary, so damned convinced of your own self import you will fore sake what is best for this forum or the party just to be right, just to have backed the right candidate, just because you can.

Like I said, you guys ignore the important issues with all of your whining and we deserve better - hillary can't run a campaign, she owes small vendors and schools and universities and cities and counties money for hosting her gatherings, for giving her a stage to boast of her entitlement and commonness (as her tens of millions earn interest in some off shore bank).

It's the economy - its the economy here that hinders DU's fund raising efforts and it is the economy, or hillary's suck ass approach to it, that is important and that she is failing at. Don't promise me you can fix the nation's economy if your campaign is $20 million in debt, don't even go there.

[hfojvt]

48. How does this article insult you?

It's about Hillary, not about Hillary supporters.

As for the website being hijacked, I think it is just democracy in action. Aren't there still a number of Obama-bashing threads? There were last night - he's losing his base, he cannot win, Obots will blame Hillary when he loses, etc. And there have been numerous threads like your post, complaining about the behaviour of BHO supporters.

[murielm99]

84. I'm not donating this cycle.

I will wait and see what happens to this site. It is not the fun and educational place it used to be. I am less inspired to find and post articles myself, too.

[KnaveRupe]

153. As a Clinton supporter, you shouldn't be donating to DU right now.

Or Taylor Marsh, or Talk Left, or whoever else for that matter.

Your candidate needs every penny you can spare. That $20 million debt ain't gonna settle itself. Hell, Bill and Hill have loaned the campaign a big chunk of change. The least you can do is help them recoup some of their losses.

Once you've maxed out your personal limit to the Clinton campaign, then you can donate to blogs.

[AlbertCat]

211. in a close election

This is a close election?


To begin with, it's not THE election, and secondly, it's not close. Obama has the lead. I lost all interest in the primary thing when Edwards dropped out. Obama is not my 1st choice but, as it seems he will get the nomination.... unless Hillary pulls a fast and sneaky one...I'm for him. I'm for him because he's the Dem candidate....obviously.

Close election....that's a good one.

[totodeinhere]

Thank you for posting this. That article is spot on. K&R.

[Texas Hill Country]

11. how bad would it be if hillary dropped out and still won WV and KY by 40 pts?

[CakeGrrl]

81. Why are people thinking that is such a big deal?

All it proves is that people vote their choice if it's on the ballot. She was heavily favored.

It would not have changed my mind one iota that I was backing the better candidate. What do I care if some WV and KY voters would have wanted to spite Obama for not being Hillary? I've seen plenty of that threat right here.

Aravosis was spot-on. I'm glad I'm not the only one who has that GWB-type reaction when she's on TV. That's her own doing. I didn't just wake up one day and feel that way. This campaign is poisoning the Clinton "brand" and what's increasingly disturbing is that she doesn't seem to get how it's apparently affecting her reputation in Washington - based on footage of her being avoided on the Senate floor yesterday.

[frylock]

161. that would be teh a wesome!!1!

i :heart: hillarey

[eridani]

188. A good reason to stay in until KY, IMO n/t

[IndianaGreen]

12. Mike Huckabee: "The happiest person in America tonight is John McCain."

Huckbee hit the nail on the head after watching Hillary's spectacle of a victory speech in WV.

[NanceGreggs]

14. ...

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[1776Forever]

21. Love it - Right beside you!!!

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[rucky]

15. This will be forgotten in a couple weeks.

Quick, who won Idaho? No cheating.

I don't remember, either.

[merh]

16. Yup, he says what a lot of us feel

Though I don't hate or loathe her, she fills me with ennui, I want her to go away and let us campaign. I pity her and her supporters, how delusional, how sad that they keep this thing alive - a Terry Schiavo campaign, it's been without life for some time now, propped up by those who just refuse to accept the facts, recognize the truth, without a soul (unlike Schiavo, this campaign hardly had a soul to begin with).

Let it find rest, let the rest of us know peace so we can face what is before us.

[skyounkin]

183. A Terri Schiavo campaign?

Wow, a tasteless but spot on analogy.

[LakeSamish706]

20. As I have posted before on DU its seriously time for the DNC to take a serious...

look at both Hillary and Bill as far as continuing to have them in the Democratic party! As has been mentioned here before, Hillary is probably staying in to damage Obama to open a bid for her run in 2012, and that to me is disgusting.

[Texas Hill Country]

26. fine, continue to alienate, force her out of the party, run her as an Indy and rip your party apart.

good move

[BlueCaliDem]

51. OR instead, continue to alienate AAs, force the majority out of the Democratic Party, run

... as Repub-Lite DLCers and rip the COUNTRY apart with a Bush 3rd term via McCane just as long as we appease the racists, the Repub-wannabes, the HUGE Clinton ego and the More-Of-The-Same "Democrats".

Like that one better? :eyes: :sarcasm:

[roguevalley]

87. you give her too much credit.

[totodeinhere]

111. If she's going to run as an indie, then she really does need to leave the party.

And there is no doubt in my mind that we can win without her and her supporters. Considering the shambles that this country is in after eight years of Shrub, Darth Cheney and company, McCain couldn't even be elected dog catcher. My prediction is Obama in a landslide, whether or not he gets support from Clinton supporters.

[Grinchie]

189. I think Hillary would fail in the Corporate party

I really dont think that many people would go for the Corporate party.

Is Your Colon RoundUp Ready? Ask Monsanto How!

[asjr]

67. And what you just wrote is disgusting!

Go ahead, blame the Clintons. Everyone and his dog has done that for years and years. It is always nice to have a Clinton to blame for all your troubles. And I am sure the DNC will listen to you. If they heard from you they would say Who the hell is that? I am sick and tired of the Hillary bashing--it is the same as bashing me and others who support her. And all this talk of change and hope. Well I hope to hell you will change and shut up.

[LakeSamish706]

105. Lol... Ok, I'll shut up now just for you... But it still does not change the facts. n/t

[Grinchie]

190. Actually I blame the DLC for attempting to make Democrats Repug-Lite

Unfortunately, for some people ethics is too hard or expensive to maintain.
Like Mark Penn, for example.

By the way, did you know that Hillary is the DLC Poster Child?

I guess it's time to sweep them all out, so we can actually facilitate change, instead of being mesmerized by an unending "Conversation".

[lolly]

101. Good Idea!

Let's chase away the only Democrat who's been able to win the presidency--twice--in the last 30 years!

Rove would be so proud--he's figured out how to get us to destroy each other.

[jonestonesusa]

110. So Bill and Hillary Clinton are identical?

Or are they different people?

[totodeinhere]

115. That was then and this is now.

And that's what is so tragic about all this. Indeed Clinton did bring us back to the promised land after so many years of GOP domination. Although I was too young to vote for him at the time, I supported him.

But now he has thrown that all away with his divisive anything goes tactics trying to win it for Hillary at all costs. It's really sad. He used to be a national treasure, but no more.

[Fovea]

127. But Bill won't be president

which I think is a good thing, because we have all the third way our nation can take.

Another round of Free Trade (Labor busting) agreements, "welfare reform", and the tenaciousness they showed during the last attempt to fix the broken system of healthcare in America. Did I mention business and accounting deregulation, the WTO, media consolidation, don't ask don't tell?

Bill was ok with all that.

yes, the nineties were a great decade to be middle class, college educated, and live on the coast. But it was not all a Fleetwood Mac concert for the under privileged, the folks in the rust belt, in the working class.

[Grinchie]

191. Don't Forget Bill's Gift of Installing Corporate Insiders into the USDA, FDA and APHIS.

He was National Treasure and instrumental in homogenizing our food supply into GMO Corn, Soybean, Canola and Rice, Factory Farm Chickens, Pigs and Cattle, Aspartame and all the other poisons that his buddies in the Corporations conveniently are not required to tell us about, yet happily dump into our food supply without our knowledge.

The Clintons are Corporate shills, barking for the Walmarts of the world, and thats the reason they haven't quit yet.

Is Your Colon RoundUp Ready? Ask Monsanto How!

[Ready for Change]

116. Dems divorcing from the Clintons

Can't remember where I heard this, but someone said or wrote that the Dem Party is divorcing the Clintons after a 16 year marriage. Like all public divorces, it is ugly.

I'll add that it's like the Dem Party is divorcing an abusive spouse, where the Clintons increase the acrimony and get nastier when they realize that they are being dumped. Serves them right. Bill with his triangulating with the Repugs devastated the Dem party in Congress and numerous states in the 90s.

We should be in the last year of the Gore administration, but apart from the theft by the Supreme Ct, Bill hindered Gore by playing right into the hands of the most vicious of the Repugs and Ken Starr b/c Bill could not keep his pants up.

Obama and his wife make a great couple. They will lead the country and the Dems to the promised land.

[paulk]

121. yeah, let's kick the Clintons out of the party

every time I think I've seen the all time stupidist post on DU

someone comes along and provides me with another.

change!

hope!

unity!

[jhain]

22. this was me last night.

I went ballistic when the first thing she did was beg everyone to throw money at her website and the last thing she did was tell some tale about some poor sucker little kid who sold his bike for her.
She is making me a raving lunatic. And, I always loved her so.

Bill is caca after all of this stupidity, btw. No more Big Dog.

[kid a]

23. K & R - yep, exactly

[ProSense]

25. Stop it now! You must congratulate Hillary on her hard-fought campaign

and pretend it's all good.

I for one am looking forward to the next Hillary-style Democratic campaign. It will be thrilling---race baiting, distortions, Democrats on both sides warning the candidate to keep it clean, people in the candidate's camp calling him/her out for dumb and racially insensitive comments, and maybe even another vile racist like Larry Johnson championing the candidate. It'll be a blast. This is what the Democratic Party has become. We have a new standard. Yay!

Hillary's impossible math:

Current plus FL and MI (Obama get MI 55)

Obama 1883 + 122 = 2005

Hillary 1717 + 178 = 1895

Obama +110

There are 241 superdelegates and 189 pledged delegates left.

Let's say they split the super delegates 50/50: each get 120

Obama 2005 + 120 = 2125

Hillary 1895 + 120 = 2015

Needed for the nomination 2209

Obama 84

Hillary 194 (or all remaining pledged delegates plus 5)



Three more weeks to the inevitable.

[kid a]

37. TOO much SENSE

[Cha]

63. hilary will never turn the Democratic Party

into little rush limpbaugh dittoheads much to the panderer's chagrin.

[Botany]

29. Team Hillary's gift to America

A scorched earth campaign when the outcome is already
known. She just wants to pay of her debts and is looking
for suckers to do just that.

[eagertolearn]

215. Is that the 1906 SF earthquake? n/t

[TexanDem]

30. geez! This sounds very close to an email I just sent!!!

[AspenRose]

33. Damn.

:wow:

[Rene]

34. The Clinton's DO care about the Democratic Party.

It's so sad to see the nasty obama campaign try to steam roll them. I know I will never vote for obama. Hillary's my candidate...

Go Hillary...fight all the way to the Convention floor.

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[lumpy]

102. Thank you Miss Pottymouth for defending Obamaites against

'negative drivel'. Please don't give up using it youself. Obama needs all the help he can get and negative posting will only help him, of course. Pity many people here are thinking of not voting for him because they feel he might just be as nasty as his supporters on DU.

[kid a]

61. its not the obama campaign, girl, the people are the steamrollers

[Cha]

64. Nasty Nasty Nasty hilary...

[truedelphi]

80. No the Clintons don't care.

Now that most of us realize what NAFTA did to this country, now that most of us care about the fact that so few people own so many media outlets, (Thanks Bill Your 1996 FCC bill - that sure helped democracy)
Now that people understand that the Big Banking industry is not your friend (The bank reform of 1999) - many of us relaize that the CLintons never really cared.

It is just that during the last part of his second term, the Internet still wasn't the powerful force it is today.

Yesterday (figuratively speakding,) Hillary could say one thing at one campaign stop and another thing at the next. That cannot happen these days - nott with YouTube showing the truth.

And how can she be claiming to be an environmentalist if she is willing to nuke Iran??

[Ken Burch]

86. why, when it has to hurt the party for her to fight on?

Why can't you accept the reality that she can't win the nomination?

[roguevalley]

92. I would vote for satan before I wouldn't vote dem. Get out of the

party. you are no dem. go make another party. she can run for the nom.
No true dem would say what you said.

[rhett o rick]

140. I nominate Rene as Kyle of the day.

http://www.amny.com/topic/sfl-cldanation07citymay07,0,1798413.story

[bigtree]

36. The primary hasn't yet ended. Obama hasn't won the nomination.

This writer doesn't really like democracy much.

[nichomachus]

41. Are you saying that more Clintonian treachery lies ahead?

[ima_sinnic]

132. oh, yeah, like HIllary still has a chance to win --

have you ever played a series of card games where you agreed "3 out of 5" would be the winner?
so say the person you're playing against wins the first 3 -- are you going to pout and stamp your feet and hold your breath until you get to play games 4 and 5? to what end?

people who want to continue Hillary's ridiculous, nonsensical campaign are just like that. She's still on the ticket, you can still vote for her (though why you'd want to is beyond me, since she simply cannot win, there is zero chance she can win), so why can't she be gracious and concede, as Kucinich, Edwards, Richardson, Biden, and Dodd all did? Those people all have CLASS and they are the ones who truly "care about democracy," because they knew it would just sap the strength of the Democrats to be fragmented and bickering over them when they knew they wouldn't win.

She is simply stealing oxygen at this point. And the primary process is not "democratic."

[rhett o rick]

141. So you believe that Sen Clinton can still win the nomination? Please explain how that can happen?

Denial is a long river in Egypt that lots of people seem to be drifting down.

[truebrit71]

38. Amen. Time for her to go...in fact, to mis-quote her husband.."it is PAST for this to end"...

...

[Catherine Vincent]

43. He's clearly ranting for attention.

He does it like the best of them.

[mmonk]

44. LOL. Thought this reply was humorous:

"you need 3,000 delegates to win"-Hillary after Puerto Rico

[OneSelf]

46. Kick

and rec.

[zulchzulu]

50. I've been saying this for months...

...the Clintons are POISON at this point.

I've defended them all through the 90s and up to this year, I didn't mind them. But now... these people are NUTS.

[Kittycat]

54. Ouch.

kick & rec.

[AntiFascist]

55. Someone has to stand up for the Democratic white supremists n/t

[Cha]

57. Yeah, hilary can go along with her Noxious Shit and

it's "politics as usual" but when someone gets upset at what she's doing then, "how dare he"?

Good on John Aravosis for letting it all hang out..hilary's not the god damn end all that gets to do what ever she wants and everyone else has to STFU.

[MilesColtrane]

109. Damn Oliphant's good!

That drawing of Hillary on the throne really captures her inner character.

[CaptJasHook]

58. Surprised it took him this long. She had me here a month ago.

And I too, was a staunch Clinton family supporter, for 15+ years.

[Cha]

69. I had hilary's number in Oct 2002...

that's when the pic I took of her here in New York(May 2001) got taken outta the frame and into the trash bin where it belonged.

[CaptJasHook]

98. You win. Just curious, what was your last straw?

I am out in Oregon and had stopped following her Senate pursuit.

[Cha]

158. When she voted for the IWR without even

reading the 90 page NIE report and started mimicing bushspeak which she never stopped doing until the pols told her she was a loser on that ploy.

[burythehatchet]

62. Carbon copy of my sentiments. The most divisive politician in Democratic party history.

[greguganus]

68. Don't you mean XEROX???? n/t

[wyldwolf]

65. A reminder

In 1980 Ted Kennedy never dropped out. He went to the convention with 1,225 delegates. Carter had 1,981. 122 delegates were uncommitted. Kennedy had even less of a chance to secure the nomination than Clinton has today. Kennedy went so far as to try and get delegates to change their allegiance while the convention was happening! Yet his supporters then, and even many "progressives" today, respect Kennedy for the principle of his futile fight.

And when Carter secured the nomination, and Kennedy refused to stand with him and raise his hand in victory as is traditional, where were the howls of outrage then? Well, from the left there was stone cold silence. No cries of party division from the left. No idiotic proclamations that the "Kennedys (Clintons) don't give a damn about our party" from the left. Kennedy was treated as a hero.

If it's such a horrid thing now, when will Ted Kennedy apologize for the side show he put on in 1980 at Madison Square Garden when he was down by over 700 delegates?

Now, I do happen to agree that Hillary should pack it in and get behind Obama for the good of the party. But these childish over-the-top temper tantrums coming from the left and directed at Clinton for doing something she is perfectly allowed to do based on party rules adds no credibility to the bloggers that do them. They should also cease... for the good of the party.

[Swamp Rat]

70. "childish over-the-top temper tantrums?" ... Oh contraire!

A much more accurate statement would be: people's feelings and opinions after being "man-handled" for the past three months.

[wyldwolf]

73. so that's the point you want to differ on? Ok

If anyone believes their feelings and opinions are being man-handled, you're easy marks for used car salesmen.

[Swamp Rat]

74. LOL! Fool me once...

:D

[lumpy]

147. The Ugly American is alive and well and the numbers are

growing by the second. If the shit that has been expressed on DU is an example of peoples 'feelings' there is going to be a tremendous need for more shrinks and mental treatment facilities. Manhandled, how delusional !

[Swamp Rat]

166. Speaking of denigration: "ugly, delusional, Obamaites...."

"there is going to be a tremendous need for more shrinks and mental treatment facilities."

"just like a certain person who has commandeered the white house. Disgusting bunch."

"Those who have slandered the Clintons are just as bad as anyone has ever done who claim to be of the Republican party."

"all I have heard from most Obama supporters here is pure filth, showing the ugly under belly of this once great country."

"I hope I can find a liberal forum that only allows intelligent discourse without invectives."

Good luck on your quest for perfection. You will need it. :hi:

[lumpy]

167. Sorry this is the way I feel. I'm sure I wouldn't feel such

animosity toward some those Obama supporters if they (and you) had used less poisoness arrows against Clinton and her supporters. I have heard few vicious words slung around about Obama from Clinton supporters. Very hard to hear these sort of vindictive slurs said about a woman who is admired by many people.

[Swamp Rat]

172. Ah, I understand.

By the way, I am a Kucinich supporter, who has been attacked so many times by Hillary supporters that I have begun to react on a much more visceral level. I was only attacked maybe twice by Obama supporters, and only one of them was really nasty about it (I was defending a Hillary supporter who is a friend).

I believe Hillary's campaign was destroyed by Mark Penn, Howard Wolfson, and really nasty 'supporters' (some of whom are not even Democrats). THAT is why she will lose the nomination. Not because of the Obama supporters.

[lumpy]

178. I am a Kucinich supporter also. Rarely do voters vote with their

brains but go for personna, empty rhetoric without really looking at qualifications. This is been a very close race; so many Obama people here fail to realize that fact and believe the primary has been a landslide. I am disgusted with the ignorance that has been displayed here. If by some mircle Clinton gets the nomination, how do you suppose the Clinton haters will respond? hang their heads in shame or continue to rant against the woman as well as Bill Clinton. Before this campaign did you hear much ranting about Bill Clinton and his misdeeds? I sure as hell didn't hear much of that. Have we been invaded by underage neophites or freepers? or has this country gone completely nuts?

[Grinchie]

192. Nobody said that following your convictions is easy

Try buying food that isn't laced with untested toxins from GMO Corn, Soya, Canola. Try buying hamburger that isn't made from the carcasses of hundreds of animals from all over the world in one patty. Try buying products made in America. Try buying organic Chicken feed.

If you try any of these things, you will find that your choices are limited, and your budget has just doubled or perhaps tripled, and your fuel costs have risen cause you need to go look for these items.

I personally believe Kucinich makes the most sense, and is the most intelligent by far, and I certainly hope he becomes the VP. Obama is the next best choice, as the Clintons have the taint of 30 years of corruption and empire to ever stand for a change in the system.

Clinton = Business As Usual Spoonfeeding the Corporations.
Obama = Last chance to take the U.S. Back and start riding herd on runaway Corporate Greed.

Clinton behaves like a Corporation, thats why I would never vote for her. She carries the taint of all her creepy advisors, not to mention being an accomplice in the Rose Law Firm. ADFA anyone?

Plus, is it just me, or does she actually make any sense at all when she drones on for minutes at a time? She's a Corporate lawyer for pete's sake. She sure doesn't communicate like a lawyer, or at least a lawyer that doesn't hold a client/attorney relationship with other interest's not Democratic.

[arikara]

75. Good informative post

I think people are just fatigued by this extra long and ugly campaign and are eager for it to come to its inevitable conclusion so that life can go on.

edit: typo

[wyldwolf]

77. Thank you. But if they are fatigued by it they should not add to it. Agree?

[arikara]

118. Human nature... fatigue brings out more base instincts and reactions

My daughter is in the home stretch of an extremely fatiguing and frustrating nursing course. She said her class mates all got along at first and hung together. But morale has been sliding downhill as time goes on, people are tired, overworked and tempers are fraying and nobody is acting as if they like each other anymore. Once the marathon course is over, the new nurses will all be friends again.

Once the marathon primary is over so will the divided dems. Everyone is just wishing it was over with already.

[lumpy]

148. Fatigued? well maybe. I just think they like to bully people

by denigration just like a certain person who has commandeered the white house. Disgusting bunch.

[JBShakes]

103. It's a fair historical comparison, but can I ask you this?

-Did Ted Kennedy take any of the Republicans' potential talking points (Ayers, Rev. Wright, etc.) and amplify and reinforce them with the Democratic electorate?
-Did Ted Kennedy help reinforce demographic/racial divides, so that Carter would have an infinitely harder time making headway with those voters in the general?
-Did Ted Kennedy run around the country spouting nonsense about how Carter was "disenfranchising" two key swing states, making it more difficult for Carter to carry those states in the general?

The issue here isn't whether or not Senator Clinton has a RIGHT to continue on in this primary. She does. The issue here is whether it's RIGHT for Senator Clinton to continue on in this primary. The tactics she has employed up until this point have only damaged Senator Obama's chances come November, and she had damn well make good on all of those promises to "work as hard as she can" to get the Democratic nominee elected in November, no matter WHO it is, or I think many Dems would have every right to want to run her, her husband, Howard Wolfson, Mark Penn and a host of others from her campaign out of this party on a rail.

[wyldwolf]

107. Actually, Kennedy and his surogates did the opposite

They attempted to brand Carter a "Dixiecrat." They questioned his Democratic credentials and principles. Up to and on the convention floor, Kennedy supporters mounted a "Go Home Boll Weevils" campaign against the Carter delegation.

It wasn't too different than what the Obama supporters, and the left in general, have been doing to Clinton throughout the campaign.

[JBShakes]

114. Just so I'm clear, I was genuinely asking the question.

I was 6 at the time. I've been impressed by the "softening" of the tone of Senator Clinton's campaign since IN/NC, and I do tend to believe her when she says she's going to be out there fighting for the nominee, regardless of who it is - but I do have to admit that I have some rather grave concerns about the damage done at this point for both candidates.

I was extremely disheartened by the "hard-working Americans, white Americans" comments - it sounded like pure dogwhistle to me, and from a candidate who has based her entire campaign on the idea that she's superior when it comes to policy, suggesting that suddenly her supporters would either sit it out or choose McCain over a candidate with similar policies just because it wasn't HER was awfully close to the line.

[Truth2Tell]

151. And those damn Boll Weevils

still haven't left. Kinda like bedbugs, or http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,103992-page,1/article.html">The World's Worst Computer Viruses. Very hard to shake.

[lumpy]

145. Been interested in and have followed politics since I voted

for Adlai Stevenson in 1948. I have never witnessed such venom against any presidential candidate, Dem or Rep. I am heartsick as to what this country has become in so many ways. And now the brawling, the slanders, convoluting facts, outright cruelness from people who claim to be Democrats is simply beyond the pale. Those who have slandered the Clintons are just as bad as anyone has ever done who claim to be of the Republican party. It was not too long ago that people were praising Bill Clinton on this forum, hanging on his every word, wishing he had one more term. Loyalty in this party has evaporated and all I have heard from most Obama supporters here is pure filth, showing the ugly under belly of this once great country.

[bvar22]

209. Your memory is faulty.

Bill Clinton has been held accountable for bad policy since the inception of DU. Bill was often called the "Best Republican President in 100 Years".
*DOMA
*Welfare Reform
*Telecommunications Act 1996
*NAFTA
*MFN trade status with China
*Turning his back on LABOR
*Failure to pursue HealthCare Reform
*Inappropriate Pardons
*Covering up blatant crimes of previous administration
*Connection with the DLC & "New Democrats"
*Losing the majority in the House and Senate on his watch
*Working to lend legitimacy to the Bush WAR administration
*Shunning the Liberal Wing of the Democratic Party
*Palling around with Walker Bush, lending him legitimacy

All these criticisms of the former President were common here. Very few defended Bill, though one who did is now active in this thread. He was a very small minority on DU.
While acknowleging his policy disasters, most here were willing to ride easy on Bill and focus on current problems, though his chummy association with Walker Bush was always frowned upon.


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[dmr]

210. Your whole post is entirely accurate.

"While acknowledging his policy disasters, most here were willing to ride easy on Bill and focus on current problems, though his chummy association with Walker Bush was always frowned upon."

[pollo poco]

169. That was before

Now our country is in the grip of fascists. They set the tone across the board, drawing everyone into their warlike definition of debate. They have all but killed reasonable discourse. Left and right were more reasonable, courteous, and respectful in 1980. Now, the "my way or the highway" attitude has become the norm. Unreasonable is the new reasonable. Yelling is the new debating. Ignorant is the new smart. Preemptive is the new self defense. Gross is the new funny. Childish is the new mature. And to Hell with rules! No one has any respect for them. Due process is a rule. Geneva Conventions- more rules. Separation of church and state-pointless rule. Party rules don't even show up on the radar. Americans do not have to follow the rules! Rules are for other people. Disagree? We'll kick your ass! These warmongers have infected our nation with their war, and the prevailing tone of the conversation here reflects that. I am truly sorry for my own militant tone in the past weeks. I really didn't see how deep this has gone. We want peace- but we make war. Right here!

[bvar22]

184. Ahhh.....just a clue, but

....The Democrats LOST in 1980.

Maybe a "blood on the floor" Democratic Convention is NOT a good thing?

[wyldwolf]

206. my point entirely

When will Kennedy admit so?

[bvar22]

214. What possible good would that do?

Much more important and pertinent question:

When will Hillary and her "supporters" wake up to the damage they are doing?

[dlfuller]

66. K&R

[Misskittycat]

72. Thanks for the heads-up about MSNBC. I read the article this morning.

[me b zola]

82. .

:kick:

[Mongooseflies]

83. Halleluh-jah!

:headbang:

[dailykoff]

85. He was a big Hillster too.

Ouch.

[mountainvue]

89. There goes whatever respect I had for him. n/t

[wvbygod]

90. Another anti-Hillary zombie shows his colors

The democratic party does not need this kind of hate and lack of unity.

[EFerrari]

94. I love these posts.

"Another anti-Hillary zombie shows his colors
The democratic party does not need this kind of hate and lack of unity."

[walldude]

104. Apparently the "I" words are missing from his dictionary

you know.. "Irony".. Can't tell you how many posts I've seen that start "Those cultish Obamabots don't know how to do anything but call people names"... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[happygoluckytoyou]

91. JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN

YOU NOTICE THAT OBAMA IS NOW IN STATES THAT ARE UP FOR GRABS IN THE G E N E R A L ELECTION

THERE IS A REASON....
...............HE ALREADY WON THE NOMINATION...AND HE KNOWS IT....

SO LET'S GET ON WITH THIS BUSINESS....

JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN..... HIS HANDLERS HATE TO SEE HIS NAME AND PARTY ON THE SAME LINE
JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN..... HIS HANDLERS HATE TO SEE HIS NAME AND PARTY ON THE SAME LINE
JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN..... HIS HANDLERS HATE TO SEE HIS NAME AND PARTY ON THE SAME LINE
JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN..... HIS HANDLERS HATE TO SEE HIS NAME AND PARTY ON THE SAME LINE
JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN..... HIS HANDLERS HATE TO SEE HIS NAME AND PARTY ON THE SAME LINE
JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN..... HIS HANDLERS HATE TO SEE HIS NAME AND PARTY ON THE SAME LINE
JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN..... HIS HANDLERS HATE TO SEE HIS NAME AND PARTY ON THE SAME LINE
JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN..... HIS HANDLERS HATE TO SEE HIS NAME AND PARTY ON THE SAME LINE

[Cieran]

93. I called it on the night of PA...

that Hillary would have dropped out then and there, had it not been for the impending landslides in WV and KY.

Now I hate her neocon, drug smuggling, union busting, divisive ass as much as you do, but she HAD TO STAY IN for the 2 weeks following PA up until May 20.

As others have pointed out, how would it have looked if Hillary dropped out last week, and then Obama got crushed in WV after being the only candidate still in the race. The corporate media, led by Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, would absolutely demonize Obama over the "fact" that he couldn't win WV with Hillary out of the race. Hillary HAD to stay in the race FOR UNITY.

Now that WV is over, she is going to be using it as a big fundraising push to alleviate her debt, and go into May 20th expecting to win KY and lose OR, giving her the perfect "opening" to finally drop out. Oregon will finally be the clincher in putting Obama literally over the top instead of just mathematically, and KY will even out the night so Hillary can drop out while saying "Well, we both won a state tonight, but it just wasn't enough, Obama finally clinched it".

I called it this way the moment IN was called last week. And it's shaped up to happen exactly so.

[Stardust]

180. Hmmmmm...well, that gives me some hope, at least. Thx.

[wowimthere]

97. Most politicians care about themselves first but ...she takes the cake

Her arguments about big states won and pulling all sorts of talking points out of her ass sound Bushian, Rovian. When you listen to her surrogates they match the lunacy that has been part and parcel of the Bush administration. They come up with a rationale for staying in every other hour. Didn't we hear that in the run up to the war and the surge? Like the Bush administration they aren't an impressive bunch of liars. They look like emperors with with nothing but toe rings on.

[wowimthere]

99. If her cause for civil rights is so well regarded then now we see that she is all talk on

that front. If you use race as an issue to divide then you are in affect a racist. The thing that bothers me is that she thinks us "latte drinking" liberals aren't smart enough to figure this our.

First her war vote.
Now race-baiting.

Rest assured if she had been the nominee she could never get my vote anyway. I put her on the same footing as John McCain. He didn't vote for the MLK holiday either.

[RainDog]

100. sadly that has been my journey too

yes, she has every right to remain in the race. however, the longer she does, the more she alienates people. this election cycle is about change. major change. the republicans have an 80% disapproval rating. they are losing seats in solid hard red states.

Hillary is not and cannot be the candidate for change because of her history. That's just not her narrative. It never can be. She cannot inspire people in the way that Obama does. These things aren't the down and dirty part of politics, but they are a very important part of leadership, like it or not.

The only way she can hope to win now is to change the rules she agreed to, which puts her in the position of a spoiler. So not only is she the candidate of the past, she would be the candidate who crushed hope. Not a good place to start a presidency, imo.

[ProSense]

106. Check out Emily's List reaction to NARAL's endorsement of Obama

Malcolm blasts NARAL

A rift in the women's movement, as the head of Emily's List -- a key Clinton backer -- attacks Naral for endorsing Obama:

I think it is tremendously disrespectful to Sen. Clinton - who held up the nomination of a FDA commissioner in order to force approval of Plan B and who spoke so eloquently during the Supreme Court nomination about the importance of protecting Roe vs. Wade - to not give her the courtesy to finish the final three weeks of the primary process. It certainly must be disconcerting for elected leaders who stand up for reproductive rights and expect the choice community will stand with them.

These people truly are of the mindset that Hillary is owed the presidency.

You don't understand, Hillary doesn't believe it's her fault she is losing

Hillary is not losing because of sexism.

[Justitia]

119. I quit supporting Emily's List some time ago - they continue to support non-progressives on choice

and when I called them on it, their justification was the weaselist reasoning I have ever heard.

They claimed they would support Democrats "as long as they don't make a direct vote against choice"

I saw them support several women who voted all around that little caveat and one of them was the last straw.
They also supported candidates who directly voted against GLBT issues, which is non-progressive.

Before quitting them I had a feeling for some time that they were not entirely genuine in who received their support, their choices seemed a bit like political gamesmanship.

I remain a committed supporter of Planned Parenthood and now I know where to send my Emily's List money (NARAL).

[lumpy]

173. People are supporting Clinto because she is considered

the better candidate. I have heard nothing on this forum as well as from Obama to convince me he would be the better candidate. Thanks to the Obamaites here I will not cast my vote for either Obama nor McCain.

[Grinchie]

193. In my neck of the woods, there are NO Hillary supporters that I can find.

If they are, they sure are quiet about it.

[Lugnut]

108. K&R

It's about time somebody said what needs to be said.

[FreeState]

112. And thats but one more reason I stopped reading his blog n/t

[DemGa]

113. The "Kos" crowd must surely be in a breathless tizzy over this one!!

[butterfly77]

117. Exactly...

[Jim Sagle]

120. John Aravosis ain't nuthin' but shit.

[lumpy]

150. I think this is the first time I have ever agreed with you Jim Sagle.

I wonder how many Obamaites will be posting here after this is over and go back to their closets. If they don't I hope I hope I can find a liberal forum that only allows intelligent discourse without invectives.

[debunkthelies]

122. The only thing I can add

Is that I think she is probably hated almost as much as Bush and Cheney if thats possible.

The only person I like in this campaign is the one who doesn't have to botox to look younger. :banghead:

[OwnedByFerrets]

123. K & R bout time somebody said it LOUD AND CLEAR

[hlthe2b]

124. Actually despite being for Obama, Aravosis is among those

whose blog/radio show/tv program/media column (pick one or more) have become unreadable/unlistenable/unwatchable/undigestable to me, due to their having become so vehemently and viciously obsessive about Senator Clinton.

I decided upon Obama during the Colorado Caucuses and have strongly supported him every since, but I am appalled at the level of vitriol towards HRC. Do I wish we'd designate our pick asap so that we can concentrate our time on exposing the "real" McCain? You bet. But, I am beyond annoyed at the displays towards Clinton and her supporters, that has begun to surpass anything we see/hear/or read aimed at McCain, the Repugs, or the Bush* administration. I surmise there is some explanation for it, but I'll leave that to others...

[VotesForWomen]

125. oooooh, he hates hillary. yawn. O supporters losing votes for O, one at a time.

[EFerrari]

128. I have yet to see you post a single postive statement. n/t

[merkins]

126. K&R - great post

[BlueJac]

129. Good on you for finally saying the truth......

It needs to spoken once in a while. I bet that felt real good. Thanks

[quickesst]

133. Ha-ha......

pretty angry individual, for a winner. Barring "something", Obama looks like the likely nominee, but he has a lot of supporters who have let anger drive them to irrational behavior.

"IT'S NOT CLOSE. YOU FREAKING LOST THE NOMINATION, WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?"

63% of democrats want her to continue. Glad to see that puts the angry people in the minority. Anger is not a good basis to build anything on, much less a presidency. Thanks.
quickesst

[Ellen Forradalom]

135. I like Americablog

but this guy was also freaking out over the Donnie McClurkin business. Does no one make him happy?

[pdxprog]

156. Lots of people basically like Obama but were upset by Donnie McClurkin

Many GLBT Dems weigh in the same way Aravosis does on this.
I count myself as one of those who supports Obama for the most part (since neither Edwards nor Kucinich remain in the race), but was dismayed and very nearly put off by the McClurkin kerfuffle.

(McClurkin kerfuffle... say that 20 times fast)

[Skarbrowe]

136. Actually, these kinds of posts might cost Obama the election. nt

[sagetea]

208. I think..

I have to agree with this. As a liberal who very rarely posts but I am here everyday reading and have been since `04, and just registered in `07,this is so sad that one or the other is refusing to walk in the others shoes.
We are all about peace and unity, but we keep slapping it in the face.
From what I have read, there is sick mean ugly things being said on both sides.
Ho`

[jeff30997]

137. "The happiest person in America tonight is John McCain."

Yep.I agree with that statement.DIVIDE AND REIGN. The weak have had recourse to this artifice in

all ages.

[juno jones]

138. K&R! n/t

[petgoat]

139. As the Senator from Ground Zero, Hillary had the opportunity to exercise some leadership

after 9/11.

It was for her to say "I'm as concerned about terrorism as anybody in the
legislature, but let's not let ourselves be stampeded by fear. Let's hold
back just a cotton-picking minute and at least read the USA Patriot Act
before we vote on it."

She didn't. History called her, and she muffed it.

[Bucky]

142. Aravosis is usually one of the sane ones. But I agree, he sounds like a panic monkey.

Quit hooting. It'll be okay.

[file83]

168. Aravosis is no panic monkey - he sees and knows the damage Hillary is causing

our party in the coming General Election. This is serious business in terms of dollars - the party is spending it's energy, time, and money fighting each other when it should be pooling for the fight against McCain.

Essentially, Hillary is doing the Republican's work for them, pro bono.

[Pharaoh]

144. Well when Fox News Loves ya!!!

There is a problem Houston...............

[HockeyMom]

146. I don't know this woman who was my Senator

and who I voted for. You are right. I have come to extremely dislike (despise) this woman.

Who is the real Hillary Clinton? I feel very, very used in giving her my vote for Senator over Nita Lowey.

[genna]

149. I strongly agree with the screed quality to this blog

The only thing that I was say is off between myself and this blogger is the question about the media.

It is interesting to watch someone SELF-DESTRUCT! There is a cheering line for and against the meltdown. If you've been watching the Clintons for years and you've never been able to crack open that base of support, NOW IS THE PRIME opportunity to see part of her fan base openly criticize and fillet her narcissistic character defining qualities.

No we didn't see them before. We were as proud of Clinton for standing up and hanging in there as her current devotees are now. If we have divided base because of the group who is now disillusioned or her current devotees, well it is what it is.

I don't believe that 45/55 poll which says Americans want the context to keep going. I think the media is even tiring of the win/loss story.

No better fodder for jokes than the sore loser angle.

[TexasObserver]

152. Very accurate. Hillary is in it for Hillary, and no other reason.

The only sincere bone she's ever had in her body was attached to Bill.

[joeybee12]

154. It's not what Obama supporters are thinking, they're just echoing it...

...we're not seeing much thinking from nutjobs like John and the rest of the left-wing echo chamber.

[MasonJar]

155. This is the kind of garbage that determines the dems will lose in Nov,,

not Hillary. The Obama ticket cannot win without the Hillary democrats. Why do the people on this site that support Obama refuse to behave in a sportsman-like manner? You are the ones helping McCain by your villification of Hillary supporters and of their favorite candidate. These kind of responses by Obamaists are the cream in McCain's coffee. Hillary will probably withdraw after the last primary. The race between Hill and Barack is good for the party; it is energizing voters who often stay home. Hillary Clinton can sway many of these voters to Obama, but not if she is villified. You all need to attack McCain and not Hillary. You all need to tell all the good you can find in Obama, not the bad in Hillary. You have been warned over and over on this thread, but nothing sinks in. Obama has won, so sit back and enjoy your candidate's victory and let ours leave when she decides the time is right. Obama knows this (he is already attacking McCain) and you are sowing the seeds of his defeat on a daily basis.

[eagertolearn]

204. Thats fine and dandy but in the mean time Hillary is creating images

about Obama that will never leave the "blue collared workers minds". Somehow she is going to need to back track a bit if she really is sincere about helping the party to win. The racist tone's that she has reinforced will be hard for someone like Obama to turn around before the GE. Those of us who have strong morals about this issue have been very disheartened to see something like this used by a democrat against a democrat. It shouldn't be used at all.

[kwenu]

157. I think she has been a horrible representative of women candidates.

I don't think a guy would ever act the way she is acting as it would be seen as supreme arrogance. Even Huckabee knew when to go and he was strange. Hillary will be hung around the neck of female candidates for generations.

[rg302200]

159. Well said.....I also yell at the TV when she is on

My fiance used to get mad at me because I would get so fired up, then after Clinton came out after Indiana and said she was going on to W.V. and Kentucky my fiance got pretty mad too. "Why?" She asked me, to which I had no reply....now we both just yell at the TV/Radio whenever we hear someone mention how Hillary deserves to stay in the race. Well what about me? I deserve to have a damn nominee now to take on McCain but all I have is a "presumptive nominee" because she doesn't know when to get her ass out of the race!

MAN do I loathe that woman!

[natrat]

160. DLC crooks-no other explanation

[no1dolo]

162. Ditto! n/t

[MannyGoldstein]

164. Yesterday, Before My Post Was Locked, I Asked

if there were any psychologists in the audience who could comment on Clinton's mental health. She really seems ill to me.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

165. thanks NYCGIRL ! my sentiments exactly. only he said it better ! nt K&R

[Why Syzygy]

170. The Republicans might be right about them. Ouch.

[Not Sure]

171. She's still in it to pay herself back on those loans n/t

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[Evergreen Emerald]

200. wow. Your sexist post is so offensive on so many levels I am not sure where to begin?

I guess...why bother.

[lucky leftie]

175. Step away from the computer...

Gosh, John's gonna bust a gasket. That horrible woman forced him to go negative and resort to character assasination!

Unfortunately for him, her voters-roughly 48% of the total-want her in. Sorry, John.

[Darth_Kitten]

177. What vindictive misogyny.......

this is very sad.

[rodeodance]

205. yes, whow. i just saw this. so many O.crickets loving it.

[quiet.american]

179. What he said, and double it. nt

[ginnyinWI]

181. Me too! nt

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[Grinchie]

195. I am also Interested in the Peter Paul vs Hilary case

I am happy to see that other people actually research the candidate and ask "WHY"?

Upon reviewing the Peter Paul case several months ago, I was astounded at the similar mechanism of quashing the case against Hillary years ago. Followed by the destruction of Mr. Paul's character, as well as the manipulation of the so called "Deal" by the Clintons. It smelled too much like Alberto Gonzales, the U.S. Attorney Scandal and it got me researching deeper into the Clintons.

I am a true believer that you cannot defend yourself against what you are not allowed to see. At this point, I believe that the Clintons have chosen to conceal quite a bit from us over the years, but the Internet has given them nowhere to hide. They cannot escape the scrutiny of America when all the people they screwed over the years come back with their version of the story.

As far as Mr. Paul goes, he paints a very grim picture which is very believable. Furthermore, as a Hollywood insider, I can see the rage he would be feeling after being treated the way he was. I personally would spend my life trying to right this wrong, after all, we are raised to believe in the rule of law. If certain classes of People or Corporations are not held to the law like the rest of us, we will have anarchy.

This is what Bush continued after Clinton left office. He made his own laws, much like banks and the fed make money.

I want to see a fair trial, and I want to see sunlight shine on the Clintons. They deserve nothing less, especially since they are seeking the highest office in the country.

[Why Syzygy]

198. Welcome to DU! Bravo!

Great post. We're glad to have you aboard. This is a story I'm piqued with also. I saw an interview program with Paul either on network or public t.v. I cannot believe the LYING. I urge you to start a new thread on this topic. Be sure to PM and let me know the link! :hi:

[NBachers]

185. Good Hate Magnet

I think DU should have a posting like this every day. A hate magnet. It can draw in all the DU'ers who are consumed with seething hatred and vituperative, gloating rage. Those who take malicious satisfaction in expressing themselves in a spiteful way.

All the people who have a need to rant, rave, snark, snarl, spit, talk trash and show contempt can flock to that daily post and excrete whatever bile they need to get out of themselves. Maybe it would lead to a little more peace and productivity on the rest of DU.

[Why Syzygy]

197. For the life of me, I cannot figure out why the likes of you think this is actually fun for us.

This isn't for jollies. It's the real deal. Consider another option besides assuming there is any satisfaction or good times to be had in pointing out the blatant truth. Just look at it through a black and white lens. Shrink it. Expand it. Make it whisper. Do SOMETHING other than sticking to your defensive position. At least if you decide to return to your current state, you will have seen something else and can quit having fits. Perhaps.

[Quixote1818]

186. K and R

[BenDavid]

187. hurting the party? bullshit....lets just say for example that obama

gets tangled up in some murder inquiry? What if something else comes out of his "closet"? Hell, maybe if something does comes out the whoremedia cannot control and prop up obama on this one, would it not be a good idea to have a candidate that can beat McCain, and if she had dropped out, all we would have is obama......

[NJmaverick]

196. He makes many valid points

[Prophet 451]

199. Aravosis is a sexist Hillary-hater!

Yeah, that's sarcasm. As much as I've heard Hillbots whine about Obama playing the race card, every single time someone says something less than flattering about Hillary, their first response is to accuse them of sexism.

The sad thing is, I used to respect Hillary and thought she'd make a decent president but the sense of entitlement, the complaints about the MI primary when it's the Clinton campaign that have blocked the only fair solutions, the constant complaints of sexism, especially when it's completely unwarranted; all of that's turned me off her. Now, I just wish she'd go back to New York since she's actually good at being a senator.

[april]

201. totally agree she needs to stop this insanity

[meow mix]

202. K&R

[nvme]

203. Obama has a great fighting chance

Hillary Clinton is fighting for her political life. If she stops the negativity and salvages a wonderful career helping many Americans. She is a probably a very shrewd person but her loyalties to incompetent people on her staff led her to blow this election. He moment if one could be defined was after she shed a tear (in jan b4 the NH caucus)It humanized her. It showed something we all understand it showed fear and frustration. Clinton has never really appealed to me but that moment made it easy for me to vote for her in Nov. After that penn and the rest of the upper echelon blew it . Her crown of inevitability fell. She started with this talking at you mix. The Nevada lawsuit really hurt it showed pettiness. The Hillicopter thing put egg on her face. Sniper fire on St patty's day destroyed any chance of her debating the "vietnam POW" on a stage. She could have gotten much mileage out standing up for obama. I am not saying pledging support but at least saying that her bullshit on 60 minutes hurt her as well "As far as I know". This has not been your typical campaign. These are not typical times. Neither Obama or Clinton are your typical front runners. Therefore they have to act atypical in their strategies.

One thing worthy of mention is: Ronald Reagan. It seems that "Thall shall not speak ill of a fellow party-member" is apr-apo.

Unfortunately too little to late. Clinton at this point needs to stay. (I don't enjoy this prospect one Iota.) Her campaign is well over 20 million in debt. This is a huge sum to retire. It gets even larger when most of America the reality of this being a failed bid for Senator Clinton.
So if you can send some money to her to help her pay this debt and allow her to suspend her campaign with Class.

[Divine Discontent]

212. Obama doesn't need to spend a DIME running against her

the full focus should be on McCain. He's a lock after these big endorsements in the past 24 hrs and his taking the lead with the Supers and triple digit delegate lead - the party would be flogged if they went against this to put HRC in the nom by way of the SD's.



NEW OBAMA ITEMS WEEKLY!
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[AlbertCat]

213. Since the math shows....

.....she can't win, where is the shame in conceding? How gracious it would look. I'd think more highly of her and she'd help the Dems. She's not "fighting for every one of you" like she says, she's fighting for herself. That ain't so gracious.

Does she HAVE to be friggin' president to get what she wants done? Seems to me you actually get more done if you're in the Senate. Al Gore and even John Edwards are moving forward and getting their thing done without being president. What's Hillary's goal? To get some good works accomplished or just to be top dog?

[DesEtoiles]

216. .