So what's the story on Elliot, Kranish and the 2nd affidavit???

[zaj]

First Elliot supports Kerry in 68... then he signs the 1st affidavit criticizing Kerry. Then he's quoted by Kranish saying that signing that 1st affidavit was wrong. Then it turns out that Kranish authored the Kerry/Edwards campaign book (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1586483145/qid%3D1091814589/103-0140240-9971026">Kerry-edwards by Michael Kranish ) that was just released and presumably paid for that by Kerry/Edwards campaign.

Then Elliot seeming signs a 2nd affidavit today saying that Kranish misquoted him and restating his support for the 1st affidavit.

There's something very sketchy about the whole thing. And I have to admit that I was shocked about the 2nd affidavit and to find out that Kranish authored the the Kerry/Edwards book. I'm not happy to hear either of these 2 latest details at all.

What's the deal? What did I miss?

Suprisingly, none of the news show's I've watched or heard on the radio have mentioned these last 2 (very confusing) events. They are just talking about the Globe article.

[lancdem]

1. I'm confused

Didn't Elliott also defend Kerry in 1996? What happened since then?

[zaj]

4. That sounds familiar... and possibly true. But....

I'm mostly interested in today's developments.

A (presumably paid) Kerry campaign author cites quotes an Elliot appology and retraction.

WTF???

Then the Not-So-Swifties roll out another legal document signed by Elliot contrasting the quotes in the Boston Globe.

WTF???

[Connie_Corleone]

6. See my post below...

n/t

[rocktivity]

10. Zaj, you owe me a royalty payment!

I posted this two minutes before you did, LOL!

...Freddy (Kruger) had been rendered defenseless to the point of being nonexistent. By losing his facade, he lost his power. And I've seen that same loss of power behind the eyes of the GOP talking heads since the Not-Too-Swift boaters set sail...

:headbang:
rocknation

[zaj]

14. Can I donate it to the DNC or MoveOn?

;)

[amazona]

2. how old is this elliot?

I know from unfortunate experience with elders in my own family that it could be shockingly easy to manipulate them into signing things they don't mean or understand, especially if they've had a stroke or if they have Alzheimer's or another form of dementia. It just sounds like this guy is now saying and signing whatever anyone wants him to.

I can't believe we are sitting here debating whether or not Kerry earned his Silver Star! Sheesh! The men actually there in the boat with him said he earned it, and that's good enough for me. All this he said, she said from decades later is ridiculous. If we are going to re-fight Vietnam, there should be more focus on: where was George?

Anyway, you're asking a good question, I hope someone can tell us more.

[Connie_Corleone]

3. Kranish did NOT write the foreword to Kerry's campaign book.

Drudge didn't do his homework on that one. Kranish was writing another book about Kerry/Edwards plans, but it was shelved by the publisher because they decided to publish the OFFICIAL Kerry/Edwards book, Our Plan For America.

Kranish had NOTHING to do with the Official book. It's just another Drudge fuckup.

As for the Kranish interview with Elliot, I don't know.

[zaj]

5. Well then its an Amazon.com f'up too...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1586483145/qid%3D1091814589/102-6761447-0510550

[Connie_Corleone]

7. That's where Drudge got it from.

If you read below in Editorial Reviews, the real book title is "Kerry/Edwards: Their Plans And Promises".

It's not the same book. Read the description.

[Connie_Corleone]

9. Here's the correct book cover for Kranish's book

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=106s05p9zZ&isbn=1586483145&itm=1

[zaj]

13. Well that's a reasonable confusion for sure...

... even for those who might actually be looking for the truth (certainly Drudge isn't).

But either way, that only refutes the "on the payroll" part. It doesn't refute the next logical step down... being a "supporter".

How do we get to the bottom of this? I'm stumpped... and I hate it.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

8. You are repeating a lie originated by Rush Limbaugh

that Kranish has something to do with the Kerry campaign.

[zaj]

11. I might be... I'm not seeing any contrary evidence...

Everything I see says that he's an author of a Kerry/Edwards campaign book.

Even this link credits him as the author.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=106s05p9zZ&isbn=1586483145&itm=1

It's weird.

I'm just trying to build my rebuttles for the wingers... and I have almost nothing to go on at this point.

I hate that feeling...

[Feanorcurufinwe]

12. LOL

"I just might be a tool of the right" --- keep mulling that question over, lol.

[zaj]

15. huh?

I'm out scouting for a rebuttle... not trying to re-enforce lies.

Ya may not know me, but feel free to trust me on that one.

;)

[Demoiselle]

16. Kranish has already published a book ABOUT Kerry...

...a biography of the Senator, a few years ago. As a biographer of the Senator, friendly or unfriendly, he would be ideally suited to be asking questions of people who have something "new" to say about Kerry's past. Kranish is also a Boston Globe reporter. Even if he's written one book about Kerry and is coming out with a new one that lays out and/or dissects the Kerry/Edwards agenda, how does this automatically make his account of the (FIRST) Elliot recant phony? God knows people write hostile/balanced/neutral books about political figures all the time, doesn't mean they stop being honest reporters.

[zaj]

18. It doesn't automatically make it "phoney" at all, but...

It certainly provides ammuntion that I'm looking to debunk. I think we've reached the end of the road on the Kranish links to Kerry. I don't think we can really provide any more proof of objectivity. It's good to know that he wasn't the author of the official campaign book (and therefore paid by Kerry).

Now we just need to get Elliot on TV to address his signatures. And his quotes.

I want to know what his story is, for real.

The whole thing is weird, no doubt.

[A_Possum]

19. This doesn't help your proof, but...

Rest assured that Amazon makes frequent mistakes in attributing books to authors. I'm a published novelist, and once they had me showing as the author on a book I'd never heard of, one of those Armageddon things, ugh. I finally tracked it down as written and self-published by some guy who wrote a bunch of the awful tomes, but how the heck my name ever got on it I have no clue. Probably a slip of the data entry keys somewhere.

I agree that at this point, all the "accusers" should be put on TV and made to tell their lies to the faces of the accused. Rassman has been trying, but frankly, they ought to have Kerry there too, saying, just what do you mean, you remember this and I don't?

[John_H]

17. Lol! Did the dentist give you too much laughing gas during the last

tooth extraction? Is it not clear that drudge and limbaugh are lying, as per usual?

[Democat]

20. You have been given links and you continue to repeat right wing lies

It seems almost like you are more interested in arguing for the right wing and bashing Kerry than accepting the truth.

Is that possible?

[zaj]

22. that's like Hannity saying Dean "advanced the theory" about Bush and 9/11.

Technically, the words are accurate... "I "continue to repeat the RW lies", but that's not even remotely the point.

We still haven't learned the "truth" yet.

I have no doubt that Kerry earned his awards... but I am eager to get this whole thing vetted fully and quickly. And turn this whole thing back on their heads.

Asking for the details doesn't equate to being "more interest in arguing for the right wing".

Oh, and read my post #18.

[toledoteamster]

21. I agree zaj...

All my buddies are throwing conflict of interest arguments at me. Every site I look at about the book lists him as the author. I'm trying to get my ducks in a row as well on this issue and I'm not having a lot of luck :(

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[ConsAreLiars]

23. The delusional old fool

was not the one who recommended Kerry for a Silver Star, and the killing of that Vietnamese freedom fighter was not the reason he was awarded the medal. Where does this shit come form. Oh, never mind, I know.