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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 06:58 PM
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Dubya's ANG app: '( )I DO (x)DO NOT volunteer for overseas'(May1968)
Ian Williams, UN correspondent for the Nation, has a new book out called "Deserter: Bush's War on Military Families, Veterans, and His Past". He points out that Dubya has been dressed in military garb for more photo-ops than any recent world leader save Fidel Castro and Saddam Hussein.

This passage in an online excerpt caught my eye with something I'd never heard before. It led me to google for the document reproduced below, and to share it with DUers who may not have seen it before or who had forgotten about it. It's especially relevant in light of the 'Swift Boat' ad controversy:

From http://www.theprescotian.co.uk/williamsplug2.htm :

"Of the many military bases, Fort Hood is the president's favorite, more so since it is conveniently close to his dude ranch in Crawford, Texas. It is also the biggest base in the United States, home to over 40,000 troops. ... There were not as many waiting to greet him at Easter 2003 as on his New Year visit: By then half the 40,000 troops normally housed at the base were in Iraq ... early in 2004, thirty-five of them were never coming back -- all but one of them killed after the President had made his "formalization that tells everybody we're not engaged in combat anymore," the previous May.

(T)here are deeply personal reasons why George Bush has wrapped himself in quasi-uniform, which he wears with the same grin of a six-year-old presented with a cowboy suit for Christmas. From one way of looking at it, all over the world, men and women are now dying and being maimed because George W. Bush had lived through "the war of his generation," without hearing a shot fired in anger. "Little Googen," as his indulgent parents called him, has been trying to emulate his genuinely heroic father -- without actually risking his life. Bush's Freudian self-delusion is apparent in Bob Woodward's friendly account, "Bush at War." In the days after September 11, Bush tells Rove, "just like my father's generation was called in World War II, now our generation is being called ... I'm here for a reason."

Bush the Elder, however, was a genuine war hero who left school at 18 and used his family connections to become the youngest pilot in the Navy. But when the government was drafting his contemporaries and sending them to Vietnam, his son joined the Air National Guard in Texas, and TICKED THE BOX SAYING "NO" TO OVERSEAS SERVICE: a choice denied most of his contemporaries then, who did not have the Ivy League connections to enter such units. (More importantly, such choices are denied now to the National Guardsmen who were not only called up for service in Iraq, but have found their terms extended while they were out in the desert.)"

Some googling found the actual document. Look at the third set of check boxes, under "Area Assignment Preferences". THIS BELONGS IN A SATURATION AD, in light of the ridiculous amount of media attention being given to absurd questions about John Kerry's well-documented heroism.


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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 07:02 PM
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1. Good work
What a hero our President is (not) :eyes:
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 09:25 PM
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5. 700,000 in the Guard and Reserve today, at risk of being sent to Iraq,
would be fascinated to learn about the check box Dubya chose. THEY sure didn't have that choice when they signed up.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 07:04 PM
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2. What a great find!
Thanks for sharing. Very, very interesting.

Peace
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The empressof all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 07:16 PM
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3. LITTLE GOOGEN
OMFG--that is precious! I will never be able to look at him again without calling him that to myself.
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 09:55 AM
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9. Or 'Junior Googen, the Cowardly Pilot!' Sounds like a cartoon character
Picture him in various situations, wearing an oversize leather aviator jacket. It's supposed to be waist-length, but it hangs down to mid calf on Junior Googen, and the sleeves are a foot too long.

Did you notice the "Flying Status Agreement (Officers Only)" section, immediately preceding the key section where Dubya checked off cowardice on the form?

It says, "If I am selected for recall in a non-flying capacity, I hereby voluntarily request permanent suspension from flying status ( )YES (x)NO".

In other words, Dubya did not simply want to get out of being drafted and sent to Vietnam. He INSISTED that hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars had to be spent teaching him to fly "like Daddy", even though he REFUSED to fly in combat. What a waste of resources! What arrogance and what a sense of entitlement!
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The empressof all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 11:30 AM
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16. I picture him as......
I see him as one of those black eyed babies with the big heads. He has a frilly cap on with a bow under his chin. Caption: Goo Goo Googen with the Googly eyes.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 07:16 PM
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4. PRESENT CIVILIAN OCCUPATION: "Not employed" SLACKER!!!!
Platinum spoon!
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 10:44 PM
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6. Actually, the slacker years had not quite yet started. In May 1968,
Dubya had just graduated from Yale. Here's a British account of just how Dubya got into "Air Canada", which was how his 1,000-man Guard unit was known at the time (for getting its privileged members out of Vietnam draft danger without having to flee to Canada). Dubya had just 12 days left on his student deferment when he signed this application:

From http://www.guardian.co.uk/US_election_race/Story/0,2763,202917,00.html

'Wednesday September 29, 1999

Ben Barnes, a former speaker of the Texas state legislature, said that in 1968 he asked the head of the Texan Air National Guard, General James Rose, to give the young Mr Bush a place on a pilot-training programme, automatically excusing him from the draft. In his deposition, Mr Barnes said he had been asked to intervene by a Bush family friend, Sid Adger, but he did not know whether George Bush Sr, then a congressman, knew about the request. ...

Mr Bush won a pilot's slot in the National Guard in front of thousands of others, despite scoring only 25% in his aptitude test: the lowest acceptable grade. HE WAS SWORN IN ON THE DAY HE APPLIED.

In his statement, Mr Barnes said that one of Mr Bush's advisors, Dan Evans, came to see him last year to discuss the issue. Mr Bush later sent a note saying: "Thank you for your candour and for killing the rumour about you and dad ever discussing my status. Like you, he never remembered any conversation. I appreciate your help."'
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 12:31 AM
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7. Oh, yes. He's a coward.
But he's also dumb and evil. Your document, damning as it is, doesn't mention that.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 07:43 AM
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8. kick
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 10:26 AM
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10. Link for document?
Does anyone have the link for this document?
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 10:46 AM
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12. NPR has it posted HERE
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 10:58 AM
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14. Thank you so much!
I will pass it around!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 10:27 AM
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11. Thanks. Just posted about this. BUY THE BOOK.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 10:57 AM
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13. We should send this to National Review
See Touchdown's post about their contention that the Chimp volunteered to go to Vietnam:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x601007
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 11:01 AM
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15. This would make a GREAT full page ad in National Review....
Think we could slip it by?

:)
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 11:33 AM
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17. Compare that to Kerry,
Edited on Sun Aug-08-04 11:35 AM by elperromagico
who specifically requested to be sent to Vietnam.

John Kerry said, "Send me." George W. Bush said, "Ehh... I'd rather not go if it's all right with you."
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 11:43 AM
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18. In fact there is a quote of the Chimp saying he didn't want to go
and that he didn't choose to shoot his foot off or something, hence he joined the guard.

Does anybody have that?
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 08:50 AM
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25. Here ya go
Like many young men of his generation, he <bush> wanted to avoid Vietnam. He told one reporter, "I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with a shotgun in order to get a deferment. Nor was I willing to go to Canada. So I chose to better myself by learning how to fly airplanes."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4114162/
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 11:54 AM
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19. Lots of people tried to avoid Viet Nam in the 60's
The wealthy have always been able to negotiate themselves out of serving in Nam. George was just doing what many others did. He's just average. To me, it doesn't matter that he didn't serve the way we all think he should have. He's just like many guys I knew from the 60's who opted to do anything other than go to Nam and get brought back in a body bag.

BUT...this is what makes Kerry so much more capable as a leader of the free world. He volunteered to go to Viet Nam under extreme circumstances to fight for his country. He returned and spoke out against the war under extreme circumstances. He's been under extreme scrutiny for 35 years in public life, making difficult, unpopular choices, continually putting himself on the front line to fight for what he believes in. He is not AVERAGE. He is EXCEPTIONAL. He is presidential material. We do not need an average, beer drinking buddy in the Whitehouse. We want someone who can take the heat. Kerry is that man. George is just average.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:52 PM
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20. I agree.
Kerry had connections almost as high up as Bush did. And Kerry's father actually opposed the war in Vietnam. So did Kerry, in fact - before he went. But he went out of a sense of duty. And he served honorably. That says something significant about the man.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 09:31 AM
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 10:04 AM
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23. "From what I have read"
What have you read? From your post, I'm guessing rightwing websites. Everything you posted is false.
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Ironpost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 08:43 AM
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24. I would say george* is your average drunk.
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 06:39 PM
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21. Kerry's contrasting Vietnam request document is HERE, on the campaign
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 08:54 AM
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26. What a reservist told me
He stated that its now an EXPECTATION for all reservist's and National guard troops, to go ACTIVE every 3 or 4 years.. Unbelievable..

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