Here is the audio of Hillary's conf. call today giving talking points to bloggers

[DesEtoiles]

The real problem with this - the bloggers are supposed to go out and pretend that these talking points are their own thoughts and ideas, when they did not come up with this on their own but are only PARROTING WHAT THE CAMPAIGN TELLS THEM TO SAY.

http://www.taylormarsh.com/audio.php?audio=http://www.taylormarsh.com/podcast/mp3/stream.2008-05-16.134204.mp3

[Colobo]

1. Pathetic.

[OnTheRadio]

51. yes we cayun? lol

[LowerManhattanite]

62. But you alas...

...no longer can. :)

[mcctatas]

2. Someone should call her campaign on this bullshit...

as for the bloggers, I think thier journalistic integrity has been thrown off the bus!

[greguganus]

3. Wonder if she made a conference call to attack DU. n/t

[Goodnevil]

4. 21st Century Propoganda

[Liquorice]

5. Nah, I've blogged in support of Hillary and have never received any

talking points. I do think it was nice of her to speak with the people who support her online and thank them for their work.

[DesEtoiles]

6. Hillary: "Michigan elections were certified and legal."

[Kittycat]

18. That's funny - because a judge threw it out.

[Tatiana]

30. DELUSIONAL... there's no other word for it.

The Hillary Clinton campaign suffered another setback Wednesday, albeit not a monumental one, when a federal judge in Detroit declared the law that set up the disputed Jan. 15 Michigan primary unconstitutional.

U.S. District Court Judge Nancy Edmunds threw out part of the law because it allowed only the Democratic and Republican parties in the state to receive voter information. The suit was filed by the American Civil Liberties Union on behalf of several other organizations, including local media.

The ruling has no bearing on whether the delegates who were awarded to Clinton based on her victory in the primary should be seated at the Democratic Convention. (As you recall, she was the only one on the ballot.)

But it does make the Clinton campaign's argument that the results are valid a bit less sustainable, even as Michigan has abandoned plans for a re-vote. In a best-case scenario, the judge could have ordered some kind of second vote because the first primary took place under the auspices of a flawed law.


That didn't happen. That doesn't mean, however, that the campaign doesn't deserve an A for effort for making the decision sound important. (Or at least a C for chutzpah.)

(more...)

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/judge_strikes_down_michigan_pr.html

[DesEtoiles]

7. it is sickening to listen to Hillary butter up and stroke the egos of these bloggers

so pathetic - they are being cynically used by her and she is taking advantage of them

[rodeodance]

20. I think Obama thanks his bloggers. Is that sickening?

[CoffeeCat]

25. Obama doesn't run a contrived...

...orchestrated, lie-based publicity effort to unleash a bunch of baloney
into the blogosphere--using people, buttering them up and then thanking them.

He does no such thing, and that is the point.

She's lying and then shamelessly flattering a contingent of bloggers into
dispersing these lies.

Which they happily do.

It's a bit shameful, don't you think?

[earth mom]

40. Aren't ALL of Obama's bloggers here on DU?

:puke:

They've been chugging that kool aid big time.

[movonne]

8. vote this up...must be on front page....

[CoffeeCat]

9. Hillary called caucuses "wonderful tradition" before she lost!

Directly quoted from her Web site:

"http://www.hillaryclinton.com/hq/iowa/caucus/

"I want to thank all of my supporters and everyone I have met
in Iowa over the past 11 months. I am in awe of your commitment to the WONDERFUL TRADITION OF THE CAUCUSES. Now they are here, and I hope that on January 3, you will stand up and be counted for me

She also has links on her site, offering to give ANYONE a ride to the caucuses, or to help out anyone who needs assistance or childcare the night of the caucus.

After losing the Iowa caucuses, Hillary attempts to throw the entire
process under the bus, and claim that the caucuses disenfranchise people.
She did everything in her power to get her supporters to the caucuses--offering childcare and rides.

In my state, her campaign purchased a ton of shovels--to help people get out of their homes if
it snowed a great deal.

She went to great lengths to make damn sure that her supporters participated in this "wonderful tradition"
and now she suggests that the process is unfair????

By her own words--Hillary is a liar. She used to be a big fan of this "wonderful tradition."

Before she lost. Then the caucuses were ripped to shreds.

[FrenchieCat]

10. She was just pandering......

and now she's using bloggers.

That's what I say about her; she a user.

[CoffeeCat]

16. Why do bloggers shill for this vampire?

I don't understand this at all.

Never, ever--has a candidate lied about and disparaged the caucuses like Hillary Clinton. She
lost, so she has to denigrate the entire process and all of the people in those states who worked
so hard to make the caucuses successful.

What about the people who volunteered and worked the caucuses for her ? She's willing to throw
her own people in those states, under the bus?

My state of Iowa has had caucuses for nearly 100 years. No other candidate has done this. NOT ONE.

Many candidates have won the Iowa caucuses, but even more have lost. Hillary Clinton is the only
one who lost and who decided to malign the entire process.

Caucuses do not disenfranchise people. We know about these processes months before they happen. Most
people are in and out in less than an hour. Caucus participation doubled this year--compared to 04--and
04 was a record-breaking year.

Clinton is such a liar, and unfortunately, she's got people who lack any sort of moral center, perpetuating
her lies.

It's really revolting. This Hill Shills are no different from that right-wing dolt that Chris Matthews
owned last night. These Hill bloggers don't know what in the hell they are talking about. They're
only repeating and spreading the lies that they are ordered to spread.

They don't know what they are talking about.

[democrattotheend]

21. Is the word "vampire" really necessary?

I agree that this is infuriating, but can we please, pretty please stay away from language that could be construed as sexist?

[CoffeeCat]

22. Please tell me you are kidding...

I'm failing to see how the word "vampire" is sexist.

[democrattotheend]

26. I'm not

I've been reading MyDD and TalkLeft, and a lot of people, women in particular, are really upset about all the hatred towards Clinton in the blogosphere and it's turned some of them off to Obama. These are the activists, people we want on our side in November. Vampire is unnecessary namecalling and it's pointless. I am pissed off as hell right now at Clinton for some of the things she said on the call, trying to delegitimatize Obama if he becomes the nominee. But I don't see what namecalling accomplishes.

[CoffeeCat]

31. Your point is taken...

...and I do agree that in a perfect world, I would not call her a vampire.

However, I'm just so ticked off right now. She's a complete manipulative liar. She is lying.
She's shameless. I'm listening to this conference call, and it's so pitiful and disgusting.

I'm at the point where I don't really care about anyone who still believes in her, because anyone
who does, believes in a shameless, manipulative, game-playing liar. I don't know what to say to people like
that or how to identify with them.

I have no common ground with anyone who can hear her lies, and be willing to perpetuate those lies.

I guess that's my issue to resolve...or not.

[catgirl]

42. I think of Dracula and Bela Lagosi

They are both male, but it does seem like any word used these days would
be construed as sexist. :-)

[jsmirman]

14. Oh, well done! I guess she hated "the wonderful tradition of the caucusus"

she was in awe of people's commitment to them and she sees them as a "wonderful tradition," but she hates them, nonetheless.




LIAR


:rofl:

[Tatiana]

19. Whoa! What a find! n/t

[AtomicKitten]

11. McLaughlin obligingly presented Hillary's power-point presentation tonight.

I smell a wingnut/Clinton symbiosis that is truly creepy.

[Stephanie]

46. The actual PowerPoint - the one about how she's winning in the "Tough States"?

That one was bizarre.

[AtomicKitten]

61. It's gone from bizarre to demented in a matter of weeks.

What part of * SHE LOST * don't people understand? They keep trying to frame and reframe what a win looks like. Oy.

[chill_wind]

12. K & R.

Especially since this one got locked.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6003215#top

[SoxFan]

24. Ah, yes, Hillary's favorite mod

[K Gardner]

29. Unbelievable.

[DesEtoiles]

41. WHY was this thread locked??????

[KAZ]

58. That's what I'd like to know.

[mystieus]

13. I guess the only argument left to her campaign is that caucuses are unfair.

Hope she gets slammed on this because that line of thinking undermines the entire process. Even if they were unfair what does she want done? Have new primaries in all these states? Fat Chance. Ignore their delegations? Not going to happen. All she is doing is watering the seeds of resentment that will undermine the near term goal of party unification. It is clear that Obama will be the nominee. By giving her supporters some reason not to support him, and by telling them that the DNC and the media are stealing this election, she is harming the democrats chances in November.

[ProSense]

15. Anyone listening to this need more to understand why Hillary relates to Mark Penn?

She's claiming a lead in the popular vote and still challenging Obama to a debate.

[Occam Bandage]

17. And yet the propaganda-parroters get mad if we call them Hillbots.

[Tatiana]

23. JESUS CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm so stunned. I listened to this and... shit, I have no words.

No, wait, I have one: INSANE! She's freaking insane!

"He won't debate me anymore!"

"There's every reason to believe we will continue to win the popular vote."

[HCE SuiGeneris]

27. She has no shame, and no integrity in her methods.

:puke: "I personally did not think it made any difference whether my name was on the ballot. You know, It's clear this election they are having is not going to count for anything."

[sfam]

28. I love how Hillary is so emphatic that she is the strongest candidate in November...

Its just not held up by the facts, but she's completely emphatic about it. And it really is hard to take her seriously when she does the "I lead the popular vote" thing when this includes Michigan. It is pure folly on her part.

[DesEtoiles]

39. that is for US to decide, not her

[TexasObserver]

32. Hillary is consumed in her delusion, and cannot separate from it.

People sometimes get themselves so consumed by a goal, they connect dots that are not there. She's doing that. She's lost, but she continues playing at being president because she cannot handle the truth.

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[DesEtoiles]

34. listen to her sell that snake oil. disgusting.

[Diane R]

35. Please take the time to listen to this...it's quite alarming.

I wonder if this is why she is not getting support from Superdelegates? I wonder if her fellow legislators understand that she is truly looney-tunes?

[anonymous171]

36. Hillary: Failing at Grassroot and Netroot activism since day one.

[Stephanie]

49. She just doesn't get it. Tone deaf.

[JMDEM]

37. This is bullshit, man

Vote it up to the front page so everyone sees it.

[donheld]

38. K & R

[catgirl]

43. OMG she's complaining about debates!

She's is such a liar (winning the popular votes). And complaining about the democratic
party. The SDs have to stop worrying about her feelings and come out to put an end to
this farce.

[Stephanie]

52. Claims she's winning the popular vote by 50,000.

Where's she pulling that number from?

[earth mom]

44. You are all DELUSIONAL on this thread!

I don't support either candidate but I didn't hear Hillary say anything out of line.

But she did say two things that are probably pissing you Obama nuts off:

1) That Hillary is leading in the popular vote.

2) That it's not the math, but the map that matters because Obama won the states that are states that will eventually go to McCain in November.

Truth hurts ya'll. :shrug:

p.s. Why haven't you all posted an audio of Obama speaking to his bloggers? Don't want to let us all know what he's telling you to say, hmm? :eyes:

[catgirl]

45. 44-1

Who's delusional? She's trying to paint things in another color. To claim insults were thrown
at women in general? She should speak for herself, not for all women.

[earth mom]

54. People hate Hillary because she's a woman. You know that.

Misogyny is real and it's here on DU too, you should know that too.

[catgirl]

57. What a ridiculous statement

The reality is, she lost, and it's time to rally behind the winner- who never
displayed any misogynistic behavior towards Hillary.

[earth mom]

59. No what's ridiculous is that you choose to ignore the hatred here.

As I said before, I don't support either candidate, but I do see the hatred here for Hillary BECAUSE she's a woman.

Be in denial though. Whatever.

[catgirl]

63. I've seen a lot of hatred here from a lot of people

And there are a lot of trolls on this site pretending to be supporters of
Obama's and Hillary's. Who's in denial? Not me. I can see clearly that
the trolls are trying very hard to get people upset. I just don't play
into their hands.

I'm surprised that you aren't leaning towards a candidate yet. After all,
there are the only two dems left, unless you count Gravel. ????

[quiet.american]

60. By your logic, every woman here at DU is now also a misogynist.

Because there are also women here who cannot stand the way Clinton has run her campaign.

I'll tell you why this woman is disgusted with her -- the consistent and brazen disingenuousness that permeates her every move. The sheer, bold-faced dishonesty in her approach towards almost everything she says about her opponent. And finally, the constant, constant whining by her campaign and so many of her supporters that she's being given a rough time because of the fact that she's a woman; her complete refusal to take responsibility for the gates of hell she unleashed upon herself when she deliberately lowered the tone of her campaign with her now infamous 'Angry Bumblebee' routine "... the skies will open, the sun will pour down...".... when she did that.... that was the beginning of the end of any respect I had for her. Not so much because of what she said, but because she deliberately chose to brush off Democratic voters who at that point were in of support Obama as though those voters would never be needed by her own campaign to help her win in November should she have become the nominee. The arrogance of her choice in that moment was breathtaking. And I've had more than my fill of sheer arrogance being the defining characteristic of the person that holds the office of POTUS.

[JackORoses]

64. you are full of shit. It is obvious you are a Hillarite. Why pretend?

[Vinca]

47. All I've got to say about Hillary is I wish she'd give the little kid

back his $400. He might want another bike someday.

[Stephanie]

48. This is kind of amazing!

Her tone is so bitter. She's calling him "Barack." Says, "He refuses to debate me, anymore." She's angry. "Who is our stronger candidate against John McCain in the fall?"

[OnTheRadio]

50. This is what, the 4th time you've posted this nonsense?

[Stephanie]

53. She now thanks them on behalf of women in general.

She's "impervious" to the "insults."

[zulchzulu]

55. My assessment...

The case is (according to HRC):

- "We've got to win"
- "He refused to debate me anymore"
- "Popular vote we are ahead" - this is a lie
- "Totally devoted that Michigan and Florida count" - even though she stated Michigan doesn't count
- "Big win in West Virginia" - if the US had that demographic, we would be in deep shit

All in all, being $20 million in the hole, looking for free TV coverage and about to get trounced in Oregon, the HRC campaign is looking at their last weekend together...

Let's move on to beat McCain.

[OnTheRadio]

56. YES WE CAYUN!!! ajajaj