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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 08:21 AM
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* Should have disavowed the Swiftboat smear
The only reason I believe they want to go so negative is to drive down turnout...

I really think the media play of this make Bush look vindictive and bad... a really nasty piece of Rovian work.

Can you say backlash?
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 08:24 AM
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1. Bush is in serious trouble..


I try not to get my hopes up, or be overly optomistic, but I do think George is tanking. If he doesn't turn things around pretty fast, he's going to lose.

I don't think people are going to buy into any last minute "miracle" either.
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Zeke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 09:16 AM
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10. McLaighlin Group....
Two weeks ago,just after the DNC convention, McLaughlin asked what kind of bounce Kerry would get.

McLaughlin agreed with the last guy: Kerry's numbers will steadily increase.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 08:26 AM
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2. Sure can.
But hell, as lame and offensive as it is, it is pretty much all they have. Not that they have anything of substance, mind you? What are they gonna do, run on their sterling economic record, or their peerless record of governmental ethics? ;-)

It is a telling point that if you scratch a frother, they start going on, at nauseating length, about Michael Moore, in a manner that rivals the old theological debates about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, and whether saints defecate. Talmudic scholars worry a point less.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 08:28 AM
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3. I have noticed that... push them and it's Michael Moore this
and Moore that...

Ummmm we were talking about Kerry here...
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 08:37 AM
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6. It is all part...
Of the same continuum of lies, distortions and obfuscations. Illustrative of a larger tactic.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 08:30 AM
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4. Think about the smear from an election tactic too--
If * came out and disavowed the story then he looks good, but yet the story is still out.

They blew a chance. Instead, Bush looks like the petty little creep he is.
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mhollis Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 08:37 AM
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5. These are surrogates
If you look at the last four years, Shrub has never disavowed any statement by his surrogates. If he did, he'd be disavowing 75% of what Rush Limbaugh says over the air and 90% of what Hannity claims. He has always been willing to let others fight the "dirty fight" for him.

Media Bias Alert

This last weekend (Sunday) we aired his non-disavowal again in an attempt to suggest that there might be friction between Shrub and McCain. We also aired a previous debate between the two of them (2000) where McCain tells Shrub that he ought to be ashamed of himself. Shrub's immediate response was, "No..."

Our coverage Sunday was borderline fair, we had an actual statement of position by Kerry and a preview of the Shrub-McCain stump this week. One big difference is that we didn't have that female ninny reporting on Kerry (the one of the "rooms full of luggage" report). I think that luggage may come back to haunt her, as at least one Executive Producer has realized that her report was grossly unfair and uninformative.

But back to Shrub...

He was raised in a privilaged household which is not bad in and of itself, but Daddy was always a fixer. Mommy was just plain mean. So every time Shrub got himself into trouble, Daddy would make it all right, Mommy would go on the attack against anything or anyone that might hurt her son. The end result is a man who will not take responsibility for his own actions and will never admit to making a single mistake.

Talk about a screwed up childhood.

In a debate format, the opposing candidate ought to consider that when posing questions for Shrub.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 08:39 AM
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7. One of the big things that struck me in 'Fortunate Son' apart
from the obvious stuff was how his family reacted to his sister's death...

This is one funked up family...
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 08:40 AM
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8. What I don't understand:
Why is the party of privilaged folken taken on a privilaged white man for being privilaged, just like them?

Does anyone else notice something of a severe reality disconnect here?
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nodictators Donating Member (977 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 09:15 AM
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9. It's just a Big Lie. Reality is irrelevant.
Hitler explained the Big Lie in Mein Kampf. People don't have to understand it. It doesn't have to make sense.

The constant repetition of a Big Lie makes people believe there must be some truth to it because the lie is repeated so often.

Our TV networks use Hitler's propaganda methods against the American people regularly. Examples: Whitewater and Iraq's WMD.

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